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This is PROFESIONAL Starcraft II gaming. He violated the rules of his work place and was punished. He also associated sexual assault with the tournament in that tweet.

I don't understand how people are defending his tweet or a small groups response to he being disqualified. It seems pretty clear cut and he accepted his punishment.

People might not get it if they don't watch (very closely) competitive* e-sports, but unfortunately this is horribly necessary. Ignore the 'women and games' angle for a moment. Just set that aside.

E-Sports have a horrible problem with really gakky attitudes amongst its players. I'm not talking about your last LoL game where some troll told you you sucked, I'm talking about the pro players having horrible attitudes. You know how rappers have fake feuds with each other to boost their hype? Pro gamers have real feuds with each other (and all their fans) over the dumbest gak and it's been really, really toxic.

I still remember when St. Vicious was banned by Riot for trolling players in Solo que, and when another Pro player did basically this same thing (only to his own girlfriend) simply because his opponent picked Lee Sin for a pick up game. He got banned too (Riot has been really ban happy with pro players who take their gak off the competitive scene). Between games at a tournament, SoloMid nearly started a fist fight with fans of another team. The pro player team, nearly started a fist fight with fans.

These are people whose egos haven't just rampaged out of control but have been encouraged for years to run rampant. Its high time this started to get pulled back and for the events and the organizers to start pulling this gak show together, especially if they want to be taken seriously as a sport.

*I literally sat here spelling that word with an 'a' for five minutes. I knew there was no a in there, but I'm sitting here thinking "why the feth do I keep putting an A in here?"

 Melissia wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.

As opposed to saying that you're going to utterly wreck them or say they are going to get dunked?

Yes.

Nice double standard.

I been watching SC II for awhile and I am taken aback by this incident. SC II, IMO, is usually known as one of the more polite E-Sports. What they call BM (Bad Manners) usually pales in comparison to other games.


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Seriously...people on this thread don't understand the difference between a rape threat and Rekted? Come on.

 illuknisaa wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.

As opposed to saying that you're going to utterly wreck them or say they are going to get dunked?

Yes.

Nice double standard.

No. And if you're incapable of explaining why you think that's a double standard, it clearly isn't.

 Melissia wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.[1]

As opposed to saying that you're going to utterly wreck them or say they are going to get dunked?[2]

Yes.

Nice double standard.

No. And if you're incapable of explaining why you think that's a double standard, it clearly isn't.

1 and 2 are literally the same thing.

You say 1 is bad and 2 is not bad.

Double standard.

 Lynata wrote:

Luke_Prowler wrote:The player agreed to the rules of conduct in the tournament when they joined the tournament, and when the broke that conduct the tournament can enforce the contract as they see fit. If anything, they MUST do so otherwise the contact is null and void to all parties.

I don't think the rules of that tournament dealt with rape threats between players. It's probably just something along the lines of "we don't need the likes of him here". And it was the right thing to do, even if the guy was actually sorry rather than faking it. Signals matter.

The rules may not include rape threats specifically, but as Mel points out a general Good Sportsmanship clause would be included. If there wasn't, the Tournament might have still kicked him out but it would be harder to enforce, if at all.

@illuknisaa that's not a double standard. Two different insults or smack talk can have varying amounts of disrespect, and can follow the same standard with one just being acceptable and the other not.

Edit: For example: If I were to say "Your mother is a whore who feths three people at the same time" and "You smell bad", wouldn't you take the second as less seriously?

Take Esports seriously. Right. Done with this thread.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:


@illuknisaa that's not a double standard. Two different insults or smack talk can have varying amounts of disrespect, and can follow the same standard with one just being acceptable and the other not.

Edit: For example: If I were to say "Your mother is a whore who feths three people at the same time"[A] and "You smell bad"[B], wouldn't you take the second as less seriously?

Your example is bad. Where do you draw this connection between A and B because I don't see it. "I will rape" is in this context literally means "I will utterly defeat".

Some time ago in dota I said to my teammate that he will get raped in mid and replied "my anus is ready". What do you think I and he meant?

hint:

 illuknisaa wrote:

Your example is bad. Where do you draw this connection between A and B because I don't see it. "I will rape" is in this context literally means "I will utterly defeat".

