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2014/12/24 09:12:23
Subject: "Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
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2014/12/24 10:24:52
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Criminals? I think he means aussies!
2014/12/24 10:25:39
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
I'd rather have people steal my things than to have my future children die in a school shooting.
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
I'd rather have people steal my things than to have my future children die in a school shooting.
Dis gun be good...
(For what it's worth, I agree with you)
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2014/12/24 10:52:50
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
I'd rather have people steal my things than to have my future children die in a school shooting.
Does it now? A couple years back a friend of mine had an intruder on his property. Guy was going through his garage Took the police 25 minutes to get to the house. Would have taken the intruder about 5 seconds to walk from the garage to the front door had he intended to do something violent. (My friend owns about 15 fire arms. Would have ended badly for the other guy.)
At any rate, there were roughly 2000 victims of rape due to home invasions every year. About 3,000 victims of other forms of serious assault (Justice Department doesn't put murder numbers in home invasion stats for some reason). School shootings? Maybe about 10 a year? In a nation with about 100,000 schools. Seems one is at much greater risk for one of these issues then another.
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2014/12/24 10:54:10
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
I'd rather have people steal my things than to have my future children die in a school shooting.
Does it now? A couple years back a friend of mine had an intruder on his property. Guy was going through his garage Took the police 25 minutes to get to the house. Would have taken the intruder about 5 seconds to walk from the garage to the front door had he intended to do something violent.
At any rate, there were roughly 2000 victims of rape due to home invasions every year. About 3,000 victims of other forms of serious assault (Justice Department doesn't put murder numbers in home invasion stats for some reason). School shootings? Maybe about 10 a year? In a nation with about 100,000 schools. Seems one is at much greater risk for one of these issues then another.
I said COMPETENT police force, like we hvae in Sweden. I mean, in the US, cops shoot kids for carrying BB guns. I feel a LOT safer in my house.
Yes, lets ignore the context. Makes for a better headline.
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2014/12/24 11:00:42
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
I'd rather have people steal my things than to have my future children die in a school shooting.
Does it now? A couple years back a friend of mine had an intruder on his property. Guy was going through his garage Took the police 25 minutes to get to the house. Would have taken the intruder about 5 seconds to walk from the garage to the front door had he intended to do something violent.
At any rate, there were roughly 2000 victims of rape due to home invasions every year. About 3,000 victims of other forms of serious assault (Justice Department doesn't put murder numbers in home invasion stats for some reason). School shootings? Maybe about 10 a year? In a nation with about 100,000 schools. Seems one is at much greater risk for one of these issues then another.
I said COMPETENT police force, like we hvae in Sweden. I mean, in the US, cops shoot kids for carrying BB guns. I feel a LOT safer in my house.
You do? Swedish police would never bust into a house and kill you, then try to cover it up.
Oh look, I can white wash an entire nation by a single incident as well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well damn, the more I look into it, the more and more there seems to be a significant issue with the way Swedish police treat the minorities of their nation.
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2014/12/24 11:20:03
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
I'd rather have people steal my things than to have my future children die in a school shooting.
Does it now? A couple years back a friend of mine had an intruder on his property. Guy was going through his garage Took the police 25 minutes to get to the house. Would have taken the intruder about 5 seconds to walk from the garage to the front door had he intended to do something violent.
At any rate, there were roughly 2000 victims of rape due to home invasions every year. About 3,000 victims of other forms of serious assault (Justice Department doesn't put murder numbers in home invasion stats for some reason). School shootings? Maybe about 10 a year? In a nation with about 100,000 schools. Seems one is at much greater risk for one of these issues then another.
I said COMPETENT police force, like we hvae in Sweden. I mean, in the US, cops shoot kids for carrying BB guns. I feel a LOT safer in my house.
You do? Swedish police would never bust into a house and kill you, then try to cover it up.
Oh look, I can white wash an entire nation by a single incident as well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well damn, the more I look into it, the more and more there seems to be a significant issue with the way Swedish police treat the minorities of their nation.
Ugh, Guardian. Trust me, I was at Husby and they man was carrying a knife while holding his wife. Yeah, I'd shoot him instead of giving him a chance to murder her.
Oh wait you mean there are differing ways to interpret controversial scenarios?
You mean I shouldn't have just jumped right on the media hype train over the issue?
Maybe there is more to the story?
Man, maybe people should start slowing down, and looking at all the facts before throwing out inflammatory statements. Especially when it comes to attacking other nations and cultures.
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2014/12/24 11:24:35
Subject: "Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
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Agreed 100%
And Mr. Burning we may all be criminals because of our heritage, but we don't have guns, only our treasonous cousins across the water have guns everywhere, i think they are still preparing for a counter revolution.
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2014/12/24 14:32:28
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
djones520 wrote: Oh wait you mean there are differing ways to interpret controversial scenarios?
You mean I shouldn't have just jumped right on the media hype train over the issue?
Maybe there is more to the story?
Man, maybe people should start slowing down, and looking at all the facts before throwing out inflammatory statements.
One size fits all though
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2014/12/24 16:57:30
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote: I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Maybe it's a translation issue...
You'd feel safer as long as it was only the criminals who had guns?
Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
I'd rather have people steal my things than to have my future children die in a school shooting.
