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Slightly different, in this case you would be looking at acodex that 100% of your opponents use if you'd just read those rules.

What are the methods of talking to someone in an abusive relationship?

Yep, this is the poster child for 7th edition unbound lists.

Necron croissants, some wave serpents, some Tau in general, some Ork Lootas and maybe a Imperial Knight and that guy's army would be complete.

Yeah, someone who feels they do not need a rulebook is because they figure they can make things up as they go.

Nothing could convince me to play anyone like that, faced someone like that before, never again.

No help can be given, this is a WAAC player in their native habitat, he smells your desperation and is exploiting it.

It will never be a friendly game.

Move-on.

 Talizvar wrote:
What are the methods of talking to someone in an abusive relationship?

Yep, this is the poster child for 7th edition unbound lists.

Necron croissants, some wave serpents, some Tau in general, some Ork Lootas and maybe a Imperial Knight and that guy's army would be complete.

Yeah, someone who feels they do not need a rulebook is because they figure they can make things up as they go.

Nothing could convince me to play anyone like that, faced someone like that before, never again.

No help can be given, this is a WAAC player in their native habitat, he smells your desperation and is exploiting it.

It will never be a friendly game.

Move-on.

This, 100%. Bro, he's taking you for a ride and you're letting him do it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/597998.page

^at the very least, use this. Ebay some starter set rules. Having a ridiculous unbound army is too expensive, but $25 for a starter rulebook is too much. C'mon man, leave this guy behind before he drives you out of the hobby.

 Verviedi wrote:

I know almost all the rules, except for that one and maybe some stuff about buildings.
I view looking at stuff like that when you'll never use it like reading a Codex for an army nobody in the store has.

No offense, but that point of view clearly doesn't stand, and the way you're saying it is quite.. prickish.

"I know almost all the rules.. except some stuff about buildings, oh and that one."

I highly doubt this is the only non-building rule in the entire BRB that you don't know, and despite what you may have thought about rules you wouldn't use, it clearly came into play. No one is saying memorize the whole BRB so you can write it down on a sheet of paper, but glancing at bits as a game is getting setup ("Oh you're using allies? Let me just take a quick gander at the allies matrix and rules, just to make sure there's nothing I'm missing.") will only help you, never harm.
EDIT: To restate my earlier point, and to once-again spout off what other people are say: Lose him and use the tools provided / networking to find some other people to play with. You say that "carpooling is not an option" and I ask why - probably parents honestly. But even without that, wargamers tend to be a pretty friendly bunch. You could probably find some people in short driving distance who'd be willing to pop in / meet you somewhere neutral in order to get a few games off here and there... If you'd only stop telling us why you can't play with anyone but that guy, and actually dedicated some time to trying to find people to play with other than that guy, you may get surprisingly good results.

 Robisagg wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
What are the methods of talking to someone in an abusive relationship?

Yep, this is the poster child for 7th edition unbound lists.

Necron croissants, some wave serpents, some Tau in general, some Ork Lootas and maybe a Imperial Knight and that guy's army would be complete.

Yeah, someone who feels they do not need a rulebook is because they figure they can make things up as they go.

Nothing could convince me to play anyone like that, faced someone like that before, never again.

No help can be given, this is a WAAC player in their native habitat, he smells your desperation and is exploiting it.

It will never be a friendly game.

Move-on.

This, 100%. Bro, he's taking you for a ride and you're letting him do it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/597998.page

^at the very least, use this. Ebay some starter set rules. Having a ridiculous unbound army is too expensive, but $25 for a starter rulebook is too much. C'mon man, leave this guy behind before he drives you out of the hobby.

I printed FAQs and got "The Internet Is Lies"ed until the GW store manager said that they were 100% true. There is no way he would let me use Arbitorian's stuff.
Is there at least a way to rehabilitate him?
He is literally my only personal friend and has been for ~7 years.

Do what others suggested, demand army swap for a dozen games. Either demand he buys a rulebook, or buy him one for Christmas. At the end of the day, losing a friend over game is a fething slowed way to lose a friend. If he refuses to play the game in an honest and fun way, just don't play the game.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Robisagg wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
What are the methods of talking to someone in an abusive relationship?

Yep, this is the poster child for 7th edition unbound lists.

