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I always buy from my FLGS or Ebay, why pay full price if i dont have to?

 Jancoran wrote:
Dear Mister Exception to all the rules,
I dont care if you played games before GW. Most of those games WERENT truly wargames.
Wargames are not RPG's. RPG's are not war games.
Thank you.

You are forcing me to quote myself:

It was around 2nd edition (1993) that they began to be something of notice in my area (Rogue Trader released 1987), (40k Epic in 1988, 2nd ed. 1994).
It is Chainmail (TSR: 1971), D&D(TSR: 1974), Ogre (Steve Jackson Games: 1977), CarWars(Steve Jackson Games: 1982), Battletech(FASA: 1984), Paranoia (West End Games: 1984) and AD&D(TSR: 1989) they all definitely paved the way.

The underlined are tabletop miniature wargames.
Around that time were a horde of chit/card strategy games so the models made it more exciting and differentiated those games.
Please review the list for anything before the year 1987 (Rogue Trader release date) in the Wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miniature_wargames
I am glad you made these statements earlier because I had no idea how much was out there!

<edit> To stay on topic: with so many options out there, why would you need to buy from GW??

 Jancoran wrote:

 chromedog wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
oh the crusade continues. Yes lets UNIONIZE the fans of a plastic toy game in protest!

...

I got no problem...zero...with 3D printers, and EBay purchases and any other way you can make the hobby more accessible.

I just dislike the CONSTANT attack on GW itself as if all the players of the world should unite and smite them for making a product and selling it. Good lawd.

The copmpany practically made the hobby possible and even if ya find a cheaper way to play the game...which again I endorse... Can we quit the hate mail part of it already?

I'm sorry?

GW "made the hobby"? Sorry, going to have to call bull**** on that one. Although none of the gaming companies have quite mastered the art of wallet molestation that GW has.

I was a gamer BEFORE GW existed in the retail store market. Games stores existed before the GW retail model existed. GAMERS built the "hobby", not some faceless corp entity.
GW would be nothing without the hobby - the larger overall toy soldier tabletop wargaming hobby that their games FIT into, not apart from. They got their start by LICENSING OTHER PROPERTIES for publishing in the UK and Europe. Things like D&D, Paranoia, Call of Cthulhu. THIS is what enabled them to expand into other areas.

Dear Mister Exception to all the rules,

I dont care if you played games before GW. Most of those games WERENT truly wargames.

Wargames are not RPG's. RPG's are not war games.

Thank you.

Oh really? So 40k is a true wargame?

Yeah, right. 40k is closer to an RPG than any real wargame.

 Jancoran wrote:

 chromedog wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
oh the crusade continues. Yes lets UNIONIZE the fans of a plastic toy game in protest!

...

I got no problem...zero...with 3D printers, and EBay purchases and any other way you can make the hobby more accessible.

I just dislike the CONSTANT attack on GW itself as if all the players of the world should unite and smite them for making a product and selling it. Good lawd.

The copmpany practically made the hobby possible and even if ya find a cheaper way to play the game...which again I endorse... Can we quit the hate mail part of it already?

I'm sorry?

GW "made the hobby"? Sorry, going to have to call bull**** on that one. Although none of the gaming companies have quite mastered the art of wallet molestation that GW has.

I was a gamer BEFORE GW existed in the retail store market. Games stores existed before the GW retail model existed. GAMERS built the "hobby", not some faceless corp entity.
GW would be nothing without the hobby - the larger overall toy soldier tabletop wargaming hobby that their games FIT into, not apart from. They got their start by LICENSING OTHER PROPERTIES for publishing in the UK and Europe. Things like D&D, Paranoia, Call of Cthulhu. THIS is what enabled them to expand into other areas.

Dear Mister Exception to all the rules,

I dont care if you played games before GW. Most of those games WERENT truly wargames.

Wargames are not RPG's. RPG's are not war games.

Thank you.

Wow. That comment was as ignorant as it was rude.

I know this must be hard to understand, but believe it or not, wargaming existed LONG before GW did. In fact, companies like Avalon Hill, TSR, and FASA had just as much to do with paving the way for the current state of gaming as your precious GW did. (And i am forgetting more game manufacturers than i can even begin to remember).

