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 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And you think that they would legitimately have kits around for 6 months?

I honestly wouldn't put anything past them.

As it stands, the rumor is that they are going to do "Limited Edition kits" with shelf lives of 6 months(or until the production run sells out). That's ridiculous to take at anywhere near face value, unless we're talking about things somehow tied in to campaign boxes or things of that nature like we have seen with 40k.

Now if the rumor were that they were going to change the distribution model for new kits, and have them be in stores for 6 months before going Direct Only?
That is a believable rumor.

Nah the believable idea is your previous supposition: That GW will release random campaign boxes with models and rules supplements at a pretty good value as a way to get into the hobby, like they've done in 40K. The Deathstorm box is great.

Damnit people, this is how rumors get twisted!

The actual rumor right now is that any new units, profiles, etc? They will be limited edition kits with an existence of 6 months.

Not the same thing as campaign boxes!

 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And you think that they would legitimately have kits around for 6 months?

I honestly wouldn't put anything past them.

As it stands, the rumor is that they are going to do "Limited Edition kits" with shelf lives of 6 months(or until the production run sells out). That's ridiculous to take at anywhere near face value, unless we're talking about things somehow tied in to campaign boxes or things of that nature like we have seen with 40k.

Now if the rumor were that they were going to change the distribution model for new kits, and have them be in stores for 6 months before going Direct Only?
That is a believable rumor.

But those plastic characters kits only have one run too.... And there plastic.....
But yeah I'm being padantic.

Well I think we both have our opinions you have yours and I have mine. I'm sorry if I came across as harsh or snobby. A bad day and forums do not mix


Yeah Godzilla is still eating the trash in my city

 Kanluwen wrote:
And you think that they would legitimately have kits around for 6 months?

Why not?

They have already made plastic kits for limited edition models and then destroyed the whole lot.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And you think that they would legitimately have kits around for 6 months?

Why not?

They have already made plastic kits for limited edition models and then destroyed the whole lot.

We actually don't know that for certain.

The characters from the two campaign boxes and the Terminator Captain from the Strike Force Ultra were listed as "currently available only in this set".
The two Space Marine Captains that they had as Webstore exclusives for orders just vanished, there's no specifics as to whether they were destroyed or not.

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 Platuan4th wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I wonder if they're going to borrow anything from KoW rules set?

I hope not.

KOW is focused on fast, simple rules based around units not monsters, magic and characters.

I know what KoW is focused on, thanks, and it's a game I find mind numbingly boring and uninteresting where the models are tokens used to determine a foot print and not actual models.

Has anyone heard any details about a "Bloodtide of Khorne" release? I'm assuming it's a bundle of some kind. Retails for $130 US.

 Eldarain wrote:
Has anyone heard any details about a "Bloodtide of Khorne" release? I'm assuming it's a bundle of some kind. Retails for $130 US.

Was it specifically labeled for Fantasy or for 40k?

Fantasy. Thinking it might be a couple boxes of the new infantry and Axe/Flail guy. But was hoping for confirmation.

You're usually looking at 800-1k points, so maybe?

So it seems like chaos simply won and they have cleared the way to reboot the game. If so, perhaps it was simply to conclude the game and give it an actual ending before starting from scratch.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Well, if our one lonely special snowflake hero does end up being Draigo coming out the other end of Chaos, who knows what the guy is capable of at that point?

Plus I thought whatever we see in 9th is going to be some time after... time ended. Like centuries and stuff. Good chance for new fluff to start, especially with all the aftermath of what's occurred and how the various factions plan on rebuilding.

Considering the talk about other worlds, I'd say at most the world ended, but not the whole universe.

And even that isn't something that is automatically the end of everything.

When the world is an integral part of the setting, yes it is.

We're not talking about the equivalent of the old philosophical conundrum about the broom here(if you replace this bit and that bit of a broom over many years as they break or wear out until eventually none of the original parts remain, is it still the same broom?), we're talking about breaking the broom in half over your knee, stomping up and down on the remains until they're splinters, burning the splinters, then going out and buying a hoover. Yes, you still technically possess a device for cleaning your floor, but trying to pretend it's even remotely the same is the height of sophistry.

They've already been pulling that broom thing over a few decades now. Let's be honest, the game isn't the same thing a number of people bought into, and while some don't mind the changes, others have.

This is just (potentially) the most drastic change for the game so far.

I don't accept that line of argument sorry. Both Fantasy and 40K have been pretty stable at their core for a long time now, which is proper given they are settings not stories. GW were selling plastic pseudo-Landsknecht soldiers with puffy sleeves back in the early 90's, that's more than 20 years ago, and the fluff for the various human societies had been around for several years even at that point. Once they nailed down the basic shape and themes of both worlds, the changes have been tinkering - a retcon here, a new race or unit there - what is happening now is not changing the existing IP, it is replacing it. Eradicating it.

The world is gone, the factions are gone, the characters are gone, the nation states are gone, if the rumoured motivations are correct then most of the thematic ties to our own history will be gone and the overall aesthetic will also be different. All the things that make Warhammer Fantasy, Warhammer Fantasy will be gone.

Allegedly...

 pretre wrote:
Allegedly...

