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Think I would be tempted to play in smaller scale, esp if they bring out a super star destroyer.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The shuttle isn't a pizza slice.

The production design aesthetic of the films is that the rebels are a rag tag and bobtail fleet that uses any ships they can get their hands on. The Imperials OTOH are an organised military force with a design bureau, shipyards, etc, turning out a developing series of ships with strong design similarities.

This is reflected in the evolution of the TIE fighter into Advanced TIE, TIE bomber, and so on.

The point about the shuttle just reflects my feelings about the whole thing. Before, imperial ships were just as varied and interesting as the rebel ships. I'm an old grognard who looks very positively on the x-wing/TIE fighter series and at the variety of ships in that game. In the new expanded universe though, EVERYTHING is a wedge for the imperials.

There were carrak light cruisers, system patrol craft, lancer frigates, loronar strike cruisers, drednaughts, and the list goes on.

I always saw the imperials as a massive bureaucracy with hundreds of subcontractors bidding on production of military equipment. They don't buy EVERYTHING from Kuat Drive yards.

Love the design, I really like the fact that they add designs to the game.
Yes the SW purist will not like it - as said above - but for me it is a nice addition.

And for me all big ships are just a nice optional addition in a fighter game.

What's the bet that this new ship makes an appearance in Episode 7? That's my theory, anyway. The trailer X-Wings were slightly different from the classic ones.

I doubt it'll turn up in Episode 7. However, it wouldn't surprise me if it shows its face in an episode of Star Wars: Rebels though.

Would be good in either...

 Padre wrote:
I personally quite like the look of this "new" ship - looks fast and aggressive to me, and indisputably follows the Imperial design aesthetic.

 Albertorius wrote:
This new ship will probably look more Imperial to all X-Wing players not too into EU stuff, too, which must be a big plus for FFG. IMO it looks kind of cool, although it also looks like the results of a TIE interceptor-Star Destroyer copulation...

I was wondering what the fuss about this "Lancer" thing was, so I looked it up...

To me it looks like something that might have been used as a toy or "aid" during the afore-mentioned copulation...you know, to help the Star Destroyer "get there"...

The Lancer originated in a West End Games sourcebook. WEG needed to fill out the setting for its Star Wars RPG. So the company took concept artwork that had been used during the making of the movies, and came up with names and roles out of whole cloth. The result was almost all of the early EU.

Looking at the box contents in the picture, it looks like you get 4 X1 titles and 4 Advanced Targeting Computers. So simply buying 1 ship will net you all the upgrades you need.

Is it just me or is the last card on the right (top row) possibly a crew card for Emperor Palpatine?

Yes, yes it is.

 bubber wrote:
Think I would be tempted to play in smaller scale, esp if they bring out a super star destroyer.

Then you should look at the smaller scale Star Wars game from FFG -- Star Wars Armada.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
The TIE X-1 Title looks pretty cool. Doing a quick bit of Math:

Tempest, Title, Enhanced Scopes- 18pt, same as a cheap interceptor. Trade off being less speed and power for more armour, a missile slot, and the ability to block PS1 ships.

Marek is 28pt, and Vader is 30pt, with Title and advanced Targeting computer, before other upgrades. I'd imagine that Predator would be a good choice, as it frees them up to spend actions on target locks (and Vader, with Autocrit, re-roll, and focus will be very reliable at getting 3 hits). They would then weigh in at 31 and 33 points respectively.

Hopefully, you will get at least two copies of the title in the box, or else I still don't see the advanced seeing much play.

Doesn't work like you think it does. It reduces the cost of the of the Sensor upgrade by 4 to a minimum of zero, it doesn't tack on a negative squad point cost. So a Tempest with Title and Scopes is still 21 points.

As to the last part, from the image it looks like you do get 4 copies of both the title and the Advanced Targeting Computer.

"I always saw the imperials as a massive bureaucracy with hundreds of subcontractors bidding on production of military equipment. They don't buy EVERYTHING from Kuat Drive yards."

But arguably the whole point of the empire as argued in books like the original Imperial Source book is that everything is replaceable and identical and strength comes from this. Uniformity not individuality is at the very core of the ethos of the Empire.

This looks much better to me than the lancer.

Makes me wonder if we'll get something akin to the Rebel Transport for the imperials? Some form of "stormtrooper transport" - maybe something like the gamma-class assault shuttle?

Alex C wrote:Looks like a Star destroyer banged a Tie Interceptor and this was the result.
Meh.

Wehrkind wrote:

a cross between a Star Destroyer and a single-pilot fighter

I feel they took that far too literally. The psuedo wing-lets on the side look really silly. They at least make sense on the little ships in terms of surface area for solar energy collection, but they add nothing to the big ship I feel. Especially since the forward parts of the ship and especially the prow look REALLY bare.

If the box didn't say "X-Wing" on the side my first impression of the miniature would've been that it was something from the OOP RL:Leviathan game or else something from ST:Voyager for Attack Wing.

But I think compared to the other game models, especially the Tantive IV, that while interesting in some respects it does seem a lot more bland than was probably intended.
Even more so when for that kind of $$$ players could add another half dozen fighters or a trio of medium ships to their collection if not another blockade runner.

It just doesn't say "Star Wars" to me when looking at it; maybe it needs some color bands/shading, more superstructure, or something.
Definitely too much wings though IMHO.

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 Smilodon_UP wrote:

Alex C wrote:Looks like a Star destroyer banged a Tie Interceptor and this was the result.
Meh.

