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timd wrote:
Fantasy Dwarves about to be Squatted?

The Fantasy world is thick with two things:

1. Skaven.
2. Irony.

Gotrek Gurnisson!!!!

It has to BE!!!

@Slayer le boucher: well sorry about before, was too agitated back then. It is just, that that shop was online for a couple of weeks by now and the pictures got only uploaded here after I have sent someone else the link in dakkadakka to have a look, so got disappointed a bit about it. Might be coincidence, but looks surely very strange. sorry again, it is not your fault at the end, but mine. Besides Chinese market is my only available source now for GW products here in east asia. And it is very limited at best.

But still not sure if it is a real copyright infringement, since they are printing the books, so they surely have some rights on there own, besides they should be out of jurisdiction for GW. (There own mistake to use a chinese printing company.)

 Haight wrote:
Surprised no one has made mention of Isabella apparently joining up with Chaos and potentially fighting against Vlad (less sure on the second part, but she's in one of the army spreads with a bunch of Nurgle Daemons).

Interesting juxtaposition there ; i'd have pegged her for Slaanesh, personally.


Those skullreapers look so much like PP's doom reavers its scary, sans the helmets. I wonder if this is a subtle little middle finger after the chapterhouse rulings ? Kinda like (from their perspective, i don't agree with this, i rooted for chapterhouse to win) "Hey, we can copy ideas too and change small aspects of them."

A quick Google tells me the Doom Reavers are half naked guys with big swords... Hardly the most original concept!

Anyone else pick up that Karl Franz is simply known as the 'The Emperor' in that double page spread - is that meant to be a nod to a far off future, maybe 40,000 years distant?

The 40k emperor is based in real earth history not wfb fluff.

 Kirasu wrote:
The 40k emperor is based in real earth history not wfb fluff.

I think you missed his point. The Emperor in 40k is just called 'The Emperor'. Emperor Karl Franz is called 'The Emperor' on that page in Archaon, instead of 'Emperor Karl Franz'. So it could be a nod to 40k.

Hulksmash wrote:My poor dwarves.....

Yeah thinking the same. My number 1 army in Warhammer. I'd say the fluff keeps me interested as much (probably more) than the models.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Really Dwarf players should've twigged to their continued involvement in WFB when they (and the Ogres) only got dataslates in the last book.

The manner of the way they are squatting existing armies is not great. The way Karaz-a-Karak is just written off in the last page of Thanquol is highly disappointing.

RiTides wrote:So, dwarfs are out for fantasy - even chaos dwarfs? Even Hellcannon crew? What about the excellent (and from what I thought, well selling) Forgeworld line of chaos dwarfs?

Genuinely asking here. Of course if they nix dwarfs of any stripe altogether that will likely be it for my fantasy involvement, but I'm just curious more than anything.

+1 Have a small Forgeworld Chaos Dwarf force but always knew, seeing as it was specialist, there was a risk of it being removed from production at some stage. I think that the Chaos Dwarf stuff Forgeworld do is their best selling Fantasy product?

As far as the End Times goes, while entertaining to read, it has to have created a serious amount of doubt in many Fantasy players' minds regarding, not just buying anymore stuff at present, but buying into a new range in 9th should they decide to retcon things at a later stage?

I'll definitely try to pick up a few pieces such as the current Throne of Power model before they get pulled from the range (I already have 3 older Thrones of Power but 1 more couldn't hurt ) but don't know if there'll even be a Dwarf army worth collecting in 9th

I'm glad that Butcher doesn't have to buy metal any more. Other than that I am huge Khorne player and extreemly glad that I will get some new toys!!

Leggy wrote:
I'm guessing Gotel Hammersomething, Runelord.

That's about what I can make out as well.

And it fits with the Avengers Assemble picture with the generic Dwarf runelord model.

They released a couple of Dwarf kits very recently and they have the Chaos Dwarf line from FW.

What's the basis for them getting scrapped?

I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.

Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.

I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.

 Medium of Death wrote:
They released a couple of Dwarf kits very recently and they have the Chaos Dwarf line from FW.

What's the basis for them getting scrapped?

Warhammer forge has halted production and canned future projects. Tamurkhan is no longer available for sale.

And some units are no longer available.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.

Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.

I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.

I'm with you on this. I don't get why Elves needed half the Incarnates, and bringing people back is stupid. Either kill them off or dont, I hate when writers backpedal like that.

Darnok posted the preorder date for the Bloodthirster on Warseer this morning. It is not Feb 27 but the week after. So, Friday March 6

Grimgor became the Incarnate of Beasts, pretty spiffy.

I hope he gets to fight Archaon like in Storm of Chaos.

 Imaskari wrote:
Grimgor became the Incarnate of Beasts, pretty spiffy.

I hope he gets to fight Archaon like in Storm of Chaos.

