PETA Reportedly Steals and Kills a Family Dog

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**streamdragon**

d-usa wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Without the article actually talking about how the animal was "stolen" it seems like it could be a fairly routine "pick up a stray, put it down because shelters are not nice" kind of situation.

This op-ed is not even trying to be an article.

How does taking the family's pet from their front porch constitute "pick up a stray"?

Is the porch enclosed or open? Did the dog have a collar and a tag?

We have cats, rabbits, and even a dog or two on our porch sometimes. All of them were strays and did not belong to us.

Given that they came back later (before the news story came out) with a "we killed your dog, here's a fruit basket", it's pretty easy to say that they knew exactly what they were doing.

**Asherian Command**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
I don't understand how a private entity, specifically a charitable organisation, has the right to remove property through assumptions and trespass. It just boggles the mind that people would be OK with that. Feth the officials for being so spineless as to not pursue the case.

They do not have that right. They should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law

Life would be better without PETA, if it was disbanded I don't think anyone would complain.

**LordofHats**

Asherian Command wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
I don't understand how a private entity, specifically a charitable organisation, has the right to remove property through assumptions and trespass. It just boggles the mind that people would be OK with that. Feth the officials for being so spineless as to not pursue the case.

They do not have that right. They should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law

Life would be better without PETA, if it was disbanded I don't think anyone would complain.

Many Animal Rights activists would actually celebrate, as pretty much all non-PETA animal rights groups now consider PETA a complete detriment to their movement, both because they make a mockery of it, and because they suck up millions of dollars in donations every year (mostly spent on killing animals and large amounts of nonsense).

**Asherian Command**

LordofHats wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
I don't understand how a private entity, specifically a charitable organisation, has the right to remove property through assumptions and trespass. It just boggles the mind that people would be OK with that. Feth the officials for being so spineless as to not pursue the case.

They do not have that right. They should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law

Life would be better without PETA, if it was disbanded I don't think anyone would complain.

Many Animal Rights activists would actually celebrate, as pretty much all non-PETA animal rights groups now consider PETA a complete detriment to their movement, both because they make a mockery of it, and because they suck up millions of dollars in donations every year (mostly spent on killing animals and large amounts of nonsense).

Yeah. Thats why I yelled at my school board a few years ago for supporting peta. Which they continued to support much to the protest of hundreds of former high school students.

**streamdragon**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Because it's ideology at play here, along with a bit of laziness.

Precisely. I do not see how killing animals fills PETA ideology.

You do realize that PETA kills more animals each year than many shelters, right?

They have killed 33,000 animals since 1998. This is from their own records. Their kill rate is in the upper 90s for animals they "collect".

PETA is an example of a horrible group with fantastic PR. Who wants to argue against a group devoted to helping animals?

**Ouze**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, I am pretty sure this article does not present the whole picture.

This. I read this story elsewhere and it's fishy as hell. Why did PETA take that dog (allegedly)? Why did they come back in 3 hours? Why was there a fruit basket? Why did the prosecutor decline charges despite video evidence which would be a slam-dunk conviction?

I mean, I don't dispute PETA sucks and can't dispute they kill very nearly any animal they "rescue", but I'm not going to let the fact I dislike them mean this story isn't flaky as hell.

There's another part of this story that has not been reported.

**Asherian Command**

Ouze wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, I am pretty sure this article does not present the whole picture.

This. I read this story elsewhere and it's fishy as hell. Why did PETA take that dog (allegedly)? Why did they come back in 3 hours? Why was there a fruit basket? Why did the prosecutor decline charges despite video evidence which would be a slam-dunk conviction?

I mean, I don't dispute PETA sucks and can't dispute they kill very nearly any animal they "rescue", but I'm not going to let the fact I dislike them mean this story isn't flaky as hell.

There's another part of this story that has not been reported.

I don't disagree. But I mean with the evidence presented that is all the evidence we have right now.

**Rainbow Dash**

PETA is to animal rights as what tumblr is to feminism

**Asherian Command**

Rainbow Dash wrote:
PETA is to animal rights as what tumblr is to feminism

Well it could also be what twitter is to feminism as well.

There are some crazy people who identify as a 'feminist'

Just like how PETA is basically as much for animal rights is to being given a thoughtful memorial to being burned alived.

**Rainbow Dash**

Asherian Command wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
PETA is to animal rights as what tumblr is to feminism

Well it could also be what twitter is to feminism as well.

