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 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
Everyone else in the Unit counts as having Run.

And this is why what you're doing is against the rules.

Bikes can't run.

You've concocted a situation in which a Bike ran. Could you have avoided this rules-breaking scenario by not running with the unit? Yes, so that is the rules.

You quoted the one line where I'm saying all models other than the Bike run. Taking my words out of context doesn't really say anything.

I could also avoid this situation by not taking Bikes in my list. I guess that is the rules?

Does the unit have permission to Run? Yes, it is an Infantry Unit. There is no rule saying I have to check each model. Choosing to Run is a Unit level action.

I could also just argue that attached Biker ICs CAN Run because they are a part of the Unit for all rules purposes, including the rules to Run, and the Unit can Run. I would assume he gets off his Bike and "walks it" when he's with the Infantry.

 koooaei wrote:

Can't find anything that disallows it either. Rules for a unit don't cover this.

Permissive ruleset.

Also, we covered this issue 2 years ago when Eldar came out and you can't utilize Battle Focus on a jetbike equipped character no matter what unit he is in.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Can't find anything that disallows it either. Rules for a unit don't cover this.

Permissive ruleset.

Also, we covered this issue 2 years ago when Eldar came out and you can't utilize Battle Focus on a jetbike equipped character no matter what unit he is in.

The problem is there's nothing discribing how a model interacts with a unit in this situation. It's pretty obscured anywayz, so i guess it's all up to homeruling.

Running / TB (or any variant of) are not generally considered the same thing. Sometimes I think written rules might have intended to lump them as the same but in a fair few this also seems the opposite so it is hard to tell.

HIWPI -
1. The unit can run and the bike model TB, but then the unit can not charge.
2. The unit runs, the biker does not TB or participate in the run movement of the other models, and the unit can charge.

The first point is conveniently what I believe to be closest to RaW. On the second point, there could defiantly be some debate as to if the unit can elect to run at all RAW wise, but think it's a nice compromise to leave it there RAI wise, as its not particularly game breaking, not too confusing and not too restrictive on either side (Also the biker should have had time to position appropriately without the need to run / tb)

I would not say the biker could make the run movement due to being in the unit, despite unit permissions that model still has the restriction saying it can not do that.