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Tastey Taste of WH40k fame hosted a LVO practice tourney that attracted over 16 players (8+ player waiting list after the 16 man tourney) at End Game in Oakland california ( http://www.endgameoakland.com/ )

It was a standard ITC tourney (1850, FW, LoW with limitiations etc etc) that gave full ITC points and attracted some great players like Steve Sisk (BAO winner), Grant Theft Auto (#2 on ITC rankings) as well as others.

The results:

1Trevor Von Cleave Space Marines Win 1009 Win 2017 Win 3026 3026
2Geoff Robinson Tyranids Win 1007 Win 2016 Win 3025 3025
3Grant Vandenbosch Eldar Win 1010 Loss 1011 Win 2022 2022
4Jason Rockhill Eldar Win 1010 Win 2019 Loss 2021 2021
5Peter Kelly Space Wolves Loss 0004 Win 1012 Win 2020 2020
6Luis Utk Necrons Loss 0000 Win 1007 Win 2017 2017
7 Necrons Win 1005 Loss 1005 Win 2015 2015
8Adam Merlic Tau Win 1005 Win 2012 Loss 2014 2014
9Britton Bounds Space Marines Loss 0001 Loss 0007 Win 1015 1015
10John Feuerhelm Knights Win 1009 Loss 1011 Loss 1013 1013
11Garye Lawrence Eldar Win 1006 Loss 1007 Loss 1007 1007
12Jon Musacchia Imperial Guard Loss 0001 Win 1005 Loss 1006 1006
13 Grey Knights Loss 0000 Loss 0001 Win 1006 1006
14Eric Falsken Tau Loss 0000 Win 1006 Loss 1006 1006
15Han Rockhill Dark Eldar Loss 0004 Loss 0007 Loss 0007 7
16Steve Sisk Space Marines Loss 0002 Loss 0004 Loss 0005 5

Was a super nice turnout with great players that unfortunately signed up too late like Paul McKlevey , Reece Robbins and Jy2. Tastey Taste ran it very well and it went super smoothly.

I personally had a blast but really wanted my first GT/RTT win (started tourney play 1 year ago) but wasn't able to get there as I fell 1 point short! Yikes. Still went 3-0 and was happy with my play outside of not taking a VGS seriously enough in game 1 which ended up costing me points in the end.

Couple notes:

1. two of the top eldar players utilized Lynx skimmers/flyers.. get ready for those gents. They are absolutely bonkers good and for some reason are allowed in ITC format.
2. I was the only nid player there.. bit odd. With the Leviathan detachment I figured we'd see more.. was only 1 small'ish tourney so it doesn't mean much but thought that was interesting.
3. Drop Pod list wins the tourney.. in this mech / knight meta with super heavies and gargants they REALLY have some tools to deal with all of it. He also ran double Sicarans (Sicarians?) which is becoming a favorite for AA / utility.
4. Saw 2 Fire Raptors at this tourney.. went from not know what that is to seeing 4 of them in 3 days. REALLY solid flyer.. def check it out if you don't like money but like winning.
5. Thunder cavs did well here.. again this meta means punching things with oversized electrically charged hands does good things for win/loss records.

A TON of Team0Comp is heading to TSHFT next weekend so maybe see some of you there? Something like 8 or more of us are going to be there.. wish us luck!

grats

Yeah, Linx are absurd, I think Reece and Frankie must have just overlooked that one. Fun event, though.

Congrats to all.

I played against Jason's Lynx. I ran Adlance knights. On Turn 1, his lynx killed 2 of my knights. On T2, his army finished off the last knight.

Seriously, the Lynx is absurdly good.

See some of you at TSHFT next week!

Do Lynx have ranged D ?

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Do Lynx have ranged D ?

Yes. 2 large blasts.

Seems unfair.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Seems unfair.

Welcome to Whack-a-mole.

I saw that coming a mile away. Restrict A, get plowed by B. Neuter B, get stream rolled by C and D. Ban C and D...."omg, am I still playing (insert competitive game here).

When someone tugs on the linen thread a little to hard, you start to frolic around in the Emperor's new clothes. I read Frontline's guidelines and arrived on the conclusion that the whole thing FUBAR. This is the problem when you have TOs making executive decisions on the rules when they have their own horse in the race. Maybe not in this tournament, but just speaking in general.

Anyhow, on that note Gratz to the winner.

 Nyghoma wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Seems unfair.

Welcome to Whack-a-mole.

I saw that coming a mile away. Restrict A, get plowed by B. Neuter B, get stream rolled by C and D. Ban C and D...."omg, am I still playing (insert competitive game here).