There are some crazy people who identify as a 'feminist'

Just like how PETA is basically as much for animal rights is to being given a thoughtful memorial to being burned alived.

Most of the feminist insanity I see comes from tumblr.
I've never actually gotten to talk to one of these man hating crazies, cause I got a few questions for them...
What about transgenders (specifically men who want to be women and vice versa) how about gender fluid people.
And etc.

**LordofHats**

Ouze wrote:
Why did PETA take that dog (allegedly)?

Because they're crazy.

Why did they come back in 3 hours?

Original source says 3 days, not 3 hours. Also because they're crazy.

Why was there a fruit basket?

You know what I'm going to say.

Why did the prosecutor decline charges despite video evidence which would be a slam-dunk conviction?

Because he knows the first rule of crazy is that you don't feth with crazy (and that the media circus probably wasn't going to be worth it).

Granted, I get what you mean. But really, I see zero reason to doubt the story as true, especially with PETA seemingly being utterly silent on the matter which is odd for a group that has a long storied tradition of stealing animals from just about anywhere that they considered bad for animals (which as far as I can tell is everywhere) and bragging about it in public (while telling the FBI they don't advocate violence or violations of the law). Barring evidence to the contrary, I see zero reason not to take the story as true on its face.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

streamdragon wrote:
Who wants to argue against a group devoted to helping animals?

Tons of people, actually. As a vegetarian, I should know. Except pets. Defending pets is quite different.

Rainbow Dash wrote:
PETA is to animal rights as what tumblr is to feminism

And this makes me double careful about PETA's view being misrepresented on Dakka, actually.

**Asherian Command**

Rainbow Dash wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
PETA is to animal rights as what tumblr is to feminism

Well it could also be what twitter is to feminism as well.

There are some crazy people who identify as a 'feminist'

Just like how PETA is basically as much for animal rights is to being given a thoughtful memorial to being burned alived.

Most of the feminist insanity I see comes from tumblr.
I've never actually gotten to talk to one of these man hating crazies, cause I got a few questions for them...
What about transgenders (specifically men who want to be women and vice versa) how about gender fluid people.
And etc.

I have it wasn't pretty. They stick their head up their arse. when ever I bring up those points, they then accuse me of hating women or simply as a misogynist., and then all my followers on tumblr basically say. "UHhh. What? He's not a Misgoynist, you are a Misandrist missy."

But the most interesting bit is that some really active men haters are actually men. Which I found fascinating. I would love to do a research project on sometime, and research to see if there is a reason for it. Then I could point at someone like McIntosh and know exactly what is his problem.

Meanwhile, PETA is the political equalivent to Westboro Church Baptists. No one wants to associate with them. It is kind of baffling, as the two are so bloody similar.

And this makes me double careful about PETA's view being misrepresented on Dakka, actually.

Go and look up femitheism. You might find an interesting read Hybrid. That started originally on tumblr. Heres what it means. It is basically a feminist theory/ideology that believes in the eradication of men, because women are completely superior.

But that topic is completely offtopic so I will discontinue it.

**LordofHats**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

And this makes me double careful about PETA's view being misrepresented on Dakka, actually.

#4 is the only thing you should ever need to read to understand what PETA really cares about

The eco-terrorism group Animal Liberation Front took it upon themselves to free 10,000 minks from a fur farm in Sultan, Washington, back in 2003. On paper, this probably seemed like a no-brainer -- who would be against preventing a bunch of adorable furry animals from being euthanized and having their flayed corpses worn around by a Kardashian? But the reality is that the ALF dumped thousands of weasels, probably in their hundredth generation of domesticity, into the middle of an urban sprawl and then drove home to pat themselves on the back in between sips of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Tragically, the area hadn't yet erected that year's mink net.

You see, the minks had absolutely no idea how to function outside of the farm. For example, hundreds of them were run over by cars within the first few hours of their release. Every meal they'd ever had up to that point had been delivered to them via a motorized cart, so they'd come to associate deliciousness with the sound of an approaching internal combustion engine and bounded gaily into traffic expecting Mink Treats.

The ones that weren't blasted into spreadable meat paste all over the road descended upon the town of Sultan to murder the gak out of pets and livestock like the swarm of angry weasels they were. A local man was forced to pick up his shotgun and personally kick 20 right off the damn planet after they attacked him and his dog and tore through his property, killing his ducks, chickens, and fish (he apparently owned a small zoo).