Necron croissants, some wave serpents, some Tau in general, some Ork Lootas and maybe a Imperial Knight and that guy's army would be complete.

Yeah, someone who feels they do not need a rulebook is because they figure they can make things up as they go.

Nothing could convince me to play anyone like that, faced someone like that before, never again.

No help can be given, this is a WAAC player in their native habitat, he smells your desperation and is exploiting it.

It will never be a friendly game.

Move-on.

This, 100%. Bro, he's taking you for a ride and you're letting him do it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/597998.page

^at the very least, use this. Ebay some starter set rules. Having a ridiculous unbound army is too expensive, but $25 for a starter rulebook is too much. C'mon man, leave this guy behind before he drives you out of the hobby.

I printed FAQs and got "The Internet Is Lies"ed until the GW store manager said that they were 100% true. There is no way he would let me use Arbitorian's stuff.
Is there at least a way to rehabilitate him?
He is literally my only personal friend and has been for ~7 years.

If hes that close of a friend, buy a rulebook, and let him use it during games. Don't be a doormat to his cheating just cause he's a buddy, and maybe do some non-40k stuff together. Who knows, maybe his gaming attitude will be different if you guys grab lunch beforehand?

Several things, so just listing them out.

A) He complains about terrain not looking right but doesn't even prime his models? Demand all models used are fully painted. BAM.
B) Does he actually own codexes for anything? I doubt it if he doesn't have a rulebook. No codex=can't play because he doesn't actually know the rules. As for the rulebook, I highly doubt he knows the rules unless he's playing elsewhere too.
C) Unless he has invisibility active that turn, his paladins should get mulched by your terminators in CC since they both go at the same initiative but his have no invul (also the apothecary would be worthless since FNP doesn't work on instant death).
D) Don't tell him what army you're bringing anymore. "Surprise" him every time.
E) Is he actually even a decent friend? If he treats you like that, it may be worth asking yourself that. I've seen way too many people stuck with a friend or friendgroup because it was easier to stay with them than go, but who were dragged down terribly by them.

 troa wrote:

C) Unless he has invisibility active that turn, his paladins should get mulched by your terminators in CC since they both go at the same initiative but his have no invul (also the apothecary would be worthless since FNP doesn't work on instant death).

I thought pallies are 2 wound 4++

No, 2 wound 5++. They got no buffs this codex, and a nerf in the fact that you can't take them solo anymore, and they are only ml1.

And on top of that they no longer get a discount on terminator weapons.

 Verviedi wrote:

I know almost all the rules, except for that one and maybe some stuff about buildings.
I view looking at stuff like that when you'll never use it like reading a Codex for an army nobody in the store has.

Just a quick note; if neither of you know the rules your not really playing 40k. If you don't know the rules that are going to be a major impact in your game (in this instance the allies rule) then you can't really complain about him being the way he is as neither of you are taking the time to understand the game. But saying that its quite obvious he's being a bit of a douche.

1) he has all these armies and models..... but cant afford a rulebook? yeh.... right.... bullpoo
2) He is proxying, lootas? painboy? I saw a mumbojumbo of orks in a unit, unpainted, thats fine for a few games, heck its fine forever. But not when he's simply ruining the hobby for you. Tell him he can't proxy, make him make a list with what he actually has, not only will that limit his his WAAC powers, but he'll be forced to actually think about his units; instead of grabbing cheese, cheese, cheese.
3) None of his stuff is painted? tell him can only play whats painted, then when he can't actually play any longer adjust the parameters of your gaming relationship so you have more power and control over the fact he is exploiting you.
4) Read up on your rules. just spend a little time here and there. You need to be actively aware in your games, start by rules lawyering him, pick him up on his mistakes. Allies rules, moving a stunned LR... and im sure all the other horrendous rules hes abusing and making up. In honesty it actually sounds like hes actively cheating, or simply knows none of the actual rules. In general, the problem will be if he's cheating, he won't stop, ever. Even if he got a rule book i have a feeling he'd simply continue where he can, because winning is whats important to him, beyond your friendship; that much is clear.

