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So both the Dark Angels and Imperial Fists have huge warp capable "space stations", how do they compare up against each other and who would win in a fight?
Assuming only the Dark Angels and the Imperial Fists show up for the fight.
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The Phalanx is almost a craftworld, I'd vote for it.
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Phalanx is a daot wonder.
The rock is a moon with engines.
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id got for the rock, its bigger than the phalanx (assuming the phalanx is ramilles size or slightly larger) it also has shields that withstood the planet exploding, so I can imagine the phalanx could breach them, add the larger amount of terminators and dark age/heresy tech the angels have, im siding with them.
How well do planetary shields fare against exterminates weaponry?
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"Why? It is as I have already said, We knew from the beginning we could not stand, But it did not matter, 'Iron Within, Iron Without'. We made them pay".
Realistically speaking, I think the Phalanx would win as it a pinnacle of technology and I am biased towards yellow space Marines. The Rock is cool though, and I think the Lion is trapped in it/stored in it right?
And god emperor forgive me but...
Truly realistically speaking, I wasted my life and yours doing this but, the Rock's story must be told. I had to come back to this post and tell what cannot be unseen.
As you can see below, the Rock fights off singlehandledly against Chaos inhabited Spacehulks while defending Cadia, destroying the Rock and the Phalanx with his "guns," and sheds a single manly tear for his bro, the Emprah in his final moments of battle. The painting below was originally captured by Great Crusade rembrancers. It took twelve of them, as they kept dying from the awesome. It truly was amazing.
Formosa wrote: id got for the rock, its bigger than the phalanx (assuming the phalanx is ramilles size or slightly larger) it also has shields that withstood the planet exploding, so I can imagine the phalanx could breach them, add the larger amount of terminators and dark age/heresy tech the angels have, im siding with them.
I think it is too close to call in many ways. The Phallanx is a far more useful and high tech item, but the Rock is very durable itself.
As far as whatever fight might happen, the Phallanx has the Imperial Fist, who are every bit as capable as the Dark Angels ever were and actually have a much more impressive tally of Great Crusade accolades.
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Formosa wrote: id got for the rock, its bigger than the phalanx (assuming the phalanx is ramilles size or slightly larger) it also has shields that withstood the planet exploding, so I can imagine the phalanx could breach them, add the larger amount of terminators and dark age/heresy tech the angels have, im siding with them.
I think it is too close to call in many ways. The Phallanx is a far more useful and high tech item, but the Rock is very durable itself.
As far as whatever fight might happen, the Phallanx has the Imperial Fist, who are every bit as capable as the Dark Angels ever were and actually have a much more impressive tally of Great Crusade accolades.
Really? I thought the fluff stated that the dark angels were second only to the sons of horus in terms of conquests, been a while since I read all that and it may have been retconned.
I do know the angels have a hell of a lot more ancient tech hanging around than the fists.
The biggest issue would be in that both forces are portrayed as immovable rocks, both focussing on firepower, it would be a hell of a bloodbath
Following the destruction of Caliban, the Dark Angels made The Rock their new home. Never was there a gloomier site, for although the Warp Storm that scoured Caliban could not penetrate the fortress-monastery of Aldurukh's shields, they left an indelible mark. The force field over the fortress-monastery held, but was rent with cracks. To this day, there exists a disturbance within the field's protective shell, as if part of that tempest still rages within. Great chain-lightnings arc across the artificial atmosphere that surrounds the craggy Rock, briefly outlining the ruins that crown the asteroid.
The Dark Angels explored the halls and dungeons that they found beneath the fortress-monastery. There, they claimed the hoard of machinery that had sat untouched since the little-understood Age of Technology. Many of the devices from that apex period of human invention still worked, like the great shield generator itself, although their mechanisms were now unfathomable. Although the extant halls were large, a massive labour carved out deeper and deeper catacombs beneath the asteroid's bedrock, excavating room for an entire Space Marine Legion. With the aid of the Tech-priests of Mars, docks were added, allowing for the entrance of spacecraft. Although it took centuries to complete, The Rock was also outfitted with Warp-Drive engines, allowing the Dark Angels' new headquarters to travel across the galaxy through the tides of the Immaterium. While the artisans did marvellous work, crafting halls full of clustered columns rising to arched vaults, and much decorated ceremonial crypts to hold the I Legion's sacred relics, it was a grim place, full of echoes and cold stone.
