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(Not sure if this should go here or in off-topic)

So, quick explanation:
Before pro Starcraft II player Kas was going to play against his opponent Maddelisk in a qualifying match for tournament “Fragbite Masters”, he tweeted “Going to rape some girl soon. #fragbitemasters”. The organizers of tournament decided that Kas would be disqualified as a result. Maddelisk had a discussion with Kas, who deleted the comment, apologized and accepted the disqualification. Maddelisk accepted the apology and both her and her opponent seemed on the same page. Everything could have stopped with this conclusion that would have been the best possible for the incident… if gamer culture was not so full of fething idiotic waste of life. Because immediately people that are most certainly not linked to GamerGate in any way started to harass Maddelisk for, well, they do not really know. Yes, the tournament organizers decided to exclude Kas without Maddelisk having said anything. No, the angry hordes of idiots did not decide to harass them, and instead directly went for Maddelisk.
And that includes other pro player NightEnDD and Snovski.
You can read her account of the situation here:
http://esport.aftonbladet.se/team/maddelisk/drama-never-seems-end
and an article on this:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pro-starcraft-ii-player-booted-from-tournament-aft/1100-6423795/

Conclusion:
Kas seems like a genuinely nice person that just did not realize how he was influenced by some very toxic aspect of gamer culture.
Maddelisk seems like a very nice person who completely understand why Kas wrote what he wrote and acknowledge having done something similar before.
Fragbite Masters staff seems like nice person that cares about setting up a better atmosphere in pro gaming.
NightEnDD seems like a fething idiot that should mind his own gak or die trying.
If gamers are not dead yet, I hope they do soon.
Inb4 “Actually it is about ethics in tournament organization”?

It's disgusting, and I think all competitive online gamers (including MOBA players) should feel ashamed of themselves.

Also I'm not sure why you mentioned GamerGate, as it isn't mentioned in either of the two articles you linked. Is it possible you are projecting a bad event onto a group you dislike?

*hands Hybrid a new whetstone*

Keep it sharp!

'Pro' gamers acting like assclowns, this isn't news, as fething idiotic as the whole thing is. Guys with this much public facing should know better.

Also, inb4 lock for bs arguments about feminism ensue.

Crude sexual comments and/or references aren't exactly new to the gaming community. Teabagging, for instance. Nor is that limited to the gaming community. Calling people Teabaggers, for instance.

He still should have known better.

And, sadly, the response to the actions by the tournament organizers is the same kind of action that you'd expect among the members of any competitive crowd. Remember the response to the actions taken against Joe Patterno just a few years ago? Same vein, and possibly even greater levels of vitriol.

We see this every time regardless of the group involved.

And regardless of the medium. I've known TV writers to get death threats for killing off a character. Greater Internet fethkwad theory. It's a reality.



But no, no. Let's let the OP try and turn this into another bout of mah soggy knees, or how a collectivist hive mind of "gamers" need to be stopped.

To be fair, Kas is from eastern-Europe (maybe Russia even?) They don't tend to be that forward thinking on that side...

VorpalBunny74 wrote:Also I'm not sure why you mentioned GamerGate, as it isn't mentioned in either of the two articles you linked. Is it possible you are projecting a bad event onto a group you dislike?

To be fair, given the context ... a bunch of gamers being offended not at the initial offence, but by something being done against it, thus trivialising rape in favour of the sanctity of their game - and likely regarding the action taken by the organisers as the work of some "feminist agenda" ... shotgun principle, I'd say. It's the same mindset; I don't see how someone could protest the disqualification and not support the gamergate movement, provided they know it exists.

On the other hand, this would still just mean a potential overlap with a very disorganised and splintered movement. Also, I don't really see why this would warrant its own thread - doesn't this sort of stuff (sadly) happen every other week or so? A discussion about attitudes amongst the various gamer subgroups might be more appropriate. But then again, I guess we know that wouldn't really lead anywhere except to another locked thread.

Keep spinning that narrative! Maybe one day it'll come true.

Slightly strange to complain about people being horrible to someone while wishing death upon said people...

Given the context of the statement, it is in no way unacceptable. That he was disqualified was an absolute sham and the organisers should be disgusted with themselves.

 Krellnus wrote:
Given the context of the statement, it is in no way unacceptable. That he was disqualified was an absolute sham and the organisers should be disgusted with themselves.

Really? Saying you are going to rape someone is never acceptable (and in some countries is considered illegal behaviour). Most tournaments have a code of conduct and I would imagine this would be against it. Evidently the organisers considered his behaviour unacceptable and consequently removed him from the event. I fully support their choice and would have made the same decision in their place.

 Lynata wrote:
To be fair, given the context ... a bunch of gamers being offended not at the initial offence, but by something being done against it, thus trivialising rape in favour of the sanctity of their game - and likely regarding the action taken by the organisers as the work of some "feminist agenda" ... shotgun principle, I'd say. It's the same mindset; I don't see how someone could protest the disqualification and not support the gamergate movement, provided they know it exists.

On the other hand, this would still just mean a potential overlap with a very disorganised and splintered movement. Also, I don't really see why this would warrant its own thread - doesn't this sort of stuff (sadly) happen every other week or so? A discussion about attitudes amongst the various gamer subgroups might be more appropriate. But then again, I guess we know that wouldn't really lead anywhere except to another locked thread.

Thanks for the polite response. I can't agree with the equivalence, though, I just don't see HOW any overlap between the two groups could be anything but coincidental. Hybrid twisted himself into knots trying to do it.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Given the context of the statement, it is in no way unacceptable. That he was disqualified was an absolute sham and the organisers should be disgusted with themselves.

