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 Big Blind Bill wrote:
I'm just going to put this here:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2faq.pdf
Valkyrie squadrons all round!

(Edit: this is a good thing, as you do not have to take them as dedicated transports, meaning allied squads can ride them into battle now).

Personally my favourite unit for Inquisition atm is a rhino with 2 meltagun acolytes, and a psyker.

For 73 points they are an absolute steal.

I use psychic shriek with the psyker (we don't roll to hit with it), so it makes the rhino able to move 12 and still do some damage.

Ahhh, I did look for an update pdf, but obviously I'm just blind

However, allies can only take them if they are battle brothers, meaning space marines and Guard. Who get them anyway? So kinda irrelevant. Except for freeing up FOC slots.

Although as inquisition have no fast attack slots at all I'm not sure how that works...


Edit: Nevermind, I read the FAQ, they explain it. Might be useful.


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I have seen a few places that have recommended the following (I'm cutting and pasting this from one particular place, but I've seen similar ideas elsewhere) :

"6 warrior acolytes with 3 bolters and 3 plasmaguns mounted in a Razorback with the stock twin-heavy bolter with psybolt ammo comes in under 120 points and is pretty badass. 3 S6 heavybolter shots with rerolls and 3 plasmaguns."


...but I dont get it. Sure razorbacks are fine in themselves, but why the acolytes? They can't shoot while theyre in the razorback, so I'm guessing theyre meant to deploy in the enemy's face and unleash those plasma gun shots... but then they will die, as 6 acolytes are not hard to kill. Would seem like having them in a chimere (or even a rhino) so they can shoot from a safe place is better? Unless I'm missing something

Yeah, that suggestion is silly. The Assault cannon adds +1S, an extra shot, and rending, and there's no reason to add 3 bolter acolytes. They won't make the plasma gunners any more likely to survive. The 3 plasma gunner unit isn't meant to stay in safety and shoot, it's meant to pay 42 points for 6 S7 AP2 shots once per game and force one enemy unit to spend its attacks for a turn.

It's because 15pts for 6 extra bolter shots and the chance of tanking wounds for the plasma gunners if the opponent doesn't manage to kill all 6, is more than worth it. If the opponent only manages to kill 5 for example, then you have saved 1 plasma gunner (14pts) so have only paid 1pt for 6 bolter shots (as you wouldn't have that 14pt model if you hadn't invested in 15pts of bolter acolytes). If the opponent kills less then you have saved points due to the plasma gunners still being alive.
Also you can drop off the acolytes on an objective and move off with the razorback. You are more likely to survive with 6 acolytes in cover than you are with 3.

Honestly, 12 points for carapace armor might be better.

 SkrawnyNob wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:
Let's see:

Psychotrope grenades, rad nades, psykout nades psycullom, dual wield needle pistols, dual wield daemonblades, servoskulls, Liber Heriticus, psycannon on an IC, etc..all great

Daemonblade is two-handed IIRC. Why would you dual-wield them? Unless you do it for a second set of rolls on the random table and use whichever you like better for that turn?

But yeah, otherwise I love and have used every other item in this list. It gets hard after a while deciding which to cut to make points up somewhere else.

Some of the benefits of the daemonblade powers don't require you to actually strike with the blade to work. Unholy speed, Deathlust, Dark resurrection, and familiar are the honeypots. Not super efficient with 15 points but who knows, it's a gamble.

For my horde AM army, I'm thinking of using buffing squads of the following:

3 plasma guns, 1 psyker, 8 bolter acolytes. The psyker will roll on telepathy for psychic shriek (or possibly divination or even daemonology malefic if I feel like it!)

I quite like having a go at summoning some daemons - the psyker will die, but who cares if he brings another 90 odd points of models to the table for 10pts? It could be used to represent a radical by-any-means inquistor too which would be fun!

Also, a buffing inquisitor for blobs is good - rad greandes, ML1, servos skulls, liber hereticus (for scout and hatred) and possibly psychotroke grenades make for a pretty mean unit in CC.