Although only a fraction of what was once Caliban, The Rock is larger than even the heaviest class of starship, and it bears formidable firepower. The sheer sides of its mass are studded with gun turrets, Lance batteries, torpedo tubes, observation blisters and communications relays. Its cavernous docking bays can accomodate many hundreds of smaller craft -- including Thunderhawk gunships, Nephilim Jetfighters and even Escort frigates. Atop The Rock rises Angelicasta -- the Tower of Angels -- the ruined ancient fortress-monastery of The Order within which the Lion once fought the Arch-Betrayer. Even to this day, the tower remains undisturbed and eerily silent, protected by the same gravitic force fields that shielded it during the destruction of Caliban. None know what secrets lie forgotten within its dark halls, for even the Dark Angels themselves dare not set foot upon its hallowed ground, and never shall, until the Lion walks amongst them once more.
The Rock also defeated a large Eldar fleet so surely it's got firepower to match the Phalanx. I think it's a case of unstoppable force meets immovable object. There's no way to objectively say which one would win with what we have from the fluff. I'm biased towards the DA though.
And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
I think an ad hoc asteroid base with DAoT tech stapled to it versus a craft built entirely using DAoT technology which is likely equal size is a tough fight to call, but I will take the item built with the express purpose of blowing things up by the most advanced humans ever to live!
PhillyT wrote: I think an ad hoc asteroid base with DAoT tech stapled to it versus a craft built entirely using DAoT technology which is likely equal size is a tough fight to call, but I will take the item built with the express purpose of blowing things up by the most advanced humans ever to live!
Does it have defenses to match its firepower though? Honestly, I don't know that much about the Phalanx but reading the wiki it does seem ridiculously powerful. There isn't that much mention of its defenses though. No mention of shields, just solid armour plating and internal defenses. Maybe I need to find more fluff.
From what I know though, I still think there isn't enough fluff available to call it for certain.
And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
Phalanx would have shields similar to The Rock though. It wouldn't really function without them and they are likely standard for something representative of the pinnacle of DAOT construction.
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PhillyT wrote: I think an ad hoc asteroid base with DAoT tech stapled to it versus a craft built entirely using DAoT technology which is likely equal size is a tough fight to call, but I will take the item built with the express purpose of blowing things up by the most advanced humans ever to live!
Does it have defenses to match its firepower though? Honestly, I don't know that much about the Phalanx but reading the wiki it does seem ridiculously powerful. There isn't that much mention of its defenses though. No mention of shields, just solid armour plating and internal defenses. Maybe I need to find more fluff.
From what I know though, I still think there isn't enough fluff available to call it for certain.
The Phalanx is the home of the Imperial Fists, those yellow marines KNOW FOR DEFENSE. The Fists like nothing more than turning fortresses into impregnable bastions, do you really think that their home base wouldnt have incredibly rediculous defensive capabilities?
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PhillyT wrote: I think an ad hoc asteroid base with DAoT tech stapled to it versus a craft built entirely using DAoT technology which is likely equal size is a tough fight to call, but I will take the item built with the express purpose of blowing things up by the most advanced humans ever to live!
Does it have defenses to match its firepower though? Honestly, I don't know that much about the Phalanx but reading the wiki it does seem ridiculously powerful. There isn't that much mention of its defenses though. No mention of shields, just solid armour plating and internal defenses. Maybe I need to find more fluff.
From what I know though, I still think there isn't enough fluff available to call it for certain.
The Phalanx is the home of the Imperial Fists, those yellow marines KNOW FOR DEFENSE. The Fists like nothing more than turning fortresses into impregnable bastions, do you really think that their home base wouldnt have incredibly rediculous defensive capabilities?
also home to the Primarch who specialized in building fortress's the size of continents, and was one chosen when there was need to fortify Terra. building defenses which turned a planet into the most fortified location in the universe.
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ChazSexington wrote: The Rock and the Lion have almost the same surname? Coincidence? I think not!
The Rock appears in the Angels of Death codex, which was published in 1996. Dwayne Johnson only took this ring name in 1997. Was he inspired by 40K?! HAHAHA
The Narkos Dynasty - 15k
Iron Hands - 12k 
The Shadewatch - 3k 
Cadmus Outriders - 4k 
Alpha Legion Raiders - 3k 
Crimson Fist- 9,000+
30K Imperial Fists- 2100 
