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The probably with one knight is in less you know its coming and tailor ur list for it there hard to beat

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Zande4 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:

 BACON! wrote:
Which should I buy. I need help with the pros and cons of each so I can make a good decision. Which is better for what?

do you want to piss everyone off at your local gaming group? yes? buy the knight then.

I fail to see how 1 Knight will piss everyone off, 1 is not exactly hard to deal with...

Some armies just can't deal with it. Cheesy melta alpha strike lists love going against them.

The only army I can see having a legit problem with Knights are Nids.

Everyone else is perfectly capable of doing 6 HP worth of damage to AV13/12. If you can't, there is a problem with your list.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Everyone else is perfectly capable of doing 6 HP worth of damage to AV13/12. If you can't, there is a problem with your list.

you mean 12 HP worth of damage due to the 4++ save

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Everyone else is perfectly capable of doing 6 HP worth of damage to AV13/12. If you can't, there is a problem with your list.

you mean 12 HP worth of damage due to the 4++ save

Only if you obligingly only attack from one direction at a time. The shield covers only one facing.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Zande4 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:

 BACON! wrote:
Which should I buy. I need help with the pros and cons of each so I can make a good decision. Which is better for what?

do you want to piss everyone off at your local gaming group? yes? buy the knight then.

I fail to see how 1 Knight will piss everyone off, 1 is not exactly hard to deal with...

Some armies just can't deal with it. Cheesy melta alpha strike lists love going against them.

The only army I can see having a legit problem with Knights are Nids.

Everyone else is perfectly capable of doing 6 HP worth of damage to AV13/12. If you can't, there is a problem with your list.

There was a thread on dakka a few months back (I'll link it if I could find it), which discussed how easily nids can take care of knights. The idea was FMCs with lots of STR 6 firepower hitting a non-invuln facing. I own a knight, but have only played it against my nids buddy once. I ended up in combat with hormigaunts for 3 game turns. So, he tarpitted me.

Here is the article I was thinking of...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/616231.page

The Strongest 1850 TAC Tyranid list at the moment brutalizes 1850 Knights. 5 Flyrants with Egrubs and x2 Devs each. Knights can't even hurt them reliably with stubbers and odds they're nuking a Knight a turn plus the Tyranids have a bunch of other stuff on the ground taking objectives.

My sm army can't even take out a night a turn and i have 3squads of laser canoon devs the only i can take out any knights is to go cheesy and run all sternguard in drop pods withh melts but i hate doing that as it don't fit my army

Rock paper scissors.

Flyrant x2 TL-Devourers ---------> Imperial Knight -------> Skyray --------> Flyrant x2 TL-Devourers

 Zande4 wrote:
The Strongest 1850 TAC Tyranid list at the moment brutalizes 1850 Knights. 5 Flyrants with Egrubs and x2 Devs each. Knights can't even hurt them reliably with stubbers and odds they're nuking a Knight a turn plus the Tyranids have a bunch of other stuff on the ground taking objectives.

Well if we are staying in force order knights gonna give nids huge trouble.

I had forgotten about the Flyrant built.

That list can be bound if they drop to 4 Flyrants and take 2 detachments. Heck 5 could be legal if they took 3 detachments and 3 detachments were allowed by the tournament.

Anyway, the point stands that anyone can deal with Knights. If you aren't taking advantage of things in your codex which can deal with Knights then that is your fault for ignoring a huge threat in the Meta.

Verviedi wrote:
Knight. Land Raiders are terrible.

in what way are they terrible?
Marneus Calgar has one, and he seems to like it.
and what is an imperial knight?
I vote land raider.



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 Xenomancers wrote:

 Zande4 wrote:
The Strongest 1850 TAC Tyranid list at the moment brutalizes 1850 Knights. 5 Flyrants with Egrubs and x2 Devs each. Knights can't even hurt them reliably with stubbers and odds they're nuking a Knight a turn plus the Tyranids have a bunch of other stuff on the ground taking objectives.

Well if we are staying in force order knights gonna give nids huge trouble.

while we are on the subject of nids, could you tell me what the three hive fleets are?

Land Raiders are bad because they have very low firepower for their points and aren't durable enough to compensate.

They're also meant to be transports for Terminators, but that just makes them even more expensive.

and what is an imperial knight?

Not sure if serious

How does a Land Raider even compare to an Imperial Knight?

You can afford $175 imperial knight but not a $76 land raider?

Ahem.

Please consider the Fire Raptor as an alternative to either of these contraptions.