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.So with new codices being all everyday news how do you rank this or that codex? For this exercise you do not have to rank every codex, just give a general view of where you feel this, or that codex lies in the general power rankings of the 40k universe.. I will start.

1. Eldar... With Wave serpents being handed out to the whole army at will. This army doesn't even nee to rely on its way better than average Heavy Support slot to win games. This army is the one to beat.

2. Knight Titans. Adamantime Lance. WTF?

3. Space Marines. Between their scoring drop pods and their chapter master bike bergaide is a whole bunch of great USRs I am very jealous of.

4. Grey Knights. How many warp charges?

5. Chaos Daemons. How many warp charges?

And I'm done. What factions are running the show? Why are they?

Eldar
IoM ally shenanigans
Daemons
Necrons

God Tier (In no particular order)

Tyranids Pentaflyrant or Barbed Hierodule + Triflyrant
Eldar WS Spam w/ Wraithknights
Sevrin Loth or Tigurius Centistar + Greyknight Nemesis Strikeforce with Librarian, Draigo and Dreadknights

Tier 1

Iron Hands drop pod spam with Chpater Master Smash Fether
Chaos Daemons with a pick of Balesword GUO, Flying Nurgle Balesword Dps (Other Dps also quite good), Kairos, Be'Lakor and throw in some summoning
Imperial Knights Adamantine Lance
White Scars
Tau Farsun Bomb with Riptide and Skyrays
Necron AV13 Wall with Bargelords
Greentide with lucky stikk + Mad Dok Grotsnik with loads of Kannons
MSU Tyranids with Flyrants / Mawlocs / Dakkafexes in pods

Tier 2 (In no particular order)
Grey Knights
Space Wolves
Blood Angels
Sisters
Dark Eldar
Orks
Astra Militarum
Inquisition

Also worth a note is the Culexus and Vindicare Assassin are quite good in their own right.

1. Eldar

2. SM/ Necrons/ Daemons/ Inquisition/ Imperial Knights

3. Tau/ Tyrannids/ SW/ IG/ Sisters/ Grey Knights/ DE/ BA/

4. CSM/ DA/ Orks

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
1. Eldar

2. SM/ Necrons/ Daemons/ Inquisition/ Imperial Knights

3. Tau/ Tyrannids/ SW/ IG/ Sisters/ Grey Knights/ DE/ BA/

4. CSM/ DA/ Orks

+1 the only change I'd make would be Orks into tier 3.

 Zande4 wrote:
Greentide with lucky stikk + Mad Dok Grotsnik with loads of Kannons

The lucky stikk works better on units with decent saves and small enough so that every hit in CC counts, meganobs being the perfect match IMHO, but on a greentinde it is mostly useless. Are you sure you don't mean the Big Bosspole?

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 Zande4 wrote:
Greentide with lucky stikk + Mad Dok Grotsnik with loads of Kannons

The lucky stikk works better on units with decent saves and small enough so that every hit in CC counts, meganobs being the perfect match IMHO, but on a greentinde it is mostly useless. Are you sure you don't mean the Big Bosspole?

It raises the entire Greentide's weapon skill to 5, the re-rolls only work for the bearer anyway and you're taking a Warboss to unlock the formation so you may as well raise 120+ Ork Boyz to WS5 for 25 points. Not really a need for a Bosspole with Grotsnik being Fearless.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 Zande4 wrote:
Greentide with lucky stikk + Mad Dok Grotsnik with loads of Kannons

The lucky stikk works better on units with decent saves and small enough so that every hit in CC counts, meganobs being the perfect match IMHO, but on a greentinde it is mostly useless. Are you sure you don't mean the Big Bosspole?

Also means you can use the warboss to tank a bunch of weaker hits on his 2+ MA save, rerolling the 1's. Not too many that you end up dying to bad luck, but you can end up saving a bunch of boyz that way over the course of a game. Even if you only save 10 boyz over a few turns with it, thats still like 30+ more attacks in combat, and more bodies to throw in front of actual threats.

Grotsnik is also crazy useful with his fearless. I've been tempted to chuck him in with some MANz, but his points cost makes it a bit too expensive unless its a big mob of manz. In the greentide blob he's very efficient though.

Niiru wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 Zande4 wrote:
Greentide with lucky stikk + Mad Dok Grotsnik with loads of Kannons

The lucky stikk works better on units with decent saves and small enough so that every hit in CC counts, meganobs being the perfect match IMHO, but on a greentinde it is mostly useless. Are you sure you don't mean the Big Bosspole?

Also means you can use the warboss to tank a bunch of weaker hits on his 2+ MA save, rerolling the 1's. Not too many that you end up dying to bad luck, but you can end up saving a bunch of boyz that way over the course of a game. Even if you only save 10 boyz over a few turns with it, thats still like 30+ more attacks in combat, and more bodies to throw in front of actual threats.

Grotsnik is also crazy useful with his fearless. I've been tempted to chuck him in with some MANz, but his points cost makes it a bit too expensive unless its a big mob of manz. In the greentide blob he's very efficient though.

Yeah it's a great way to run the Greentide throw in some Klaws on the Nobz to kill some high AV and it's a very scary formation.

Aaaah. I see your points. I just thought having WS5 on a greentide was kind of wasteful, since so many attacks (and even more with Rampage) are going to end up overpowering whatever threat they come across. But as a means to protect your boss (or, even better, Grotsnik himself, since the Warboss on the 'tide can't get gifts of Gork and Mork) from being sniped, the Lucky Stikk might actually be useful. Pity I can't squeeze a working greentide under 750 points, I've just signed up for a fast tourney and I'd love to give this setup a try.