When someone tugs on the linen thread a little to hard, you start to frolic around in the Emperor's new clothes. I read Frontline's guidelines and arrived on the conclusion that the whole thing FUBAR. This is the problem when you have TOs making executive decisions on the rules when they have their own horse in the race. Maybe not in this tournament, but just speaking in general.

Anyhow, on that note Gratz to the winner.

Its bonkers good, and its one of those things that once it goes ham once or twice, you really don't care what happens to it afterwards.

 jy2 wrote:
Congrats to all.

I played against Jason's Lynx. I ran Adlance knights. On Turn 1, his lynx killed 2 of my knights. On T2, his army finished off the last knight.

Seriously, the Lynx is absurdly good.

See some of you at TSHFT next week!

Too be fair the 1st dead knight killed your second knight (apoc blast scatter)...and the 3rd knight died to Brightlances in the back, 2 wraithcannon shots and then a failed save for the last 2 HP from the D weapon, so the Lynx only just honestly killed 1 by itself

:O The Lynx is pretty cheap, for what it does!

A squad in a drop pod with melta guns is far cheaper...or fire dragons with an archon

 z3n1st wrote:
A squad in a drop pod with melta guns is far cheaper...or fire dragons with an archon

You don't have to start it on the table, autarch allows it to come in on a 2+ meaning it will get at least one turn to fire! also don't forget those holo fields!!!

Drop pod or deepstriking fire dragons with Archon, also will get one turn to fire (at least), can also benefit from the Autarch (or a warlord trait to come in on a 2+), and the holofield on turn one if the lynx hasn't moved is only equal to a 5+ save and it can't Jink, otherwise its a 4+ equivalent.

Regardless there is always something higher on the totem pole, I am merely pointing out that the Lynx, although good, can be taken out fairly easily with the right tools (and with the Meta shifting towards knights, you better have those tools anyway!). Although a Lynx is a Super Heavy its only armor 11, so hardly a tough nut to crack. I think the biggest issue is people FORGET its a superheavy and try to count on the lucky AP1 or 2 weapon to punch it or knock out a weapon, or shake it, or anything, instead of just knocking a HP or two off. Then suddenly that deathstar is still fully operational (insert evil lauf)

...why are they allowing Experimental rule forge-world in this? I like playing crazy stuff but that thing is kinda silly.

Also were are you getting av 11? I'm seeing AV 12/12/10

umm, not sure if you are talking about the Lynx, but in case you are: page 97 of Forgeworld Apoc 2013, its not experimental and its AV11 all around

 z3n1st wrote:
Drop pod or deepstriking fire dragons with Archon, also will get one turn to fire (at least), can also benefit from the Autarch (or a warlord trait to come in on a 2+), and the holofield on turn one if the lynx hasn't moved is only equal to a 5+ save and it can't Jink, otherwise its a 4+ equivalent.

Regardless there is always something higher on the totem pole, I am merely pointing out that the Lynx, although good, can be taken out fairly easily with the right tools (and with the Meta shifting towards knights, you better have those tools anyway!). Although a Lynx is a Super Heavy its only armor 11, so hardly a tough nut to crack. I think the biggest issue is people FORGET its a superheavy and try to count on the lucky AP1 or 2 weapon to punch it or knock out a weapon, or shake it, or anything, instead of just knocking a HP or two off. Then suddenly that deathstar is still fully operational (insert evil lauf)

Totally agree, but once the lynx has killed what you needed it to, or forced your opponent to change his battle plan, it really doesn't matter if it lives or dies.

So I take the Lynx is a skimmer not a flyer. Is that correct ?

@Dozerblades - yes it is a skimmer. It has a special rule that allows it to become a flyer for a turn, but if it does so it can't shoot any weapons (so it can't shoot while flying)

@Krootman - your argument is pretty thin there, it really applies to ANY good unit in the game don't you think? The Lynx 'might' kill something, it also might not do a darn thing (no effect is just as likely as the best effect, and the middle ground isn't really any stronger than a str 10 blast weapon.

I find it laughable that people home in on that one tank, yet adlance is there, the stormtalon infiltrating formation is there, 5 tyrants exist, teleporting/invisible cent stars are all over the place, but an AV11 tank with 6HP is absurd, lol.

Pretty sure Geoff mentioned that space marines with drop pods took it, so obviously not as OP as everyone makes it out to be. I should probably add that in the final game it died turn 2 against those marines, and it wasn't all that hard to kill. It killed a tank and a character that failed a LoS roll over those two turns...yeah OP.

Also it wasn't an army of drop pods it was 3 (2 tac and 1 stern), 2 sicarins, a fire raptor and a bike command squad with libby and MoF, and 2 scout speeders. A well balanced list overall.