And most importantly
1) Help yourself!
We can come on this forum every day, every week, explain what rules you missed, explain why he couldn't do X or Y, but in reality, nothing will change unless you make moves to change them. There has been plenty of good advice here on how to find new gamers, how to suggest he changes and how to have an enjoyable game. Work with it

2) Next game, dont bring any models, bring a box of cheese. Some stilton, cheddar and maybe some pamasean. Put them in your deployment zone and when he asks what they are tell him there your Imperial Knights, or your wave spam list, whatever you want your flavour of cheese to be. When he complains; ask him where his rulebook is. If he don't want to play then say lets go home. When he does play, Cheat, lie and annhilate him, tell him that your D str weapons actually allow you to bring a mallet and hit his units, whatever breaks is whats dead. When he complains ask him to prove its not a rule with "his" rulebook. At the end of the game as he sits there crying, casually walk over to him, push him to his knees, gently cup his chin and lift his head so you can see his salty tears streaming down his face and tell him he is now your she-dog and this is his life from now on.

Abit far? I really got into writing that!

 troa wrote:
Several things, so just listing them out.

A) He complains about terrain not looking right but doesn't even prime his models? Demand all models used are fully painted. BAM.
B) Does he actually own codexes for anything? I doubt it if he doesn't have a rulebook. No codex=can't play because he doesn't actually know the rules. As for the rulebook, I highly doubt he knows the rules unless he's playing elsewhere too.
C) Unless he has invisibility active that turn, his paladins should get mulched by your terminators in CC since they both go at the same initiative but his have no invul (also the apothecary would be worthless since FNP doesn't work on instant death).
D) Don't tell him what army you're bringing anymore. "Surprise" him every time.
E) Is he actually even a decent friend? If he treats you like that, it may be worth asking yourself that. I've seen way too many people stuck with a friend or friendgroup because it was easier to stay with them than go, but who were dragged down terribly by them.

A)This will not work. This person will never paint a single model. His excuses are the following:
1. Unpainted looks better than painted because it is clean and all the detail is exposed. Paint just makes the model messy.
2. Painting isn't fun, and I don't have any money to get them painted.
Saying all models must be painted will just screw things up and make him mad.

B) He has the Codexes.

C) The Assault Termies got mulched by the Berzerkers, and Dreadknight first. There was only one left at I1.

D) Good idea, and I will do it. I <3 opague boxes.

E) Usually. I go to his house and we play CoD or something a lot.

 Verviedi wrote:

A)This will not work. This person will never paint a single model. His excuses are the following:
1. Unpainted looks better than painted because it is clean and all the detail is exposed. Paint just makes the model messy.
2. Painting isn't fun, and I don't have any money to get them painted.
Saying all models must be painted will just screw things up and make him mad.

its fair enough that you can say, ok I understand painting isn't required, but then alteast say 'look ..insert name...., I get you dont want to paint and so forth, that it takes alot of itme, but in that respect can you alteast sit down with me and go through the rules?

Last game we missed a couple important rules, they didn't "make" you win, but if were gona play this game we need to play it right. Would you play CoD against a guy who could walk through walls and would constantly headshot you? You'd leave and find another game. I currently feel like I don't want to play anymore because we aren't playing fairly, im not blaming you, but in general we both need to take a little more time so that we can truly get into this game and get it right.

how do you feel about this ....insert name....?'

Every human being is capable of a calm and open discussion, but if he really gets mad even when you are in your calmest most flexible mood, in honesty, he may be your only friend, but you are worth more than that. In school from like age like 11-17 I had 2 best friends, we walked to school together, we walked back, we played together every lunch with another 2-3 people. Yet outside of school they never once (maybe like 2-3 times in total) asked to do anything with me, but they hungout together almost everyday at one of their houses; which was less than 200m from mine. When I hit 6th form (school from like 17-18) I decided I wanted a change, I simply went out and talked to other people, someone who became a good friend hadn't even realised id been at that same school with him for 6 years I was that unknown. I now have an amazing friends group, it changed a few times, but i've never looked back. I now have more friends than I can imagine and with my GF its actually difficult to see them all.

All in all, be yourself and push for what you want, don't simply stick yourself with the idea that your current situation is the only situation.

Personally I don't think his army is that cheesy. In fact it's very beatable. You must be getting sucked into shooting at invisible paladins. DO NOT DO THIS. I don't know a lot about necrons but I know an army with heavy wraiths would crush this army. Get into CC with those vehicals and then you have nothing to worry about.