Does it now? A couple years back a friend of mine had an intruder on his property. Guy was going through his garage Took the police 25 minutes to get to the house. Would have taken the intruder about 5 seconds to walk from the garage to the front door had he intended to do something violent.
At any rate, there were roughly 2000 victims of rape due to home invasions every year. About 3,000 victims of other forms of serious assault (Justice Department doesn't put murder numbers in home invasion stats for some reason). School shootings? Maybe about 10 a year? In a nation with about 100,000 schools. Seems one is at much greater risk for one of these issues then another.
I said COMPETENT police force, like we hvae in Sweden. I mean, in the US, cops shoot kids for carrying BB guns. I feel a LOT safer in my house.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, the police here don't know how to use their magic crystal fortune-tellers to predict when and where every crime is going to happen so they can be on-scene and prevent it.
I don't think you realize just how big a place the USA is. We can't have a police officer on every corner because too much of our population is too dispersed for that to be even theoretically possible. There are huge swaths of America where the police can't meaningfully prevent crimes, only arrest the perpetrators. It didn't take the police 25 minutes to get to djone's house because they forgot which pedal made the car go forward. It took them 25 minutes because he probably lives like 30-40 minutes away from the nearest police station and the cops had to floor it to get there. You have unrealistic expectations if you think "well, if the cops would have just been a little bit smarter, they would have known to start heading out a little early". That's a laughable argument.
Plus, do you know how often someone gets shot for waving a BB gun around in the USA? It's not very often. Which, considering that there are 800,000 police officers scattered across 17,000 different police agencies, it's kind of absurd to construe a literal handful of cases as the "norm", no matter how much the media sensationalizes it to sell newspapers.
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2014/12/24 17:22:22
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
At any rate, there were roughly 2000 victims of rape due to home invasions every year. About 3,000 victims of other forms of serious assault (Justice Department doesn't put murder numbers in home invasion stats for some reason). School shootings? Maybe about 10 a year? In a nation with about 100,000 schools. Seems one is at much greater risk for one of these issues then another.
Out of how many homes? If you're going to use ratios, at least use ratios for both sides of the argument, not just for the one that you need to support your argument.
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2014/12/24 18:30:40
Subject: "Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
djones520 wrote: Oh wait you mean there are differing ways to interpret controversial scenarios?
You mean I shouldn't have just jumped right on the media hype train over the issue?
Maybe there is more to the story?
Man, maybe people should start slowing down, and looking at all the facts before throwing out inflammatory statements. Especially when it comes to attacking other nations and cultures.
He's not wrong about the US, though. Our police forces are in serious need of reform.
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2014/12/24 18:32:47
Subject: "Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
djones520 wrote: Oh wait you mean there are differing ways to interpret controversial scenarios?
You mean I shouldn't have just jumped right on the media hype train over the issue?
Maybe there is more to the story?
Man, maybe people should start slowing down, and looking at all the facts before throwing out inflammatory statements. Especially when it comes to attacking other nations and cultures.
He's not wrong about the US, though. Our police forces are in serious need of reform.
Yes, but the cases these people are getting worked up over are not examples of why. They're examples of the police doing their job and other people being monumentally stupid.
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Restraining a guy who is resisting arrest is part of the cops job. The only reasonable issue you could have with that situation is why that is a crime that mandates arrest and not just a citation.
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Didn't Garner already been ticketed and arrested quite a few times for selling "Loosie's"?
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2014/12/24 19:03:22
Subject: "Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Yes, it is. However, a police officer has the ability to decide whether or not to arrest someone for a misdemeanor crime. NYPD, specifically, has tried to speak out of both sides of its mouth on the topic of having legislature enacted to decriminalize certain acts. Perhaps most notably, the legalization of marijuana. Specifically, advising citizens to "get the law changed" if they wanted to decriminalize it, and then raising hell (or ignoring the fact that the law changed at all) when it was changed.
Further, who gives a gak if the guy was selling loose cigarettes? It's fethin' NYC. You cannot tell me the police don't have more important things to do.
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2014/12/24 19:11:25
Subject: "Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Yes, it is. However, a police officer has the ability to decide whether or not to arrest someone for a misdemeanor crime. NYPD, specifically, has tried to speak out of both sides of its mouth on the topic of having legislature enacted to decriminalize certain acts. Perhaps most notably, the legalization of marijuana. Specifically, advising citizens to "get the law changed" if they wanted to decriminalize it, and then raising hell (or ignoring the fact that the law changed at all) when it was changed.
Further, who gives a gak if the guy was selling loose cigarettes? It's fethin' NYC. You cannot tell me the police don't have more important things to do.
So, when store owners complain to the police that someone is selling "loosies" in their vicinity... the police should disregard them?
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2014/12/24 23:52:10
Subject: Re:"Stop Gun Violence" A PSA that is just stupid
Matthew wrote:I live in Sweden, so guns aren't a problem, but if I lived in the US, I'd feel safer if no one had guns except for criminals, instead of everyone having one.
Matthew wrote:Mhm. A competent police force protects me better than having a gun in every single house.
Not everyone in the US has a gun, and there are certainly not guns in every single house. You are buying into stereotypes and hyperbole.
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