The Lynx is AV11 all around, with 6HP and Eldar Titan(?) Holo-Fields. In it's 'D' version, it is armed with a fixed-forward Pulsar (2-shot Large Blast, Strength D) that can more than shoot the length of the table. It can also have a single Scatter Laser mounted (this was available as an option well before Laserlock was a thing), so it can be twin-linked @ 36".

It is a skimmer (but as a Super Heavy it cannot Jink), but it can also 'fly'. It can forego shooting any of its weapons and zoom (zooming is the one where it goes really fast, right?) for a turn (I don't think it can 'fly' in consecutive turns, it hasn't come up), which is useful for repositioning it or keeping it away from Turn 2 'alpha' strikes. I do not believe it can fly off the board (again, it hasn't come up) to go into Ongoing Reserves.

I have two games (one tournament, and one club) against the Lynx. I won both. In the tournament game, I dropped in on turn 2 and blew it up (despite its being deployed on a skyshield landing pad). In the club game, I made some fantastic 5+ cover saves with my LasCannon Havocs (CSM) and then hit with 3 LasCannons, yadda yadda yadda...win. This was after it erased my Sicaran and my bunker on consecutive turns.

I DO think that the Lynx is a fantastic counter to Imperial Knights (and low model count armies), but perhaps because I face Lords of War (and Imperial Knights) regularly, I am not particularly dismayed at the sight of one. If you're prepared to face Imperial Knights, you're prepared to face a Lynx. /shrug

 Dozer Blades wrote:
So I take the Lynx is a skimmer not a flyer. Is that correct ?

It's a skimmer that can go into Flying mode. That's one of the things that makes it so good. You think you're about to assault it and then next turn, it flies away.

BTW, it cannot shoot on the turn it goes into flying mode.


EDIT: Ha, ninja'd!

DCannon4Life wrote:
The Lynx is AV11 all around, with 6HP and Eldar Titan(?) Holo-Fields. In it's 'D' version, it is armed with a fixed-forward Pulsar (2-shot Large Blast, Strength D) that can more than shoot the length of the table. It can also have a single Scatter Laser mounted (this was available as an option well before Laserlock was a thing), so it can be twin-linked @ 36".

It is a skimmer (but as a Super Heavy it cannot Jink), but it can also 'fly'. It can forego shooting any of its weapons and zoom (zooming is the one where it goes really fast, right?) for a turn (I don't think it can 'fly' in consecutive turns, it hasn't come up), which is useful for repositioning it or keeping it away from Turn 2 'alpha' strikes. I do not believe it can fly off the board (again, it hasn't come up) to go into Ongoing Reserves.

I have two games (one tournament, and one club) against the Lynx. I won both. In the tournament game, I dropped in on turn 2 and blew it up (despite its being deployed on a skyshield landing pad). In the club game, I made some fantastic 5+ cover saves with my LasCannon Havocs (CSM) and then hit with 3 LasCannons, yadda yadda yadda...win. This was after it erased my Sicaran and my bunker on consecutive turns.

I DO think that the Lynx is a fantastic counter to Imperial Knights (and low model count armies), but perhaps because I face Lords of War (and Imperial Knights) regularly, I am not particularly dismayed at the sight of one. If you're prepared to face Imperial Knights, you're prepared to face a Lynx. /shrug

this times 1000

It can become a flyer for a turn, (which means it can fly off table). It being able to avoid melee is what catches most people off guard I think, as Jy2 mentioned.

DCannon4Life wrote:
I do not believe it can fly off the board (again, it hasn't come up) to go into Ongoing Reserves.

Why wouldn't it be able to? If it moves as a flyer, then it should be able to go into Ongoing Reserves like a flyer.

I was only hedging my statement because it hadn't ever come up and because I didn't have my book in front of me.

I have looked it up and there are no restrictions to its 'flying'; it could fly the whole game if it wanted to.

I find it laughable that people home in on that one tank, yet adlance is there, the stormtalon infiltrating formation is there, 5 tyrants exist, teleporting/invisible cent stars are all over the place, but an AV11 tank with 6HP is absurd, lol. 

You're right to a degree. All of those builds are equally potent and demoralizing to some players. But let's honest, for a little more than a knight, the Lynx is worth every point. I wouldn't scoff at, for all intents and purposes, a cheap, mobile Aquila. But mitigating the advantages of D str, compared to s10? Come on, let's not be disingenuous.

Those death stars your referenced are also close to twice the cost of a single Lynx with 60' twin linked Str d large blasts. Normally I won't give 2 craps about a Lynx, but just looking at the blatant tailoring to LVO's restrictions, Eldar already have a leg up. All of the ignore cover nerfing is ridiculous. Pair that with a shrew of a LoW list that caters to select armies, and railroads others, it only aggravates the situation.