My army would be 10 times cheesier at this point lvl.

Id have 2 imperial knights 3 dreadknights and a draigo star.

OP, maybe I should make this gaming relationship a bit more clear based on my own experience:
The time you beat him 2-3 games in a row is probably when you will not hear from him again.
Until that time, he will cheese, mis-read the rules and out and out cheat to prevent that.
You are only there to feed his ego, when you no longer perform that function it will be over.
Look up "narcissist" it may provide some clarity:http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.ca/

My "friend" I learned this stuff from started printing out pictures of models and pasting them to hardboard to "try stuff out" that became his stock army.
I threatened to plunk down a picture/hardboard Warhound one day, he almost lost his mind... I told him I had access to a 4' long printer so I could go bigger...
Funny how it was OK for him to run to a lower standard but my stuff had to look awesome.

Just look at what he gives himself permission to do and do the same, that at least can provide some amusement until the fateful day arrives.
It is rather maddening to hear you submit yourself to this person, you are enabling him, basically rewarding him for bad behavior because you are letting it happen so it must be OK (and he thinks you deserve what you get if you do not stand up for yourself).

I am sure the person seems nice enough usually, try taking a break and socialize only, pursue hobby stuff, no gaming for a while and see him start gnashing at the teeth for his next "win" fix.

If this person is a proper "friend" time spent doing stuff other than competitive gaming should be enough right?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Personally I don't think his army is that cheesy. In fact it's very beatable. You must be getting sucked into shooting at invisible paladins. DO NOT DO THIS. I don't know a lot about necrons but I know an army with heavy wraiths would crush this army. Get into CC with those vehicals and then you have nothing to worry about.

My army would be 10 times cheesier at this point lvl.

Id have 2 imperial knights 3 dreadknights and a draigo star.

I know who I'm not playing against if I encounter them.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Personally I don't think his army is that cheesy. In fact it's very beatable. You must be getting sucked into shooting at invisible paladins. DO NOT DO THIS. I don't know a lot about necrons but I know an army with heavy wraiths would crush this army. Get into CC with those vehicals and then you have nothing to worry about.

My army would be 10 times cheesier at this point lvl.

Id have 2 imperial knights 3 dreadknights and a draigo star.

I know who I'm not playing against if I encounter them.

Is it QuickJager? He's the poster child of Grey Knight related cheese.

SGTPozy wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Personally I don't think his army is that cheesy. In fact it's very beatable. You must be getting sucked into shooting at invisible paladins. DO NOT DO THIS. I don't know a lot about necrons but I know an army with heavy wraiths would crush this army. Get into CC with those vehicals and then you have nothing to worry about.

My army would be 10 times cheesier at this point lvl.

Id have 2 imperial knights 3 dreadknights and a draigo star.

I know who I'm not playing against if I encounter them.

Is it QuickJager? He's the poster child of Grey Knight related cheese.

Ding!

Lol don't worry I get to enjoy Pozy's whine with my cheese and crackers.

As many others have advised here, this is not a tactical case this is a case of GET RID OF THAT FRIEND.

Life is too short to put up with that kind of crap. What are you getting out of that relationship because it sounds like utter misery to you.

Who's worrying? Also, you're cheese so that's cannibalism.


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The relationship between the OP and his opponent is a bit like Quckjager's and mine; we both think that the other can be a sometimes, but we still love each other!

Verviedi, this has got to be like the fourth thread you started about this guy. First there was the Tyranids/Tau thread, then another thread about replacing your army because he wouldn't play your Tyranids again after you got a second Flyrant and started beating him, then there was the "internet is lies" thread where you told us he said all formations are fake, and now you have your new Crons and he just plays the most unfluffy, spamtastic list imaginable (Berzerkers, Grey Knights and Lootas... together? WTF?).

I know you are still in high school, and I had a hard time finding good friends to play against in high school too. But seriously, you are really setting yourself up for continued disappointment here. It's time to move on - there are definitely other gamers out there, most of whom are cool folks who like to meet new opponents. I'm sure there are even a few in your area. Try posting on the local GW's facebook page or something, and resist the urge to let him come along. If he's stalking your facebook feed and calls you on it, just be like "dude, I thought it would be fun if we did some 2v2, but we need some fresh blood, so I thought it might be best if I go on this one alone."

