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i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...

besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...

cheers
jah

 Platuan4th wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Why does the bloodthirster cost 116 USD when the verminlord is only 90?

The Verminlord doesn't have a set of enormous wings.

The Verminlord also builds 6 different profiles, meaning the likelihood of a Skaven player buying at least one is increased.

 Redemption wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
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Yeah I don't like those big runes either. But perhaps if you don't make them so obvious and paint them the same colour as the rest of the wing it's not that bad.

If you look at the rotating pic, the wings are painted a single colour, so you can get an idea of if it's to much or not. Me, I'd prefer they weren't there (to make the bits more useful, like for Nids, etc.) but it isn't all that bad.

Ah, you meant in the video. Yeah, that way it looks more like scar tissue, much better than the contrasting colour.

i love the skull ponytail holder/hair scrunchy.

 jah-joshua wrote:
i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...

besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...

cheers
jah

While I'm not blown away in quite the same way as others seem to be, I'm with you on this.

I actually think the fact it has Khorne runes on the soles of it's feet is kind of cool..

I would say that shaving the runes off, while certainly possible, is a lot of time and effort and unlikely to produce amazing results, but then, these arent the only plastic wings from a GW kit, GW themselves even sell some wings as bits still. Elf Dragon or Balrog wings could be adapted I'm sure.

It's like saying the only way to be a patriot is to have 14 tattoos of the American flag on your body. It's childish but in line with what we expect from gw ideas nowadays.

A blood thirster doesn't need khorne runes everywhere. He shows his devotion cause he's a damn greater demon of his god...it's IMPLIED that he's pro-khorne

Imagine of one of the NASCAR vehicle replaced all of the various advertisements with one company's logo, just repeated in every space.
That's what this reminds me of. It's not the fact that the Bloodthirster has a mark of Khorne on him, it's that he has what, thirty?

At some point you have to wonder if it's because he forgets if he doesn't constantly see them on himself.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's like saying the only way to be a patriot is to have 14 tattoos of the American flag on your body. It's childish but in line with what we expect from gw ideas nowadays.

A blood thirster doesn't need khorne runes everywhere. He shows his devotion cause he's a damn greater demon of his god...it's IMPLIED that he's pro-khorne

QFT - and moreover, it seems to me that Khorne would be the LAST Chaos god to care about runes/banner/symbols. If you're killing things in his name, he's probably happy. Now Tzeentch, and to a lesser extent Slaneesh and Nurgle, probably care about the rhetorical power of having highly many visible Daemon-God "logos," but I can't see why Khorne would give a rat's tuchas about looks, as long as you're killing stuff.

-C6

Meh.

Not the best Bloodthirster, not the worst... but at least it is very expensive.

(For the record - the best Bloodthirster is more expensive - but I have an easier time swallowing Forgeworld prices for resin than GW prices for cheap plastic.)

The Auld Grump - in my opinion, this isn't even the third best Bloodthirster - and two and three are less expensive.


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 catharsix wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
It's like saying the only way to be a patriot is to have 14 tattoos of the American flag on your body. It's childish but in line with what we expect from gw ideas nowadays.

A blood thirster doesn't need khorne runes everywhere. He shows his devotion cause he's a damn greater demon of his god...it's IMPLIED that he's pro-khorne

QFT - and moreover, it seems to me that Khorne would be the LAST Chaos god to care about runes/banner/symbols. If you're killing things in his name, he's probably happy. Now Tzeentch, and to a lesser extent Slaneesh and Nurgle, probably care about the rhetorical power of having highly many visible Daemon-God "logos," but I can't see why Khorne would give a rat's tuchas about looks, as long as you're killing stuff.

-C6

Urge to do flower child Bloodthirster rising... complete with Make Love Not War banners, and Chaos guardsmen with flowers in their las rifles....

The Auld Grump

I like the Bloodthirster, it's a nice looking model but has a very high price point. I'm not a fan of the Khornate runes on the wings- it seems systemic of the issue GW has had in the past few years of absolutely beating you over the head with iconography on units. Centurions are a good example...they are just caked in aquilas, skull halos, and the usual stuff. The models honestly might look okay if you dropped the decor by about 50%.