Wehrkind wrote:

a cross between a Star Destroyer and a single-pilot fighter

I feel they took that far too literally. The psuedo wing-lets on the side look really silly. They at least make sense on the little ships in terms of surface area for solar energy collection, but they add nothing to the big ship I feel. Especially since the forward parts of the ship and especially the prow look REALLY bare.

If the box didn't say "X-Wing" on the side my first impression of the miniature would've been that it was something from the OOP RL:Leviathan game or else something from ST:Voyager for Attack Wing.

But I think compared to the other game models, especially the Tantive IV, that while interesting in some respects it does seem a lot more bland than was probably intended.
Even more so when for that kind of $$$ players could add another half dozen fighters or a trio of medium ships to their collection if not another blockade runner.

It just doesn't say "Star Wars" to me when looking at it; maybe it needs some color bands/shading, more superstructure, or something.
Definitely too much wings though IMHO.

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Opinions, as they say, normally cannot be wrong.

Except for ones like this. Anyone in who doesn't recognize the Imperial wedge shape hasn't been alive in the last 30 years. Let alone involved in any nerdy or nerd related hobbies.

Anyone who paid attention for 30 years would notice that this mini breaks the Imperial Wedge Rule: the larger the ship, the more acute the angle. The corollary is that smaller wedge ships should have more blunt angles to help give them a sense of scale. Also, fighter S-foils on a non-fighter look a bit silly.

Still, it could have been much worse.

No such rule. Interdictors at 600m are far more acute than the 1600m ISD. Prequel era star destroyers (Republic Venator class) are also more acute than the larger ISD.

A star destroyer and a tie fighter got together on a dark stormy night... LOL. Looks ridiculous and the fluff is dorky.

Greatest thing I've ever seen, will buy forty.

 plastictrees wrote:
Greatest thing I've ever seen, will buy forty.

Whoah!!!

Stormonu wrote:Makes me wonder if we'll get something akin to the Rebel Transport for the imperials? Some form of "stormtrooper transport" - maybe something like the gamma-class assault shuttle?

winterdyne wrote:Interdictors at 600m are far more acute than the 1600m ISD.

I think an Interdictor Cruiser (600m) or Nebulon-B frigate (300m) might not look too bad at all scaled down for the X-Wing game, and both definitely have iconic to Star Wars features.
For their in universe size & armament they might as well be anti-fighter/raider vessels anyways.

The expanded universe fluff/sources also mention that the frigate was in use by either side, which probably wouldn't be a big deal in a miniature based game if applied sparingly to new models.

I like the ship. There were other options but this one works and maintains the dagger shape of the large ships which is nice. Just got the majority of my ships after DGS got them in stock again and been having a blast playing, will be ordering one of these for sure. Hopefully can piggyback on my Armada shipment ; p

The Raider will be the first Huge Ship that I'm getting (preordered today!) Back in Wave #1, between my own purchasing and a gift from a buddy I ended up with 3 Tie Advanced... I can't wait to get my hands on this box. Hopefully it will be out around the time of my Birthday... in June.

I think an Interdictor Cruiser (600m) or Nebulon-B frigate (300m) might not look too bad at all scaled down for the X-Wing game, and both definitely have iconic to Star Wars features.
For their in universe size & armament they might as well be anti-fighter/raider vessels anyways.

Sizewise completly off the chart.

The three huge ships we have now are in the 100-150m range... and they are already at a different, smaller scale than the fighters and big ships.
As much as I want it, a Nebulon-B would present so many challenges to model. You are looking at something that would be about a foot tall on the table and would be incredibly top-heavy. It would double the width of the Tantive IV, if not quadruple and it lacks anything resembling a support structure. Beyond that... we would be looking at something at least $400 if not $600 to purchase.

I'd much rather spend that money modeling a 3D trench-run.

I like the design of the Raider. I don't get why people are making a fuss about the "winglets". Aren't those things not wings at all, even on TIE fighters? I thought they were supposed to be solar panels. I like the idea of a corvette-class Imperial ship that at least supplements its power with solar.

The Lancer, on the other hand, just doesn't look like anything. It's got no brand identity. Besides, it's EU, and EU is pretty ridiculous the whole way through. The EU gave us force-neutralizing tree lizards, lightsaber-proof crab armor, and dropping moons on Chewbacca. The sooner the whole thing is forgotton the better as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not into the X-Wing game, but this gets me more interested than the Tantive IV.

You are right, they are collectors that help reduce the drive-size.

EU has a lot of great stuff in it, but also some turds. The great stuff will become canon soomer or later.

The solar panels do a great job at making some interesting architecture for the eye to grab, and without them the Raider would be a pretty bland grey slug, like the Rebel Transport.

I just don't know if I like the panels on the underside, they really break up the sleek wedge lines of the ship, and kind of seem like they were just added to have more of "something" on the ship.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
The solar panels do a great job at making some interesting architecture for the eye to grab, and without them the Raider would be a pretty bland grey slug, like the Rebel Transport.
I just don't know if I like the panels on the underside, they really break up the sleek wedge lines of the ship, and kind of seem like they were just added to have more of "something" on the ship.

I think I have the same "problem" with this esthetic.
I think if the panel aligned with the other two but on the underside (rather than mounted in the middle) it would look balanced (possibly a nod to the Tie Defender design) and the split panel would allow the stand mount to fit.
I would have added a slight "trench" to the top middle surface along the whole length (stop just before that "step" the bridge is sitting on) to break up that expanse of the wedge, make it look all busy like the sides of the wedge on a star destroyer.
It would be like a racing stripe without it being that cheesy...

I think I am thinking of a "fuller" on a sword = cool (would make the ship lighter too...).