It's almost like the TOs have an axe to grind. And just the plain fact that the Lynx will become the new target of tabloid, due to favoritism bans, it burns me up. Theses TOs need to put the breaks on with their hatchet job calls. Slippery slope, meet brick wall.

Yes the environment is chuck full o cheese. But these idiotic restrictions to everyone else makes things like a Lynx in this case stand out, as far as I can see.

 Nyghoma wrote:

Those death stars your referenced are also close to twice the cost of a single Lynx with 60' twin linked Str d large blasts.

It's not twin-linked at 60" (let alone 60 feet), it's twin-linked at 36", the range of a Scatter Laser.

And like stated above: If a list is capable of taking out a SINGLE Imperial Knight, it will be capable of taking out a Lynx. As for downplaying Strength D as compared to S10; you still have to roll 6's. Lynx targets my Havocs ('Oh noes! They're all going to die!), then doesn't roll any 6's for its hits...and the Havocs make their cover saves....

DCannon4Life wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:

Those death stars your referenced are also close to twice the cost of a single Lynx with 60' twin linked Str d large blasts.

It's not twin-linked at 60" (let alone 60 feet), it's twin-linked at 36", the range of a Scatter Laser.

Knew that. I was just summing up the potential in one long winded sentence.

And like stated above: If a list is capable of taking out a SINGLE Imperial Knight, it will be capable of taking out a Lynx. As for downplaying Strength D as compared to S10; you still have to roll 6's.

Is that the only contrast you see between the two, the no saves of any kind part? I guess doing double or triple the amount of W/HP is unremarkable and without merit?

Lynx targets my Havocs ('Oh noes! They're all going to die!), then doesn't roll any 6's for its hits...and the Havocs make their cover saves....

Thanks for validating my point about ITC's "ignore cover" policy debacle.

 Nyghoma wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Seems unfair.

Welcome to Whack-a-mole.

I saw that coming a mile away. Restrict A, get plowed by B. Neuter B, get stream rolled by C and D. Ban C and D...."omg, am I still playing (insert competitive game here).

When someone tugs on the linen thread a little to hard, you start to frolic around in the Emperor's new clothes. I read Frontline's guidelines and arrived on the conclusion that the whole thing FUBAR. This is the problem when you have TOs making executive decisions on the rules when they have their own horse in the race. Maybe not in this tournament, but just speaking in general.

Anyhow, on that note Gratz to the winner.

I'm with you, man. Why can't I run my invisible Revenant Titan? It says in the rules I can make my Revenant Titan invisible and then can remove two units a turn without my opponent being able to do anything about it. Why are they restricting the way the rules say I can play 40k?

DCannon4Life wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:

Those death stars your referenced are also close to twice the cost of a single Lynx with 60' twin linked Str d large blasts.

It's not twin-linked at 60" (let alone 60 feet), it's twin-linked at 36", the range of a Scatter Laser.

That is not entirely accurate.

The Laser lock rule states that as long as the scatter laser hits, all other weapons are twin linked. There is a period at then of that sentence.
A super heavy is different from most other vehicles in that it can shoot at different targets with different weapons.
Yes the Scatter laser has a range of 36" but if it should hit, then the rest of the Lynx's weapons are now twin linked and can shoot at totally different targets within each weapon's range and line of sight.

So while it is not "twin-linked" at 60" be default it certainly can be.

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Seems unfair.

Welcome to Whack-a-mole.

I saw that coming a mile away. Restrict A, get plowed by B. Neuter B, get stream rolled by C and D. Ban C and D...."omg, am I still playing (insert competitive game here).

When someone tugs on the linen thread a little to hard, you start to frolic around in the Emperor's new clothes. I read Frontline's guidelines and arrived on the conclusion that the whole thing FUBAR. This is the problem when you have TOs making executive decisions on the rules when they have their own horse in the race. Maybe not in this tournament, but just speaking in general.

Anyhow, on that note Gratz to the winner.

I'm with you, man. Why can't I run my invisible Revenant Titan? It says in the rules I can make my Revenant Titan invisible and then can remove two units a turn without my opponent being able to do anything about it. Why are they restricting the way the rules say I can play 40k?

If I ran the event from my personal perspective I would have kept Invisibility as written because it isn't automatic and can be stopped in quite a few ways, but that is another thread discussion that has already happened.

I have a funny suspicion that once every 6th edition codex up to Tyranids gets redone we could have a game where Forge World and Super Heavies aren't needed, but as it is Wave Serpents seemed to ruin the game, so until then the Lynx and other units of its type are needed, but also Invisibility as RAW is needed to balance the D weapons.

Btw everyone should be reminded that a balanced Space Marine list won not the Lynx Eldar!