 DoomMouse wrote:
For my horde AM army, I'm thinking of using buffing squads of the following:

3 plasma guns, 1 psyker, 8 bolter acolytes. The psyker will roll on telepathy for psychic shriek (or possibly divination or even daemonology malefic if I feel like it!)

I quite like having a go at summoning some daemons - the psyker will die, but who cares if he brings another 90 odd points of models to the table for 10pts? It could be used to represent a radical by-any-means inquistor too which would be fun!

Also, a buffing inquisitor for blobs is good - rad greandes, ML1, servos skulls, liber hereticus (for scout and hatred) and possibly psychotroke grenades make for a pretty mean unit in CC.

Inquisitor psykers cannot summon daemons, check the list of powers they can choose from.

Check page 28 of the BRB. Rules for daemonology state:

'unless otherwise stated all psykers besides tyranids can generate powers from the daemonology discipline'

So I think they can.... Although they'll still perils on any double, so every time you try and summon you'll pretty much kill the psyker haha

Also, while thinking of how they can boost guard armies I think Coteaz is a great substitute for a primaris psyker - he costs 25pts more but gains: LD10, stubborn, 2+ save, extra wound, nemesis daemon hammer, extra attack, half-decent shooting weapon, pseudo-interceptor rule and re-roll to seize. He's quite a good addition to a guard blob, no-ones going to want to deep strike too close

Their Codex tells us exactly what powers they can take, I guess that qualifies as "unless stated otherwise".

That's because their codex was created in 6th before demonology was around. There are many 6th ed codexes that couldn't take demonology if we say that.

Their e-Codex clearly says Daemonology (Sanctic).
The latest version is from june 2014, after 7th.

Oh well, I guess that would imply they're only supposed to take from sanctic, though RAW it doesn't actually disclude it - saying they can take sanctic doesn't necessarily say they can't take malefic and the rulebook says any book can take it unless stated otherwise

I won't bother using the summoning powers anyway then - seems like an oversight in wording to me and a bit unfair to take advantage of.

Yeah, whatever you decide I think it is important to correctly read the digital Codex.
In the old version they had specific powers like Hammerhand, now they have to roll on the table.

Ahhh. Right. Didn't realise they had re-released it for 7th. Does that mean it has to be bought again?

I think you have to re-download it, not sure how that works.

Yeh, the "unless otherwise stated" would be for older codices that dont mention daemonology. The Inquisition codex does mention daemonology, and says that psykers etc can take (Sanctic). So seems to be sanctic only.

Which makes sense, for the Inquisition. Though saying that, they still use daemonhosts and alien monkeys so it's not like they're particularly consistent.

And Daemonblades, let's not forget Daemonblades.
Summoning a demon and inserting it into a human is fine.
Summoning a demon. Well, that is heresy!

I don't get the Inquisition.. No wonder I prefer my Xenos.

Kangodo wrote:
And Daemonblades, let's not forget Daemonblades.
Summoning a demon and inserting it into a human is fine.
Summoning a demon. Well, that is heresy!

I don't get the Inquisition.. No wonder I prefer my Xenos.

Yes, true, daemonblades.

Summoning a daemon, inserting it into a sword, and then inserting that sword into other humans, is also fine.

When was an "Inquisition" not hypocritical?

Report for mind-wipe Wednesday.

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I did think it'd sort of fit with the theme a bit. I quite liked fighting chaos with chaos!

If anyone else has any tactics for using inquisition with guard I'd like to hear them though - they are very versatile!

What about Ordo Malleus with Incinerator, attached to Veterans armed with Heavy Flamer, two flamers, and shotguns? Equip with melee weapons or krak and melta as desired. Oh, and dare the enemy to face your overwatch.

With AM, the tactic I've seen used is an Hereticus Inquisitor with nothing but Null Rod.
Stick in the biggest blob you have for Ld10 Stubborn and psychic immunity.