So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all?
As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."

Now to wait and see which impossible feat comes first; GW releases the plastic Lord of Change... OR... the Maple Leafs win the Cup?!

Experiment 626 wrote:
So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all?
As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."

So business as usual?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all?
As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."

So business as usual?

Tzeentch is the god of being smart and Slaanesh is the god of making pretty things. Games Workshop, being a modelling company with both poor business sense and butt-ugly models thus despises both of them.

WH40k isn't very different, although it's a bit worse in Fantasy for some reason. In Wh40k, Tzeentch is at least generally seen in control of things. In Fantasy he seems to be a loser who can't do anything right. He's like, that smart alec that says he's smart yet keeps getting blindsided by Nagash and orks and everything and none of his plans succeeding in Fantasy.

So what about the Dwarfs (not Chaos dwarfs), are there any direct rumours as to their squattedness or is it just conjecture at this time?, same question for ogres for that matter.

latest suggestions are

Dwarves apparently get bundled in with the Empire et al as a minor part

Orcs, Goblins & Ogres end up together (but loose lots including most/all gunpowder stuff)

how true it is? we wait to see

TiamatRoar wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all?
As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."

So business as usual?

Tzeentch is the god of being smart and Slaanesh is the god of making pretty things. Games Workshop, being a modelling company with both poor business sense and butt-ugly models thus despises both of them.

That...is the best reasoning for this that I've seen so far!

It's a shame that Change and Excess are probably the most broad Chaos concepts, yet seem to promote the least imagination from GW.

But then, Rage and Entropy are simply distilled down to pus and hitting things, so it may be a little optimistic to expect much..

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's a shame that Change and Excess are probably the most broad Chaos concepts, yet seem to promote the least imagination from GW.

But then, Rage and Entropy are simply distilled down to pus and hitting things, so it may be a little optimistic to expect much..

Considering that change = chaos you'd think Tzeentch would get a lot more attention. There are limits to how far you can showcase pleasure/excess and keep it PG but magic and change/chaos is the foundation of GW's evil forces so it's always puzzled me why Tzeentch gets short shrift.

That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.

Admittedly it's tougher now than back in the day when they were willing to at least go to a 12A rating, but what about some troops based around a Gluttony concept? In fact, the 7 Deadlies would be quite a good platform to build from, because they're all essentially normal behaviours taken to excess.

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.

Admittedly it's tougher now than back in the day when they were willing to at least go to a 12A rating, but what about some troops based around a Gluttony concept? In fact, the 7 Deadlies would be quite a good platform to build from, because they're all essentially normal behaviours taken to excess.

Yea, honestly, copying the 7 deadly sins might not be the most original concept, but it'd still be a lot more original than what GW is currently doing with Chaos (more pus filled things!!! More angry dudes!!!) and also would allow for some very varied models (Gluttony-based followers and demons would look insanely different from Lust ones which would look insanely different from Greed and Sloth ones)

(as an aside, assuming FFG is taken as canon, it's actually just 6 deadlies for Slaanesh. Wrath is Khorne's domain and 6 is Slaanesh's sacred number. ...though IMHO that's a bit of an error because Slaanesh has been wrath in the fluff before as well, the most blatant example being the Masque. Not that I expect GW in its current state to pay attention to either. Regardless, the fact that FFG bothered to explore it is just another example of GW's subsidiaries and partners doing things better than GW)

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.

Admittedly it's tougher now than back in the day when they were willing to at least go to a 12A rating, but what about some troops based around a Gluttony concept? In fact, the 7 Deadlies would be quite a good platform to build from, because they're all essentially normal behaviours taken to excess.

While it was 40k, I always liked the Noise Marines and how they used sound of torture to seek enjoyment.

I could see something along those lines in WHFB...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92znSfbKuJQ <- Like that but more, spikey, and more skulls.

Throw in a hefty dose of the cenobytes from Hellraiser and we're on to something.

A few plebs on the Internet and we fixed Slaanesh in minutes! C'mon GW.

Good point on the wrath, but violence in a fit of Envy or pique would stand in nicely for a more brutal, hitty, unit.

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.

Speak for yourself Az. There's a whole tome dedicated to excess in the Black Crusade line. I believe it's called "Tome of Excess".

TiamatRoar wrote:
(as an aside, assuming FFG is taken as canon, it's actually just 6 deadlies for Slaanesh. Wrath is Khorne's domain and 6 is Slaanesh's sacred number. ...though IMHO that's a bit of an error because Slaanesh has been wrath in the fluff before as well, the most blatant example being the Masque. Not that I expect GW in its current state to pay attention to either. Regardless, the fact that FFG bothered to explore it is just another example of GW's subsidiaries and partners doing things better than GW)

Wrath felt to Khorne-like to me, so I used the other six for the assassins/saboteurs.