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Skullhammer wrote: Or you follow taqiure (spl) which lets you lie to any non muslim to advance globel islam.
Not quite sure why a town in Slovenia has a particular brand of islam that is advanced by lies of its followers to non-muslims...
Maybe they were attracted by the village's traditional wood crafts? Or maybe they want to turn the neoclassical church from 1908 into a mosque?
But as funny as spelling errors are, I think we all know what the guy meant. Islam, much more so than any other religion is extremely violent towards non-believers. Traditional Islam is not compatible with European culture as it is fundamentally opposed to the ideals of Enlightenment. There are muslims that manage to integrate in European society very well and who are able to adapt their version of Islam to be compatible with European values, but many others do not succeed in this and cause a lot of problems.
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MoD: I think EU migrants are a mixed bag. Your worries about lower wage workers are well founded, but I don't think closing down immigration is the solution.
There are a lot of reasons why unskilled work is difficult to find in the UK, immigration is only a fairly small part of the puzzle.
I also don't particularly like the implication that the UK is suffering worse than other places from immigration - Germany gets a huge number of immigrants.
And to be honest, coming from somewhere afflicted with chronic emigration (our population still hasn't reached the levels it had in the 1800s due to the constant bleeding of our young people for over a century) I find people whining about their country being so great that other people want to live there to be fairly tiresome. That's probably a fairly obnoxious point of view though.
By EU migrants do you mean EU citizens moving to other EU countries?
The UK had about 240,000 net inward migration in the last official figures. That is under 0.4% of the population. About 10% of these inward migrants were refugees. The rest were all "legal".
And their counter argument is that the laws of man are not as important as divine law.
That's a full stop for me. That's not a counter-argument. What they say is worth nothing, literally, nothing. The law is above all. What they want is irrelevant. You break the law because your religions says otherwise? You broke the law. You get punished for it. That's how any reasonable state is to react to any issue. Law and human rights are above anything.
Just to make sure: I don't want to disrespect you by shortening your well thought-out post to this quote, I just think that it portrays my point pretty well.
If a, for example, a muslim decides to beat or kill a Christian because any "Sharia happening" decided to such a verdict, then first of all, let him take his koran into jail and then get the Sharia guys into jail as well for inciting a crime. That's how the law MUST work. Justice is blind.
I agree with you there, but it's not just Islam that has lines of thinking that says, "God's laws are higher than the laws of man"
Growing up in a Christian church this line of thinking was often heard. The usual line though, was that "we should follow the laws of man, until they run contrary to Biblical teachings"
And their counter argument is that the laws of man are not as important as divine law.
That's a full stop for me. That's not a counter-argument. What they say is worth nothing, literally, nothing. The law is above all. What they want is irrelevant. You break the law because your religions says otherwise? You broke the law. You get punished for it. That's how any reasonable state is to react to any issue. Law and human rights are above anything.
Just to make sure: I don't want to disrespect you by shortening your well thought-out post to this quote, I just think that it portrays my point pretty well.
If a, for example, a muslim decides to beat or kill a Christian because any "Sharia happening" decided to such a verdict, then first of all, let him take his koran into jail and then get the Sharia guys into jail as well for inciting a crime. That's how the law MUST work. Justice is blind.
And yes, exactly. It doesn't matter if there are extreme Islamists who want Sharia law to be a thing in the US, it has literally zero force of law, and as long as the US Constitution stays in place with the Bill of Rights intact, always will have zero force of law. If some people want to use it for arbitration between themselves, as long as they don't break the law (like by cutting off someone's hand or doing an honor killing) I don't really care, but they can't legally force anyone to follow it in the US.
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Boss I don't mean to sound like Britain has it worse, but by living here it automatically becomes the focus of y points. I don't doubt that other countries have problems. Indeed, Germany has seen large anti-Muslim protests recently. Normal people mixing with skinheads, which I think speaks to the frustration felt by a lot of people about immigration/integration. I've also mentioned Sweden and Calais in France.
I guess my point about the working population is that a lot of them don't have the option to emigrate? I also think that it'd be easier to reduce the numbers of immigrants into the country to try and solve that problem. Like you say, it isn't the be all and end all but it does contribute significantly. It's also something we could get a handle on pretty easily.
I can understand why people would want to come to the country, but you need to draw the line otherwise conditions will get worse for segments of the population. It's not a case of "Britain is too great for these people" it's simply practicality. I think even simple things like a period of time required to be eligible for elements of our social benefits would be an idea. I definitely think access to the NHS should not be applicable to everyone that arrives here.