An adorable, delicious zoo.

The bloodbath didn't stop once the minks were rounded up, either. Minks are rodent-size balls of violence, and will literally kill and eat any living thing they can, including other minks. The only thing safe from a mink's hungry wrath are members of its own family, so on the fur farm, they can be kept in cages with their litter-mates in relative harmony. But minks don't have name tags or distinguishing tribal tattoos. After they were recollected, the fur farmers had no way to tell them apart, and thus had no choice but to randomly dump them in cages together and hope for the best. Unsurprisingly, this resulted in no small amount of mink cannibalism.

As far as acts of selfless activism, the release of the minks is essentially the same as kidnapping a bunch of home-schooled kids, dropping them off at an inner city high school in Baltimore, and then never speaking to them again.

PETA is an organization that cares a lot more about 'fighting for animals' than it does about animals. A lot of their policies and lobbying efforts are completely counter productive, and more destructive than helpful.

*For clarity, ALF is an organization that is almost solely funded by PETA and some of its top ranking members. EDIT: Incidents like the above are part of why PETA moved to eliminate its grassroots origins and become a more centralized national organization, which coincidentally only exacerbated their problems rather than fixed them.

**Rainbow Dash**

Asherian Command wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Rainbow Dash wrote:
PETA is to animal rights as what tumblr is to feminism

Well it could also be what twitter is to feminism as well.

There are some crazy people who identify as a 'feminist'

Just like how PETA is basically as much for animal rights is to being given a thoughtful memorial to being burned alived.

Most of the feminist insanity I see comes from tumblr.
I've never actually gotten to talk to one of these man hating crazies, cause I got a few questions for them...
What about transgenders (specifically men who want to be women and vice versa) how about gender fluid people.
And etc.

I have it wasn't pretty. They stick their head up their arse. when ever I bring up those points, they then accuse me of hating women or simply as a misogynist., and then all my followers on tumblr basically say. "UHhh. What? He's not a Misgoynist, you are a Misandrist missy."

But the most interesting bit is that some really active men haters are actually men. Which I found fascinating. I would love to do a research project on sometime, and research to see if there is a reason for it. Then I could point at someone like McIntosh and know exactly what is his problem.

Meanwhile, PETA is the political equalivent to Westboro Church Baptists. No one wants to associate with them. It is kind of baffling, as the two are so bloody similar.

And this makes me double careful about PETA's view being misrepresented on Dakka, actually.

Go and look up femitheism. You might find an interesting read Hybrid. That started originally on tumblr. Heres what it means. It is basically a feminist theory/ideology that believes in the eradication of men, because women are completely superior.

But that topic is completely offtopic so I will discontinue it.

Classic example...these women want to be able to wear whatever they want and not be judged - fair enough, I agree
when a man does it (despite doing something monumental for science) they throw a bitch fit.
Tumblr, and the internet in general has turned feminism into a walking joke...

PETA was always a joke, a scary, unfunny joke.
Like Apple or Games Workshop

**Medium of Death**

Being readily obtuse about PETA and their disgusting actions is just baffling. It's that kind of idiocy that's allowed them to proliferate so well around the world as a reasonable charitable organisation.

The feminism comparison is cute and all but can we actually have a thread without it, please?

**Ahtman**

If PETA hadn't convinced a few celebs that they weren't flying rodent gak crazy we'd probably hardly ever hear about them.

**squidhills**

If I get videotaped stealing a PETA member from in front of their office and return days later with a fruit basket after euthanizing them, does this mean the prosecutor won't charge me with murder?

**whembly**

squidhills wrote:
If I get videotaped stealing a PETA member from in front of their office and return days later with a fruit basket after euthanizing them, does this mean the prosecutor won't charge me with murder?

LOGIC! Begone my brother!

**Avatar 720**

squidhills wrote:
If I get videotaped stealing a PETA member from in front of their office and return days later with a fruit basket after euthanizing them, does this mean the prosecutor won't charge me with murder?

Depends on how good your lawyers are.

**Asherian Command**

whembly wrote:
squidhills wrote:
If I get videotaped stealing a PETA member from in front of their office and return days later with a fruit basket after euthanizing them, does this mean the prosecutor won't charge me with murder?