I love you so much for that.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Well, if our one lonely special snowflake hero does end up being Draigo coming out the other end of Chaos, who knows what the guy is capable of at that point?

Plus I thought whatever we see in 9th is going to be some time after... time ended. Like centuries and stuff. Good chance for new fluff to start, especially with all the aftermath of what's occurred and how the various factions plan on rebuilding.

Considering the talk about other worlds, I'd say at most the world ended, but not the whole universe.

And even that isn't something that is automatically the end of everything.

When the world is an integral part of the setting, yes it is.

We're not talking about the equivalent of the old philosophical conundrum about the broom here(if you replace this bit and that bit of a broom over many years as they break or wear out until eventually none of the original parts remain, is it still the same broom?), we're talking about breaking the broom in half over your knee, stomping up and down on the remains until they're splinters, burning the splinters, then going out and buying a hoover. Yes, you still technically possess a device for cleaning your floor, but trying to pretend it's even remotely the same is the height of sophistry.

Exactly. At the end of the book, they explicitly destroyed everything. Every character, every army, every living thing in the Warhammer world is dead. For them to bring back any of the current kits, they have to engage in a serious erasure of what they've just written.

In a way, it makes sense. One of the rumors for this new edition is that they'll be implementing short-run, limited edition kits that will only be available for a short time and then gone forever. What if the End Times kits are the first of these?

If they release WHFB 9Ed and just dismiss the End Times like they did Storm of Chaos and leave the game relatively unchanged then I think that would almost be worse than just destroying the game and starting over completely new.

It really, really, really, really, really, really wouldn't.

Yes, actually, it would. Between all the books and models released for this one event, only to be undone in a fashion that smacks of 'Dallas' would be viewed as an insult to many gamers. Hell, even Storm of Chaos being retconned out of existence is looked down upon by many vets. We've spent the last half-year getting engrossed by this awesome story, and for GW to dream it all away will cheapen the whole bloody thing.

I know you're still steamed about GW allegedly taking a huge steaming dump on your WFRP campaign - again, you can ignore End Times for that - but for those of us who invested both financially and emotionally into the End Times, forgetting it happened would be a slap in the face.

 Eldarain wrote:
Has anyone heard any details about a "Bloodtide of Khorne" release? I'm assuming it's a bundle of some kind. Retails for $130 US.

BOLS just posted this:

Do IA books usually show up in WD like that?

[EDIT]: Hold the phone... how much is Bloody McBlooderson? AUD$50? US$30? How much bigger is this guy than Gutrot, who costs half that in Aussie dollars. WTF GW?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do IA books usually show up in WD like that?

[EDIT]: Hold the phone... how much is Bloody McBlooderson? AUD$50? US$30? How much bigger is this guy than Gutrot, who costs half that in Aussie dollars. WTF GW?

It's really your own fault for not expecting that.

Edit: On the US site, Spume is $26

But they've doubled the price. WTF?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But they've doubled the price. WTF?

GW are convinced it was you Aussies that kicked their puppy.

But for months now GW prices in the US and UK have been catching up with Oz's (over)prices. Now they're suddenly making Oz prices jump out ahead again? It makes no damned sense.

I mean I don't care about this model - it's a terrible model with a stupid name and rules - but with AdMech and the potential for Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults around the corner, this matters.

4 of him are the same cost as the Blood tide... what on earth.

Makes no damned sense. What a complete (bloody!) rip off.

I am not kidding when I say the people that designed (art and miniature) and the people that greenlighted the design for Skarr Bloodwrath should be fired.

That is by far the stupidest design GW have made to date. I raged at the hammer-whip on the bloodthirster and I am now just utterly lost for words on how to describe the absolute seething, soul-burning hatred that wells up when I see them charging $50 for something that wouldn't make it on an episode of freakin' AXE COP.

I hate it. My blood boils and my cup overfloweth with a rage not even Khorne could hope to contain nor even comprehend.

The only way to protect their IP is to create new models that look terrible!

 Kirasu wrote:
The only way to protect their IP is to create new models that look terrible!

You know, an old friend of mine once had a theory that the way they sold the ugly as sin models was by making them so brokenly stupid in rules terms that they became must haves...

We were quite eagerly waiting for Lemartes...then they just went and resculpted him.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


You know, an old friend of mine once had a theory that the way they sold the ugly as sin models was by making them so brokenly stupid in rules terms that they became must haves...

We were quite eagerly waiting for Lemartes...then they just went and resculpted him.

Which is why CSM Mutilators have been sweeping all tournaments for the past 2 years.

Could be a typo in WD, otherwise... ridiculous price for a single miniature

Warhams-77 wrote:
Could be a typo in WD, otherwise... ridiculous price for a single miniature

I don't think its a typo. It's the same price you pay for ... say ... the plastic Space Marine Librarian/Captain.

It's the top of their single-sprue price-range, usually reserved for Marines, but it's not without precedent.

Still ridiculous.

Yes, but I meant the difference between AUS$/NZ$ and the other currencies which is so much more. The single character models are expensive here but that 'down-under' price is... like... stealing from people. I know Australia/NZ have always had to pay more but that is a huge gap