That's not your call to make.

Your example is bad. Where do you draw this connection between A and B because I don't see it. "I will rape" is in this context literally means "I will utterly defeat".

Some time ago in dota I said to my teammate that he will get raped in mid and replied "my anus is ready". What do you think I and he meant?

Why does it mean that in that context, though? I don't see why it should be treated as a fun little slang word. "Rape" is not something that ought to be thrown around lightly. Really. It's not. I don't care how many times that twelve year old said it over your XBOX. It's something that the gaming community really ought to move away from slinging around as trash talk.

Would you say that you were about to rape an opponent in a 40k game? How about a tournament?

I do think it's cool that the situation was handled calmly and politely by Kas, Maddelisk, and the tourney people, though.

Yes. The main professionals (the two players involved and the officials) involved handled the results well.

And E-Sports is definitely a thing.

 AdeptSister wrote:
Yes. The main professionals (the two players involved and the officials) involved handled the results well.

And E-Sports is definitely a thing.

The pros are all handling it well, the question is if the gamers, here and around the web, will mess this up... The impression I am getting is we are doing better? I mean you still have the people defending toxic behavior, but it's at a lower ratio then you expect. So better then normal handling of this for now.

 illuknisaa wrote:
1 and 2 are literally the same thing.

You say 1 is bad and 2 is not bad.

Double standard.

Assertion number one is false.

 Soladrin wrote:
To be fair, Kas is from eastern-Europe (maybe Russia even?) They don't tend to be that forward thinking on that side...

No, he just used an expression that is quite common among gamers without thinking about it twice. When called on it, he did notice it was wrong and apologized. Kudos to him for doing that. The problem is more with all the players saying this is a good side of gamer culture that should definitely be kept, and I highly doubt all of those are from eastern Europe. Well, in this thread, Illuknisaa is, but unlike Russia, Finland is not exactly famous for being very "backward thinking on that side" .

 Lynata wrote:
I don't think the rules of that tournament dealt with rape threats between players. It's probably just something along the lines of "we don't need the likes of him here".

Official statement:
http://fragbite.se/masters/news/36185/kas-disqualified-from-fragbite-masters


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nomotog wrote:
The pros are all handling it well

Not NightEnDD.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

nomotog wrote:
The pros are all handling it well

Not NightEnDD.

Who are they?

nomotog wrote:Who are they?

A member of SK Gaming.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471681-kas-disqualified-from-fragbite-masters#10

Melissia wrote:The rules of the tournament include good sportsmanship, and that's anything but.

The TO almost invariably wants you to treat the participants with respect, and for organized sports where you get paid for playing, this is part of the contract.

Good point.

I still maintain that we shouldn't even need rules to treat each other like decent human beings, but I guess this thread demonstrates once more that "common" sense is subjective.

Riquende wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:

Your example is bad. Where do you draw this connection between A and B because I don't see it. "I will rape" is in this context literally means "I will utterly defeat".

That's not your call to make.

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Melissia wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:
1 and 2 are literally the same thing.

You say 1 is bad and 2 is not bad.

Double standard.

Assertion number one is false.

Melissia wrote:

And if you're incapable of explaining why you think that's a double standard, it clearly isn't.

I could understand this if it wasn't posted on the same day.

Spinner wrote:

Your example is bad. Where do you draw this connection between A and B because I don't see it. "I will rape" is in this context literally means "I will utterly defeat".

Some time ago in dota I said to my teammate that he will get raped in mid and replied "my anus is ready". What do you think I and he meant?

Why does it mean that in that context, though? I don't see why it should be treated as a fun little slang word. "Rape" is not something that ought to be thrown around lightly. Really. It's not. I don't care how many times that twelve year old said it over your XBOX. It's something that the gaming community really ought to move away from slinging around as trash talk.

Would you say that you were about to rape an opponent in a 40k game? How about a tournament?

I do think it's cool that the situation was handled calmly and politely by Kas, Maddelisk, and the tourney people, though.

It's like words and their meaning change.

"Would you say that you were about to rape an opponent in a 40k game? How about a tournament? "

Yes if I was confident that I would win and it's not againts tournament rules.