LOGIC! Begone my brother!

XD

Well. I wouldn't be surprised. By their logic it would be freeing the poor thing of its restrictions.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

LordofHats wrote:
#4 is the only thing you should ever need to read to understand what PETA really cares about

This is them screwing up. Not them purposefully killing or harming animals.
I am not surprised they can screw up big time. But OP does not speak about a screw up.

**streamdragon**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
#4 is the only thing you should ever need to read to understand what PETA really cares about

This is them screwing up. Not them purposefully killing or harming animals.
I am not surprised they can screw up big time. But OP does not speak about a screw up.

Their own records show that they euthanize nearly 98% of the animals they "rescue". What part of that doesn't show to you that they kill animals, purposefully, all the time?

**Ensis Ferrae**

Laughing Man wrote:
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Barring animal cruelty laws, pretty sure it falls under destruction of property. As mentioned in the article however, seems the prosecutor is unwilling to take the case.

IIRC, there's plenty of places in the US where, unless you're a vet, you can't kill your own pets. (as in, family dog bit kid, I'm going to take it out back and put a .45 into it's brain for an instant kill)

I had a friend who did exactly that, and, for a short period of time, was looking at some serious charges.

**PhantomViper**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Not them purposefully killing or harming animals.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html

A mother cat and her two kittens, all perfectly healthy and adoptable and none in danger of being killed until they were given to PETA by a veterinarian who was trying to find them homes and was told by PETA employees that they would have no problem adopting them out. After PETA lied to him and the mother and her kittens were entrusted to their care, they reportedly killed them, within minutes, in the back of a van.

Despite $35,000,000 in annual revenues and millions of "animal-loving" members, PETA does not even try to find them homes. PETA has no adoption hours, does no adoption promotion, has no adoption floor, but is registered with the State of Virginia as a "humane society" or "animal shelter."

According to inspection reports by the Virginia Department of Agriculture, the PETA facility "does not contain sufficient animal enclosures to routinely house the number of animals annually reported as taken into custody... The shelter is not accessible to the public, promoted, or engaged in efforts to facilitate the adoption of animals taken into custody."

Routine inspections often found "no animals to be housed in the facility" or, at best "few animals in custody," despite thousands of them impounded by PETA annually. Since they take in thousands per year, where were they? "90% [of the animals] were euthanized within the first 24 hours of custody," according to the Virginia Department of Agriculture inspector.

**LordofHats**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

This is them screwing up. Not them purposefully killing or harming animals.

That's more than a screw up. That's neglect of basic reality. If you grab a bunch of Minks, and just release them in the streets, chaos is going to ensue. Ignorance of reality isn't an excuse. Hell you'd think they'd take them and euthanize them all or take them to a secret shelter here they could frolic and live as notfurcoatminks, but no. They just dumped them in the street. That might not be purposeful, but it's pretty god damn brain dead.

I can get behind no cruelty to animals. I like my steak, but I can get behind it. PETA doesn't stand up for animals though. PETA stands up for standing up for something (and give us your money). There are far better organizations that do what PETA pretends to do and isn't anywhere near as crazy or stupid as PETA.

**Bishop F Gantry**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Okay, I am pretty sure this article does not present the whole picture.

Yes its a far to low number of pets being abducted and "humanely euthanized" for it to be Peta.

**Kilkrazy**

streamdragon wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
#4 is the only thing you should ever need to read to understand what PETA really cares about

This is them screwing up. Not them purposefully killing or harming animals.
I am not surprised they can screw up big time. But OP does not speak about a screw up.

Their own records show that they euthanize nearly 98% of the animals they "rescue". What part of that doesn't show to you that they kill animals, purposefully, all the time?

Many dog rescues have to put down a lot of their dogs because the ones that aren't taken on by new owners can't be sustained for ever as there is limited space.

I'm not saying that excuses PETA, but your point does not condemn them.

**Ahtman**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Many dog rescues have to put down a lot of their dogs because the ones that aren't taken on by new owners can't be sustained for ever as there is limited space.

I'm not saying that excuses PETA, but your point does not condemn them.

PETA pays people to protest animal shelters that euthanize animals while simultaneously doing the same thing. There is a disconnect somewhere.

**lord_blackfang**

Different topic, same debate, same people on the side of evidence, same people on the side of wishful thinking and willful ignorance. You've gotten stale, OT.