Back to the the original point of Islam. British prisons are becoming hotbeds of Islamification. It's going unchecked for the same reason that Rotherham went on for so long. This is the underside of our society that people are willing to disregard. Ignore this is going to be a horrible mistake. Imagine taking the worst British violent scum and then giving them an ideology that actively encourages their behaviour. That's pretty worryng to me.
Skullhammer wrote: Or you follow taqiure (spl) which lets you lie to any non muslim to advance globel islam.
Taqiya. But please, stop focusing on this rule that allow Muslims to pretend not to be Muslims to avoid persecution, and which was mainly used by shia muslims to avoid persecution from sunni muslims to instead address the real problems. Please.
Is that just your feeling? Or do you have statistics?
Hordini wrote: If some people want to use it for arbitration between themselves, as long as they don't break the law (like by cutting off someone's hand or doing an honor killing) I don't really care
But you should, really.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Is that just your feeling? Or do you have statistics?
No, it's not just my feeling. I don't post facts like that if I'm not sure. Here you go. You'll notice the sources at the bottom of the page support the article. Feel free to explore.
Why do you find it so hard to believe? Does it go against your feelings?
Hordini wrote: If some people want to use it for arbitration between themselves, as long as they don't break the law (like by cutting off someone's hand or doing an honor killing) I don't really care
But you should, really.
Why should I care what two consenting adult parties use to arbitrate disputes between themselves as long as they aren't doing anything illegal? Why is it any of my business, or yours?
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Hordini wrote: They can assert their beliefs and laws as much as they want, that isn't going to ever give them any legal standing, especially not in the US. All the crap about Muslims trying to bring Sharia law to the US is conspiracy theory fear tactics.
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
They assert that they have freedom of religion in the US. Then when what they want to do conflicts with anything they claim descrimination and persecution.
Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Sam Harris wrote:I invite [those] who haven't read the Quran to simple read the book. Take out a highlighter and highlight those lines that counsel the believer to despise infidels, and you will find a book that is just covered with highlighter.--
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
Allah has revealed "clear tokens." Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
Those who disbelieve in the Quran, for whatever reason, are cursed by Allah, the angels, and men combined. So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161
"Those who disbelieve [are] Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense." 2:171
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
It's you and your religion against them and theirs. They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion" and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217
"The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Why does Allah like Muslims so much? Because they are the best people on earth, they behave themselves, forbid indecency, and believe in Allah. Allah loves people who believe in him. (Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers.") 3:110
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
And evidently the Islam and Nazis share a similar view of Jews
Spoiler:
Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
"Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe to be the Jews." 5:82
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96
Hordini wrote: They can assert their beliefs and laws as much as they want, that isn't going to ever give them any legal standing, especially not in the US. All the crap about Muslims trying to bring Sharia law to the US is conspiracy theory fear tactics.
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
They assert that they have freedom of religion in the US. Then when what they want to do conflicts with anything they claim descrimination and persecution.
Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Sam Harris wrote:I invite [those] who haven't read the Quran to simple read the book. Take out a highlighter and highlight those lines that counsel the believer to despise infidels, and you will find a book that is just covered with highlighter.--
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
Allah has revealed "clear tokens." Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
Those who disbelieve in the Quran, for whatever reason, are cursed by Allah, the angels, and men combined. So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161
"Those who disbelieve [are] Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense." 2:171
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
It's you and your religion against them and theirs. They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion" and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217
"The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Why does Allah like Muslims so much? Because they are the best people on earth, they behave themselves, forbid indecency, and believe in Allah. Allah loves people who believe in him. (Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers.") 3:110
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
And evidently the Islam and Nazis share a similar view of Jews
[spoiler]
Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
"Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe to be the Jews." 5:82
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96
As someone who has read the Qu'ran in arabic, and is fluent in Arabic. I can tell you those are wrong.
The Qu'ran tells you to respect Judaism and Christianity because they came first.
[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."
[31:18-19] "You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth proudly. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs. "Walk humbly and lower your voice - the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice."
[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend
Dont try to post a bs interpretations of a book to spread hate.
Yeah, my knowledge of Arabic is extremely limited, but I could tell just by reading the English quotes that adamsouza posted that the translation he was referring to was absolutely horrible.
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Hordini wrote: They can assert their beliefs and laws as much as they want, that isn't going to ever give them any legal standing, especially not in the US. All the crap about Muslims trying to bring Sharia law to the US is conspiracy theory fear tactics.
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
They assert that they have freedom of religion in the US. Then when what they want to do conflicts with anything they claim descrimination and persecution.
Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Sam Harris wrote:I invite [those] who haven't read the Quran to simple read the book. Take out a highlighter and highlight those lines that counsel the believer to despise infidels, and you will find a book that is just covered with highlighter.--
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
Allah has revealed "clear tokens." Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
Those who disbelieve in the Quran, for whatever reason, are cursed by Allah, the angels, and men combined. So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161
"Those who disbelieve [are] Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense." 2:171
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
It's you and your religion against them and theirs. They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion" and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217
"The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Why does Allah like Muslims so much? Because they are the best people on earth, they behave themselves, forbid indecency, and believe in Allah. Allah loves people who believe in him. (Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers.") 3:110
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
And evidently the Islam and Nazis share a similar view of Jews
[spoiler]
Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
"Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe to be the Jews." 5:82
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96
As someone who has read the Qu'ran in arabic, and is fluent in Arabic. I can tell you those are wrong.
The Qu'ran tells you to respect Judaism and Christianity because they came first.
[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."
[31:18-19] "You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth proudly. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs. "Walk humbly and lower your voice - the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice."
[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend
Dont try to post a bs interpretations of a book to spread hate.
Yeah, my knowledge of Arabic is extremely limited, but I could tell just by reading the English quotes that adamsouza posted that the translation he was referring to was absolutely horrible.
Not horrible, incorrect.
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God/Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God/Allah heareth and know eth all things.” The Holy Quran, Chapter 2, Verse 256.
Hordini wrote: They can assert their beliefs and laws as much as they want, that isn't going to ever give them any legal standing, especially not in the US. All the crap about Muslims trying to bring Sharia law to the US is conspiracy theory fear tactics.
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
They assert that they have freedom of religion in the US. Then when what they want to do conflicts with anything they claim descrimination and persecution.
Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Sam Harris wrote:I invite [those] who haven't read the Quran to simple read the book. Take out a highlighter and highlight those lines that counsel the believer to despise infidels, and you will find a book that is just covered with highlighter.--
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
Allah has revealed "clear tokens." Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
Those who disbelieve in the Quran, for whatever reason, are cursed by Allah, the angels, and men combined. So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161
"Those who disbelieve [are] Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense." 2:171
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
It's you and your religion against them and theirs. They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion" and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217
"The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Why does Allah like Muslims so much? Because they are the best people on earth, they behave themselves, forbid indecency, and believe in Allah. Allah loves people who believe in him. (Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers.") 3:110
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
And evidently the Islam and Nazis share a similar view of Jews
[spoiler]
Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
"Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe to be the Jews." 5:82
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96
As someone who has read the Qu'ran in arabic, and is fluent in Arabic. I can tell you those are wrong.
The Qu'ran tells you to respect Judaism and Christianity because they came first.
[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."
[31:18-19] "You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth proudly. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs. "Walk humbly and lower your voice - the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice."
[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend
Dont try to post a bs interpretations of a book to spread hate.
Yeah, my knowledge of Arabic is extremely limited, but I could tell just by reading the English quotes that adamsouza posted that the translation he was referring to was absolutely horrible.
Not horrible, incorrect.
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God/Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God/Allah heareth and know eth all things.” The Holy Quran, Chapter 2, Verse 256.
And yes. Allah literally translates to god.
As far as I'm concerned, an incorrect translation is a horrible translation. It's not the only way a translation can be horrible, but it's certainly one of the most obvious.
Medium of Death wrote: Boss I don't mean to sound like Britain has it worse, but by living here it automatically becomes the focus of y points. I don't doubt that other countries have problems. Indeed, Germany has seen large anti-Muslim protests recently. Normal people mixing with skinheads, which I think speaks to the frustration felt by a lot of people about immigration/integration. I've also mentioned Sweden and Calais in France.
During my time stationed in Germany, I saw this sort of thing first hand. Part of the problem, is you get a group of young Turks who are taught by their elders to believe that Turkey (the homeland) is this seriously fething cool place, it was soooooOOOooooo great, etc. etc. etc. But they're living in Germany, whilst often times wanting "Turkey" brought to Germany (ie, laws/customs, etc) but the Germans say, "no... this is Germany, and in Germany you should adopt German customs" (Except Doener Kebap... those are fething awesome), so these young Turks go to Turkey, to get away from the "gak hole" that is Germany, but are then told by Turkish people in Turkey, "you are not a Turk, you're a German... go back to Germany"
So you can kind of get the idea of what I'm getting at. It's a cycle that starts with older people desiring the Government's support in bringing their culture/ideas to law, in this case, bringing more Muslim friendly practices to a place that is pretty far from Muslim. It then transfers to the younger generation through the elder in the familial traditions and the like. And when the younger generation become adults, and realize that they aren't very "wanted", they head to a place they've been told they will be wanted. When they're rejected from there as well, they return to the first place even more pissed off and bewildered than before. By this point, they are often of an age where they are seeking life mates, having children, etc. and repeating the cycle.
