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So now that the DE codex has venoms and raiders as Fast Attack, does this mean that you can finally put the Harlies in a super vast assault vehicle?

Harlequins are often looked at as sub-optimal, but I know many people have the models simply because of how cool they are. Would this make them a little more viable?

Using an Eldar and Dark Eldar allied force, what would be the most effective way to use this combo?

Harlies in a raider or a venom?
Or harlies with a Dark Eldar HQ and webway portal?

It would make them more viable for sure but I doubt they'll make up their points. Their poor toughness and saves makes them very fragile, even in combat. I'd rather put Striking Scorpions into an assault vehicle because they'll at least survive overwatch or a template weapon hitting the transport.

At the same time the speed and maneuverability gives you a chance of picking your fights instead of going up against something that would wreck there faces.

It also makes me wana run Howling banshies .

Well there you go, it looks like a lot of Eldar units could use assault vehicles.

And I do like the idea of scorpions riding in a raider or venom.

It seems like a good choice for the Venom: small expensive units in a fast shooty vehicle, seems like the right ride for Harlequins.
The Striking Scorpions I agree would be cool to see (better survival agreed) though Banshees would be epic looking.

Raiders/Venoms certainly makes Eldar assault units more viable, but the greater benefit is undoubtably to the likes of Fire Dragons and Wraithguard shooting from an open-topped transport.

I doubt Harlies with a WWP will be very good. You're getting a turn 3 charge at best and have to sit around for a turn getting shot.

ryuken87 wrote:
Raiders/Venoms certainly makes Eldar assault units more viable, but the greater benefit is undoubtably to the likes of Fire Dragons and Wraithguard shooting from an open-topped transport.

I doubt Harlies with a WWP will be very good. You're getting a turn 3 charge at best and have to sit around for a turn getting shot.

Wow yeah mobile gun platforms for shooty Eldar sounds fun too. I'm really tempted to get some DE for this. How does the WWP work? Can I have war walkers come thru it? Reminds me of Ulthwe Strike Force.

Zimko wrote:

ryuken87 wrote:
Raiders/Venoms certainly makes Eldar assault units more viable, but the greater benefit is undoubtably to the likes of Fire Dragons and Wraithguard shooting from an open-topped transport.

I doubt Harlies with a WWP will be very good. You're getting a turn 3 charge at best and have to sit around for a turn getting shot.

Wow yeah mobile gun platforms for shooty Eldar sounds fun too. I'm really tempted to get some DE for this. How does the WWP work? Can I have war walkers come thru it? Reminds me of Ulthwe Strike Force.

Only a DE HQ can purchase it. It gives him and the unit/vehicle he is in Deepstrike with no scatter

Woah woah

Wraithguard with D-scythes.

Perfect for either a Raider, or even a WWP. no scatter deep strike means you can put those crazy templates exactly where you want them.

The raider would still get them close and then open top all sorts of nasty templates

Harlequins aren't bad. They can be a assault/shooty unit. Archon with blaster/wwp harlie troop with 2 fusion pistols and 3 kisses is about 262pts, can drop in and fire 3 anti tank shots then has shooting and assault presence the next turn.

I think radier/venom is better for harlies than a WWP since you can potentially get into assault turn 2, and have the raider jinking shots as opposed to landing in and shooting then sitting there with save -.

I tried it. It went really poorly. I won the game, but the harliquins where so expensive, and did nothing but die. Harliquins are just the worst assult units in the book.

Banshees would have died just as hard but would have costed much much less.

Scorpions would have been less and probably have survived better.

Storm guardians would have been much cheaper and had fusion guns, so probably do something.

Wraithblades would be cheaper and would probably have survived.

I love the halliquin models but they are just too many points.

 coblen wrote:
I tried it. It went really poorly. I won the game, but the harliquins where so expensive, and did nothing but die. Harliquins are just the worst assult units in the book.

Banshees would have died just as hard but would have costed much much less.

Scorpions would have been less and probably have survived better.

Storm guardians would have been much cheaper and had fusion guns, so probably do something.

Wraithblades would be cheaper and would probably have survived.

I love the halliquin models but they are just too many points.

About right, play Harlequins because they are super-cool and fantastic looking - not because you want to win!

Has anyone tried no-scatter d-scythes? WWP with wraithguard.

I get the feeling that would work out amazingly well.

 Icculus wrote:
Has anyone tried no-scatter d-scythes? WWP with wraithguard.

I get the feeling that would work out amazingly well.

You will never want to play anything else again.

The problem with d-sycth wraithguard and webway portals is that the wraiths have to appear in a circle making the ones in the back either hit nothing or hit only a couple models.

What you can do is put 5 wraithguard and an archon in a waveserpent. wwp the waveserpent down, and have the wraithguard all come out in a perfect line up for maximum killing.

Well now that HQ units are all on 32mm bases you may still be able to get them all on one side.

But deepstriking the wave serpent sounds like a good idea.

Or even going with the Raider for the open top rule. So webway portal, raider, wraithguard, then you can position the templates from anywhere on the hull on that first turn.

The raider can only hold 10 models and wraithguard are bulky so you cant fit them and the archon in the raider.

 Icculus wrote:
Well now that HQ units are all on 32mm bases you may still be able to get them all on one side.

Wht makes you think that? It's only Necrons and a few Bangels on 32mm so far.

I wasnt exactly sure, but it looks like the Blood Angels sanguinary priest is on either 28mm, or a 32mm.

 Icculus wrote:
I wasnt exactly sure, but it looks like the Blood Angels sanguinary priest is on either 28mm, or a 32mm.

While you weren't right about the "all HQ's" part, your general idea is accurate. There is a batrep up now (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/631322.page) exemplifying how to do this. Rypher uses regular Wraithguard, but you could easily make them D-scythes too.

Drop Archon/SS's in the center/back and organize your D-Scythes in the front. Should be able to get 5 or so shots per DS. I'd actually just use regular WG, as they're cheaper and high S (8+) weaponry is something Eldar armies tend to be light on.

On Topic: Harlies are great assault units, and absolutely tear up what they hit. If they get there. And soak up a lot of your points doing so. And Scorpions can do just as much, but more durably.

I love Harlies, really do. But ATM they're not viable. Costing as much as a FD (after kiss), but having both low durability and no range kills them. IF you some how manage to slog up field/DS and not get shot off the table waiting to assault, then they'll kill what they hit. If your opponent has half a mind and any low/mid S weaponry, they turn into expensive targets. Wyches fulfill the same roll at half the price with slightly worse dmg output and are troops that don't have to eat a FA slot for their ride, and still are second choice to warriors.

You know, this is total wishlisting, but with GW showing a willingness to open the door back up to T1 assault with the Angel's Fury Spearhead detachment, I would LOVE to see GW allow Harlies to assault out of reserve. I mean for the points they cost and their low toughness, they certain have the disadvantages already built in. And frankly, from a fluff perspective there aren't many units more suited to assaulting from reserve than Harlequins.

 Death By Monkeys wrote:
You know, this is total wishlisting, but with GW showing a willingness to open the door back up to T1 assault with the Angel's Fury Spearhead detachment, I would LOVE to see GW allow Harlies to assault out of reserve. I mean for the points they cost and their low toughness, they certain have the disadvantages already built in. And frankly, from a fluff perspective there aren't many units more suited to assaulting from reserve than Harlequins.

You know what, for their point cost it would make sense. Especially when you put them with a webway portal. Them charging from deep strike with no scatter would be amazing. and I agree it completely fits their fluff.

Guess we'll find out in a few days! A new Harlie Codex is coming!!!!