What i don't understand is why you feel that because GW made the hobby, that players should somehow feel some sense of obligation to them, or at a minimum some level of reverence. I dont get this at all. Companies are not loyal to people, people should NEVER be loyal to a company. If GW could stay in business and not care about the products they release, they wouldn't, because caring costs money in the form of development. its just the facts of business.

I own all EOTech products on top of my carbine and hunting AR-15's. I LOVE EOTech products, until they start releasing products that i don't like, then i am going to move away from them. I'm loyal to the brand so long as they keep putting out good stuff, but at the point they cease to do so, or the products don't life up to my expectations, I'm out and wont look back.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Yeah, right. 40k is closer to an RPG than any real wargame.

Many of these GW 40k "problem" threads have touched on this.
I agree it does seem more an RPG with miniatures than an actual strategy game... forge the narrative and all that.
<edit> That is why I have so much fun with it making scenarios and playing them with my friends: it truly is great fun when applied in that manner.

I only buy things that they don't sell to retailers. That's because I live 20 minutes drive from Element Games and, therefore, the full range heavily discounted. I would be cutting my own throat to go to GW which is a similar distance and hope they have what I want (they often have gaps) and pay more.

Isengard wrote:
I only buy things that they don't sell to retailers. That's because I live 20 minutes drive from Element Games and, therefore, the full range heavily discounted. I would be cutting my own throat to go to GW which is a similar distance and hope they have what I want (they often have gaps) and pay more.

I thought Element Games was online only? This does change my view somewhat if they have a store....

WayneTheGame wrote:

Spoiler:

 Jancoran wrote:

 chromedog wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
oh the crusade continues. Yes lets UNIONIZE the fans of a plastic toy game in protest!

...

I got no problem...zero...with 3D printers, and EBay purchases and any other way you can make the hobby more accessible.

I just dislike the CONSTANT attack on GW itself as if all the players of the world should unite and smite them for making a product and selling it. Good lawd.

The copmpany practically made the hobby possible and even if ya find a cheaper way to play the game...which again I endorse... Can we quit the hate mail part of it already?

I'm sorry?

GW "made the hobby"? Sorry, going to have to call bull**** on that one. Although none of the gaming companies have quite mastered the art of wallet molestation that GW has.

I was a gamer BEFORE GW existed in the retail store market. Games stores existed before the GW retail model existed. GAMERS built the "hobby", not some faceless corp entity.
GW would be nothing without the hobby - the larger overall toy soldier tabletop wargaming hobby that their games FIT into, not apart from. They got their start by LICENSING OTHER PROPERTIES for publishing in the UK and Europe. Things like D&D, Paranoia, Call of Cthulhu. THIS is what enabled them to expand into other areas.

Dear Mister Exception to all the rules,

I dont care if you played games before GW. Most of those games WERENT truly wargames.

Wargames are not RPG's. RPG's are not war games.

Thank you.

Oh really? So 40k is a true wargame?
.

No!

40K is the one true wargame. Actually Wargame™.

It is also the truth, the light and the way.

#amidoingitright?

Havnt bought from them since the 80s MAYBE very early 90s. As soon as I found somewhere else cheaper, I bought there.

If I'm buying from GW it's because I can't get it cheaper somewhere else, so that means the things that sell out and/or things I cannot reliably get from 3rd party retailers (Stormclaw, the new box, the books that went with them).

Everything else is via 3rd party.

 Jancoran wrote:
The copmpany practically made the hobby possible...

That's probably the most amusing thing posted at Dakka in quite some time. Bravo!

I'm with HBMC.

However, on those cool box sets, every time, I end up getting my one preorder from GW, then buying 3 more copies from local FLGS at the discounted prices, lol.

You can still pick up stormclaw and space hulk from most of the local stores here, usually for less than the GW SRP.

That's the problem - I don't have any local stores. Searching for local stores brings up 2 results:

1. A hobby store that is a full-on modelling store (so planes, tanks, and trains) with basically no GW stock.
2. A great wargaming/card-gaming store with multiple tournaments, prize support and a huge range of products... that shut down several months ago.

FLGS simply aren't a "thing" in Oz. I did once have a GW up the road from me - literally less than a 5 min drive - but they shut down a few years back.