2014/12/29 02:01:56
Subject: Re:Mosque in Sweden set on fire by arsonist
The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this, and anything associated with it, is not a faithful translation. Unless God chose to speak in idioms from 1400 years in the future, in which case we should all start praising Allah.
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2014/12/29 02:05:05
Subject: Re:Mosque in Sweden set on fire by arsonist
Medium of Death wrote: It's all very well and good to say that these quotes are bs but they circulate quite frequently.
Which matters because....?
Yeah, it's like this other quote (and others of the same general message) which circulates frequently:
You see the same thing from people who argue for creationism, the anti-vaxxers, holocaust deniers, people who believe the moon landings were faked etc.. They keep repeating the same false statements, no matter how many times they are disproved by reliable sources, until people actually believe they are true due to repetition.
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2014/12/29 02:24:19
Subject: Re:Mosque in Sweden set on fire by arsonist
Think quite a few of you all need to spend some time in a Islamic country.
Any of these will do.
Turkey
Iraq
Afghanistan
Kuwait
Egypt
UAE
Saudi
to name a few
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2014/12/29 02:27:23
Subject: Re:Mosque in Sweden set on fire by arsonist
Jihadin wrote: Think quite a few of you all need to spend some time in a Islamic country.
Any of these will do.
Turkey
Iraq
Afghanistan
Kuwait
Egypt
UAE
Saudi
to name a few
Which of us do you mean? The ones who read quotes like the one Dogma mentioned and think that they are accurate, credible translations of the Qur'an?
Jihadin wrote: Think quite a few of you all need to spend some time in a Islamic country.
Any of these will do.
Turkey
Iraq
Afghanistan
Kuwait
Egypt
UAE
Saudi
to name a few
Which of us do you mean? The ones who read quotes like the one Dogma mentioned and think that they are accurate, credible translations of the Qur'an?
Your good Hordini being you can see two sides of the coins. The "Tekeyya" is real. I've dealt with it on the logistical side of the house with host country counter parts. One will actually meet good professionals that enjoys dealing with other professionals and learn from each other. Then you will come across those who fall into a certain aspect of Tekeyya and after a getting a few burns one has to turn the tables on them and ask them to beat their integrity of the quality of their work.
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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2014/12/29 02:47:29
Subject: Re:Mosque in Sweden set on fire by arsonist
Been there. A guy, who I later realized was a pimp, tried to take my head off after I danced with a girl and didn't pay him. Thankfully I am faster than most people.
Outside that, Istanbul is a great city, probably my favorite. Other contenders are London, Paris, Tokyo, and Rio...where a taxi driver tried to mug me with what can best be described as a crowbar.
Golden rules with dealing with Turks Don't dance with their females for they will cut the crap out of you
UAE is good but you have to respect their traditions. They do give a lot of leeway but don't walk into the mall in just a bathing suit
Egyptian Army was a blast being they wanted to show off their capabilities being we have also just recently Israel lol
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2014/12/29 02:58:58
Subject: Re:Mosque in Sweden set on fire by arsonist
UAE is good but you have to respect their traditions. They do give a lot of leeway but don't walk into the mall in just a bathing suit.
Isn't that basically how the US works?
Your prosecuted under their laws though unless one falls under the SOFA but as a civilian your SoL. I believe contractors though fall a bit under SOFA but in some countries for them to work there you have to be sponsored by the employing agency.
We've a few Dakka members who fall under this who can clear a lot better then I can.
Like in Saudi some SPC took a GSA vehicle out and was doing "drifiting" and was caught. We slammed the crap out of him. Saudi's who are caught drifting gets beheaded
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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2014/12/29 04:39:05
Subject: Re:Mosque in Sweden set on fire by arsonist
Jihadin wrote: Think quite a few of you all need to spend some time in a Islamic country.
Any of these will do.
Turkey
Iraq
Afghanistan
Kuwait
Egypt
UAE
Saudi
to name a few
Which of us do you mean? The ones who read quotes like the one Dogma mentioned and think that they are accurate, credible translations of the Qur'an?
Your good Hordini being you can see two sides of the coins. The "Tekeyya" is real. I've dealt with it on the logistical side of the house with host country counter parts. One will actually meet good professionals that enjoys dealing with other professionals and learn from each other. Then you will come across those who fall into a certain aspect of Tekeyya and after a getting a few burns one has to turn the tables on them and ask them to beat their integrity of the quality of their work.
Thanks. And yeah, I've been to a few Islamic and Muslim-majority countries myself (a couple you listed, and one you didn't). Which is one of the reasons I feel somewhat obligated to share my two cents in a lot of these threads.
What part of Istanbul were you in when that happened, Dogma? Near Taksim or farther out?