You made the assertion that the two are the same. You have yet to prove your assertion.

Prove it.

 Lynata wrote:

nomotog wrote:Who are they?

A member of SK Gaming.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471681-kas-disqualified-from-fragbite-masters#10

Oh. The other half of this often said bit. You have the defense of toxicity on one end and then the other end is this attack on people pointing out toxicity. I kind of dislike the silencing comments most.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
To be fair, Kas is from eastern-Europe (maybe Russia even?) They don't tend to be that forward thinking on that side...

No, he just used an expression that is quite common among gamers without thinking about it twice. When called on it, he did notice it was wrong and apologized. Kudos to him for doing that. The problem is more with all the players saying this is a good side of gamer culture that should definitely be kept, and I highly doubt all of those are from eastern Europe. Well, in this thread, Illuknisaa is, but unlike Russia, Finland is not exactly famous for being very "backward thinking on that side" .

 Lynata wrote:
I don't think the rules of that tournament dealt with rape threats between players. It's probably just something along the lines of "we don't need the likes of him here".

Official statement:
http://fragbite.se/masters/news/36185/kas-disqualified-from-fragbite-masters


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nomotog wrote:
The pros are all handling it well

Not NightEnDD.

I was talking about his fans, not Kas himself. Should have clarified that.

Also, I would also say the SC2 pro's are among the most polite in e-sports. The fans sadly are not. A single twitch stream from a tournament will teach you this. Dat chat.

Also, frankenberry, is there a reason you have to come into every thread related to E-sports to just say e-sports isn't a thing. Are you somehow threatened by video games becoming a sport?

It's like words and their meaning change.

I'm sorry, does "rape" no longer mean "sexual assault"? Like, at all? When did that happen?

And I'm not gonna lie, if someone's idea of tabletop banter involves "I'm gonna rape you", I'm not going to want to play against them.

 illuknisaa wrote:

Riquende wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:

Your example is bad. Where do you draw this connection between A and B because I don't see it. "I will rape" is in this context literally means "I will utterly defeat".

That's not your call to make.

...

Concession accepted.

Maybe you could agree that, even if that were the intended meaning, it's still an incredibly poorly chosen way of making that statement in any capacity, let alone a professional one?

 Spinner wrote:
And I'm not gonna lie, if someone's idea of tabletop banter involves "I'm gonna rape you", I'm not going to want to play against them.

Agreed.

"Would you say that you were about to rape an opponent in a 40k game? How about a tournament? "

Yes if I was confident that I would win and it's not againts tournament rules.

You're an ass hat, we get it.

Actually, I have gone to 40k tournaments where you would be disqualified for saying that. Many of them invoke a family-friendly environment where it is not intended to be hostile. And there is very little that is more hostile than rape threats.

The times ive heard someone say or write gonna rape you or similar is something I can count on two hands from 20 years of online multiplayer gaming. all of them from twelve year olds, well text is a bit harder to dechiper someones age.

Non gamers have called me way worse and wished fates upon me way worse than any gamer ever has called me. And ive heard just about everything out there.

 illuknisaa wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Taunting someone that you're going to rape them makes you a gakky person.

As opposed to saying that you're going to utterly wreck them or say they are going to get dunked?

Yes.

Nice double standard.

"Getting wrecked" (like a car) or "getting dunked" (like a basketball) is in no way, shape or form equal to "being assaulted in a sexual manner against your will and without your consent" (which is what "rape" means).

Meanwhile, I had someone say something to me along those lines as recently as Monday of this week, while playing league of legends.

Your personal experiences are fine and all, but scientific evidence has shown that women receive far more insults, negative attention, and general harassment while playing video games than men do, so don't discount the existence of the problem when you're not the target to begin with.

 Melissia wrote:
Meanwhile, I had someone say something to me along those lines as recently as Monday of this week, while playing league of legends.

Your personal experiences are fine and all, but scientific evidence has shown that women receive far more insults, negative attention, and general harassment while playing video games than men do, so don't discount the existence of the problem when you're not the target to begin with.

The most recent data I've seen actually suggests the opposite - men receive more online threats, harassment, etc... But the types of harassment directed at women tend to be more offensive.