It makes me wonder if the turn towards "THIS IS A SPACE MARINE/KHORNE/NURGLE UNIT" is part of GW's attempt to gain further control over their IP. Makes me think of a silly conversation between two players playing Fantsy...

Hey, what's that big demon model you got there?
Oh, it's a model from [random company], it makes for a good-looking Bloodthirster
But it can't be a Bloodthirster, it doesn't have rune of Khorne all over it!

(I realize this conversation would probably never happen, but it's funny to think about)

 Platuan4th wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Why does the bloodthirster cost 116 USD when the verminlord is only 90?

The Verminlord doesn't have a set of enormous wings.

I don't really see that as a valid reason. They both appear to be on the same sized sprues. IIRC, the cost of the kit is tooling the mold. I don't think the cost of the plastic to make those wings justifies that much of a price jump.

GW would have had my money on this if;

a) It didn't have those awful wing runes and
b) It wasn't poncing around like a ballet dancer.

What's with half the new GW models in a lame fake hovering pose (or covered with tendrils). Just because those poses are now possible in plastic doesn't mean you have to use them on everything.

A nice solid 2 feet on the ground stationary pose and they'd have had my 70 quid already.

Restraint is not a concept that prospers at GW.

 jah-joshua wrote:
i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...

besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...

cheers
jah

I thought it was pretty well done myself in terms of scar tissue runes... only problem i see is that i can see that being REALLY hard to paint and deliver that effect, i can see it being super easy to paint cheesy for us mere mortals that can't paint to studio quality.

I might pick one up, probably not immediately, but at some point to use as a K'Daai Destroyer. If i do, I probably won't put the wings on / convert it somehow so i don't have to.

Just to be clear, I don't think the effect of the Khornate runes looks bad per say, it has more to do with the overabundance of Khorne symbols that are all over that guy.

Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if the thirster didn't have a couple of gold crowns on his teeth stamped with the Khorne symbol. You know, just in case you were confused about what you were looking at.

The runes are a embodiment of khorne himself, to have a khorne daemon without his mark would be to take away their fathers genes that creat them. As much as my children carry my blue eyes his children carry his markings. So long story short omg stop complaining for like 5 mintues gone for a month came back and you guyys are still riding the same dead horse.

 jah-joshua wrote:
i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...

besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...

cheers
jah

I don't outright hate the runes but I don't really like them either. Removing them would take quite a lot of time, especially given they're on a textured surface. Then a lot of the time (especially with plastic) you often have to remove more material than the icon itself and smooth the surface over because often even though the icon protrudes, the surrounding area often dips down slightly. Not impossible, but not what I'd call "really easy".

OgreChubbs wrote:
The runes are a embodiment of khorne himself, to have a khorne daemon without his mark would be to take away their fathers genes that creat them. As much as my children carry my blue eyes his children carry his markings. So long story short omg stop complaining for like 5 mintues gone for a month came back and you guyys are still riding the same dead horse.

Again, I don't think anyone has an issue with a daemon of Khorne bearing the mark of Khorne.
To match you analogy, I do think it would be weird if your children had nearly every inch of skin tattooed with, and had every article of clothing they wore emblazoned with, "Child of OgreChubbs".

Having an emblem here and there is fine, but I stopped counting at 25 marks of Khorne on the hammer-flail and axe version of the bloodthirster.

Your analogy kind of falls over because a single tattoo with "Child Of Ogrechubbs" on any of his progeny would be extraordinarily weird!

Fair enough, but that was the most straightforward I could make it while still adhering at least a little to his own analogy.

I don't think anyone has a problem with a Khorne daemon having Khorne icons, the question is more the aesthetic choice of having raised icons plastered over the wings.

Having an upside down omega symbol is fine for an Ultramarine, doesn't mean I want to have an Ultramarine character with 5 upside down omegas on his cape.

@Azreal13 & AllSeeingSkink: obviously, different people's interpretation of an easy job will differ...
i have never had a problem shaving anything off of a plastic model, and i don't find the time taken to do it to be tedious...
i am never in a rush to finish a model, i only care about doing the best job i can, to make the coolest model possible...
compared to shaving the chest off of the metal Calgar model for my Draigo conversion, taking these runes off of the wings would be a doddle...
to me, anything i do to alter a model seems "really easy", because i am bringing my personal vision to life, which is a lot of fun...