 Zande4 wrote:
God Tier (In no particular order)

Tyranids Pentaflyrant or Barbed Hierodule + Triflyrant
Eldar WS Spam w/ Wraithknights
Sevrin Loth or Tigurius Centistar + Greyknight Nemesis Strikeforce with Librarian, Draigo and Dreadknights

Tier 1

Iron Hands drop pod spam with Chpater Master Smash Fether
Chaos Daemons with a pick of Balesword GUO, Flying Nurgle Balesword Dps (Other Dps also quite good), Kairos, Be'Lakor and throw in some summoning
Imperial Knights Adamantine Lance
White Scars
Tau Farsun Bomb with Riptide and Skyrays
Necron AV13 Wall with Bargelords
Greentide with lucky stikk + Mad Dok Grotsnik with loads of Kannons
MSU Tyranids with Flyrants / Mawlocs / Dakkafexes in pods

Tier 2 (In no particular order)
Grey Knights
Space Wolves
Blood Angels
Sisters
Dark Eldar
Orks
Astra Militarum
Inquisition

Also worth a note is the Culexus and Vindicare Assassin are quite good in their own right.

Mostly agree with this. Love the fact that Dark Angels are considered so poor (they have to be bottom along with scions imo), that they didn't even get a mention. Others that you must be putting in tier 3 (as in, not mentioned) are CSM, the Lost and Damned (although i would have to say after reading IA:13, they definitely deserve tier 2) and Legion of the Damned.

I used to consider orks and BA bottom tier. So GW have done a really good job with the new dexes. Making them good, but not uber fromage fests.

Stick a Painboy in a green tide, get hit with whatever daemon fire gives them FnP a few times.. you now have 100+ MEQ save orks. How about you move them up to teir 2, buddy?


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 Big Blind Bill wrote:
1. Eldar

2. SM/ Necrons/ Daemons/ Inquisition/ Imperial Knights

3. Tau/ Tyrannids/ SW/ IG/ Sisters/ Grey Knights/ DE/ BA/

4. CSM/ DA/ Orks

Make a sisters army that can wipe orks.

 Pyeatt wrote:
Stick a Painboy in a green tide, get hit with whatever daemon fire gives them FnP a few times.. you now have 100+ MEQ save orks. How about you move them up to teir 2, buddy?


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 Big Blind Bill wrote:
1. Eldar

2. SM/ Necrons/ Daemons/ Inquisition/ Imperial Knights

3. Tau/ Tyrannids/ SW/ IG/ Sisters/ Grey Knights/ DE/ BA/

4. CSM/ DA/ Orks

Make a sisters army that can wipe orks.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

I still think sisters are better overall.

Edit: Board wipe orks would be pretty difficult. Win a normal game against orks using sisters? Perfectly doable.

Meh, it's all a matter of opinion.

Yeah totally.

I might have been a bit too harsh on the orks, they would be fine in 3rd tier. I wouldn't put them any higher though.

Just a quick point as I've seen a couple of comments about it recently but the Warboss in the Green Tide formation isn't eligible to take Da Lucky Stikk as he only has access to the Relics in the Ghazghkull supplement not the main Codex. So no +1WS for the tide unless people add a second WB from another detachment to it, that's why people will take the Big Bosspole instead.

xlDuke wrote:
Just a quick point as I've seen a couple of comments about it recently but the Warboss in the Green Tide formation isn't eligible to take Da Lucky Stikk as he only has access to the Relics in the Ghazghkull supplement not the main Codex. So no +1WS for the tide unless people add a second WB from another detachment to it, that's why people will take the Big Bosspole instead.

Yeah I usually take the Big Bosspole on him and ally in another Warboss with Da Lucky Stick. I have Grotsnikk as my HQ from the supplement.

Having 2 sources of fearless makes it a little harder to snipe them out.

Yeh, as the formation is Ghazghkul, you can't take the lukky stikk on that specific warboss, but generally you would field a normal detachment along with the formation and so there's the chance to get a stikk. Or other options, there are a few good choices.

Eldar
Any FMC list
Knights
IoM allies

 Lobukia wrote:
Eldar
Any FMC list
Knights
IoM allies

In 6th edition I would have agreed with you over FMCs.

In 7th edition though you really have to say shooting FMCs. (Like Flyrants).

Daemon FMC lists are not as powerful as they used to be imo as they lack reliable and point worthy ranged attacks outside of psychic powers, which are more unreliable.
The most common daemon FMCs now are nurgle DPs - and most of the time they don't even fly.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Aaaah. I see your points. I just thought having WS5 on a greentide was kind of wasteful, since so many attacks (and even more with Rampage) are going to end up overpowering whatever threat they come across. But as a means to protect your boss (or, even better, Grotsnik himself, since the Warboss on the 'tide can't get gifts of Gork and Mork) from being sniped, the Lucky Stikk might actually be useful. Pity I can't squeeze a working greentide under 750 points, I've just signed up for a fast tourney and I'd love to give this setup a try.

Actually, GT has some problems with killiness. You're spread out and multicharging or get charged on the flank mostly. So, ammount of attacks is not that great, you're getting as many as you'd get from a 20-strong squad, besides they're s3. You do have more power klaws. So, ws5 is super-helpful.



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 Big Blind Bill wrote:
1. Eldar

2. SM/ Necrons/ Daemons/ Inquisition/ Imperial Knights

3. Tau/ Tyrannids/ SW/ IG/ Sisters/ Grey Knights/ DE/ BA/

4. CSM/ DA/ Orks

I'd say that the greentide is absolutely t2 in your list. Blitz brigade is between t2 and t3 - it's more vulnerable to being countered but also counters some of the lists itself. Regular orkses without formations are close to t3.