 Asmodas wrote:
Verviedi, this has got to be like the fourth thread you started about this guy. First there was the Tyranids/Tau thread, then another thread about replacing your army because he wouldn't play your Tyranids again after you got a second Flyrant and started beating him, then there was the "internet is lies" thread where you told us he said all formations are fake, and now you have your new Crons and he just plays the most unfluffy, spamtastic list imaginable (Berzerkers, Grey Knights and Lootas... together? WTF?).

I know you are still in high school, and I had a hard time finding good friends to play against in high school too. But seriously, you are really setting yourself up for continued disappointment here. It's time to move on - there are definitely other gamers out there, most of whom are cool folks who like to meet new opponents. I'm sure there are even a few in your area. Try posting on the local GW's facebook page or something, and resist the urge to let him come along. If he's stalking your facebook feed and calls you on it, just be like "dude, I thought it would be fun if we did some 2v2, but we need some fresh blood, so I thought it might be best if I go on this one alone."

Perhaps its time to put the toys away, work out, get a chick and go party. dont miss out on that childhood

 Desubot wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:
Verviedi, this has got to be like the fourth thread you started about this guy. First there was the Tyranids/Tau thread, then another thread about replacing your army because he wouldn't play your Tyranids again after you got a second Flyrant and started beating him, then there was the "internet is lies" thread where you told us he said all formations are fake, and now you have your new Crons and he just plays the most unfluffy, spamtastic list imaginable (Berzerkers, Grey Knights and Lootas... together? WTF?).

I know you are still in high school, and I had a hard time finding good friends to play against in high school too. But seriously, you are really setting yourself up for continued disappointment here. It's time to move on - there are definitely other gamers out there, most of whom are cool folks who like to meet new opponents. I'm sure there are even a few in your area. Try posting on the local GW's facebook page or something, and resist the urge to let him come along. If he's stalking your facebook feed and calls you on it, just be like "dude, I thought it would be fun if we did some 2v2, but we need some fresh blood, so I thought it might be best if I go on this one alone."

Perhaps its time to put the toys away, work out, get a chick and go party. dont miss out on that childhood

Haha, exactly! Life is too short, and 40K is something that you can always come back to in the "extended adolescence" that some folks for some reason call "being an adult."

 Asmodas wrote:
Verviedi, this has got to be like the fourth thread you started about this guy. First there was the Tyranids/Tau thread, then another thread about replacing your army because he wouldn't play your Tyranids again after you got a second Flyrant and started beating him,

Is that how that ended? Oh dear, he got the flyrant started to win and the dude made 'you' change army... oh my days if that was the case I dunno what to say.

Solar Shock wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:
Verviedi, this has got to be like the fourth thread you started about this guy. First there was the Tyranids/Tau thread, then another thread about replacing your army because he wouldn't play your Tyranids again after you got a second Flyrant and started beating him,

Is that how that ended? Oh dear, he got the flyrant started to win and the dude made 'you' change army... oh my days if that was the case I dunno what to say.

Further evidence of what I said: when he starts beating the guy there are two choices: change and start losing again and all is well, or the guy drops him like a hot rock since his ego is getting pummeled.

 Talizvar wrote:

Solar Shock wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:
Verviedi, this has got to be like the fourth thread you started about this guy. First there was the Tyranids/Tau thread, then another thread about replacing your army because he wouldn't play your Tyranids again after you got a second Flyrant and started beating him,

Is that how that ended? Oh dear, he got the flyrant started to win and the dude made 'you' change army... oh my days if that was the case I dunno what to say.

Further evidence of what I said: when he starts beating the guy there are two choices: change and start losing again and all is well, or the guy drops him like a hot rock since his ego is getting pummeled.

Which is a shame because smooth, warm rocks are nice to hold against your cheek.

Relevant to the topic, I am selling my IG and possibly Necrons, depending on the viability of the new codex.
Is there any army that can wreck this guy? I am not really interested in Eldar or Tyranids, and Daemon are hard to paint.

<sigh>
OP: good luck!

 Talizvar wrote:
<sigh>
OP: good luck!

Did I do something wrong?