Really? Saying you are going to rape someone is never acceptable (and in some countries is considered illegal behaviour). Most tournaments have a code of conduct and I would imagine this would be against it. Evidently the organisers considered his behaviour unacceptable and consequently removed him from the event. I fully support their choice and would have made the same decision in their place.

It was clearly a taunt and a boast, nothing more nothing less, if you cannot see that then I really don't know what to say.

Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.

tl;dr
Proplayer does something dumb, and its handled in a reasonable way.
Other proplayer decides since it involves the internet it requires the mandatory level of drama.
Same proplayer wants attention.

For a moment I thought Stephano was back. I honestly didn't expect something like this from Kas. Shame. Although NightEnd is known for his outbursts and general bad manner.

 Melissia wrote:
Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.

As opposed to saying that you're going to utterly wreck them or say they are going to get dunked?

 Krellnus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.

As opposed to saying that you're going to utterly wreck them or say they are going to get dunked?

If you can't see the difference between these things there is something very wrong with you.

 Krellnus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.

As opposed to saying that you're going to utterly wreck them or say they are going to get dunked?

Yes.

Hey, someone said something mean. Over the internet.

Let's freak out about it.

OR people suck it up and stop whining about text and/or gak people say.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Hey, someone said something mean. Over the internet.

Let's freak out about it.

OR people suck it up and stop whining about text and/or gak people say.

It was a pretty unprofessional thing to say though.
What happened to good sportsmanship?

 Frankenberry wrote:
[snip]

A professional sports player (working with the assumption that e-sports are to be respected at the same level as regular sports) threatens another professional sports player with rape. The second player, upon receiving this threat, reported it to the agency which runs the professional sport in question, and said agency put the first player on a ban for conduct that violated the policies its players must follow.

Then an unrelated third player has a hissy fit because he's mad that someone got punished for breaking the rules.


So... if anyone is "freaking out" about anything... it's the third player-- and you.

 Melissia wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
[snip]

A professional sports player (working with the assumption that e-sports are to be respected at the same level as regular sports) threatens another professional sports player with rape. The second player, upon receiving this threat, reported it to the agency which runs the professional sport in question, and said agency put the first player on a ban for conduct that violated the policies its players must follow.

Then an unrelated third player has a hissy fit because he's mad that someone got punished for breaking the rules.


So... if anyone is "freaking out" about anything... it's the third player-- and you.

Freaking out? Me? I posted a response on a forum, guess that's freaking out now. Right.

My point is that this is bs. Etiquette hasn't been apart of the internet scene since forever, it's fething lame that some 'institution' thinks they can enforce it now.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Etiquette hasn't been apart of the internet scene since forever, it's fething lame that some 'institution' thinks they can enforce it now.

If you don't want to follow the rules of the organizer of a tournament, don't join the tournament.

 Frankenberry wrote:
My point is that this is bs. Etiquette hasn't been apart of the internet scene since forever, it's fething lame that some 'institution' thinks they can enforce it now.

Then I guess the only appropriate thing for you to do is to say that you will rape the people that work for those institutions and eat their unborn babies?

 Frankenberry wrote:
, it's fething lame that some 'institution' thinks they can enforce it now.

Except they can. The player agreed to the rules of conduct in the tournament when they joined the tournament, and when the broke that conduct the tournament can enforce the contract as they see fit. If anything, they MUST do so otherwise the contact is null and void to all parties.

Frankenberry wrote:My point is that this is bs. Etiquette hasn't been apart of the internet scene since forever, it's fething lame that some 'institution' thinks they can enforce it now.

It's only bs to people who are unable to restrain themselves.

There is etiquette for normal human interaction, and it shouldn't matter where it happens. You shouldn't treat people like gak on the phone, or when you write them letters. Why should this be different on the web, exactly? Because lol anonymity? Is etiquette something that only matters if you can "enforce" it?

Sorry to hear that you think that way. "This is why we can't have nice things."

Luke_Prowler wrote:The player agreed to the rules of conduct in the tournament when they joined the tournament, and when the broke that conduct the tournament can enforce the contract as they see fit. If anything, they MUST do so otherwise the contact is null and void to all parties.

I don't think the rules of that tournament dealt with rape threats between players. It's probably just something along the lines of "we don't need the likes of him here". And it was the right thing to do, even if the guy was actually sorry rather than faking it. Signals matter.

The rules of the tournament include good sportsmanship, and that's anything but.

The TO almost invariably wants you to treat the participants with respect, and for organized sports where you get paid for playing, this is part of the contract.

 Frankenberry wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
[snip]

A professional sports player (working with the assumption that e-sports are to be respected at the same level as regular sports) threatens another professional sports player with rape. The second player, upon receiving this threat, reported it to the agency which runs the professional sport in question, and said agency put the first player on a ban for conduct that violated the policies its players must follow.

Then an unrelated third player has a hissy fit because he's mad that someone got punished for breaking the rules.


So... if anyone is "freaking out" about anything... it's the third player-- and you.

Freaking out? Me? I posted a response on a forum, guess that's freaking out now. Right.

My point is that this is bs. Etiquette hasn't been apart of the internet scene since forever, it's fething lame that some 'institution' thinks they can enforce it now.

This isn't some random spat on the internet; this is from a professional to his opponent. That does call for etiquette.
If we are to take Esports seriously, it must be treated as such.