@Haight: the only way to get better at painting is to push past your comfort zone...
trying to copy a studio scheme that looks difficult is a good way to do that, as you have a visual guide to work from...
nothing ventured, nothing gained, as they say...

this is all just my personal opinion...
if you guys don't want to put out an effort above and beyond, that's cool...
minis are something i love to work on, not a means to get in a game, since i don't play...
cutting, shaving, sculpting, painting, and all the other things that go into producing an awesome end result, is part of a very enjoyable process...
that process is something that i try to get better at each day...

cheers
jah

OgreChubbs wrote:
The runes are a embodiment of khorne himself, to have a khorne daemon without his mark would be to take away their fathers genes that creat them. As much as my children carry my blue eyes his children carry his markings. So long story short omg stop complaining for like 5 mintues gone for a month came back and you guyys are still riding the same dead horse.

Who's complaining? I see a lot of mixed comments, some positive and some negative. Or does a negative comment about the model warrant immediately calling out "stop complaining!"

Seriously, I see complaints about models from all sorts of companies- WM/H, Corvus Beli, Alien Front's All Quiet on the Martian Front, etc. etc. but there never seems to be this group of people who just cannot handle others voicing their approvals or misgivings about a particular model. I think everyone is entitled to make their particular comment on what they think about the model, since this is a forum and it's all about discussion. I think there are many great things about the model- the overall look in my opinion is very nice and imposing. I think he obviously needs some Khornate symbols on him since it's fluffy and helps identify the model further. But there's a different between a couple of Khorne symbols here and there and giving him chainmail where every individual chain is a khorne symbol-obviously not the case here but you get the point that there is a threshold at which we can probably say "that's quite sufficient." I think that in this case we went past that point about 5 Khorne symbols before. Is it going to keep me from buying the model? Probably not, the biggest issue I have is the price. But either way, it's entirely valid for people to make their feelings known without others complaining about it.

@Jah, obviously time is all relative. The time it would take me to shave off the icons would be a significant chunk of the time I'd spend on the model as a whole and would probably be all the free hobby time I have for a week. So I'd rather they not be there.

I understand that being a big centrepiece model some people will want to spend a lot of time on it, personally I would want to be spending not much more than 30 hours on the model as a whole, obviously it's hard to guess what shaving those icons off would take, I'd be guessing at least a couple of hours, maybe more.

Well, seeing as how there's no option to build Skarbrand... oh who am I kidding this has been a long time coming. Now the desperate masses will stop having to use balrogs, ultraforge (which is what I'd use) and that god-awful 3rd edition sculpt.

Now let's see the other 3!

I think this is an awesome looking miniature. It's not perfect but it's dynamic and full of detail. A high quality model no doubt. The head variants are cool, and I like the one that's painted black on GW's site.

From the big and expensive GW model category I think it's a lot better than atleast the Wraithknight.

I'm with Therion on this. I think it looks great. I'm almost tempted to buy two!

Not what I meant, what I mean is think of the icons as their blue eyes. Khorne is that symbol and that symbol is passed onto his kids. It can't be helped for he is khorne and those are khorne. The symbols and the being are one and the same, one can not exist with out the other.

I'm hoping that if the two-handed axe gets rules for 40k its x2 strength, two-handed, with maybe armorbane to boot.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Well, seeing as how there's no option to build Skarbrand... oh who am I kidding this has been a long time coming. Now the desperate masses will stop having to use balrogs, ultraforge (which is what I'd use) and that god-awful 3rd edition sculpt.

Now let's see the other 3!

I ordered one today and I'm really tempted to build it as Scarbrand. A pretty easy conversion I think.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm with Therion on this. I think it looks great. I'm almost tempted to buy two!

I basically agree as well. My quibbles are with the prancing leg position, the silly fire terrain bit, and a couple bits (head, the hammer-flail) just look kinda silly. But there's alot to like, and some good conversion material in there. This last point is one of my main concerns anyhow.

-C6