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Lots of people are arguing that it has only a 45 degree firing arc because they claim the weapons are hull mounted however.

On some models, it will actually be impossible to move the gun and point it towards the target because of the way the model is assembled. In this case, players should assume that the guns on a vehicle are free to rotate or swivel on their mountings. In the rare cases when it matters, assume that guns can swivel vertically up to 45º, even if the barrel on the model itself cannot physically do that! Additionally, assume all hull-mounted weapons can swivel horizontally up to 45º.


It's pretty clear to me that the mounting for the Obelisk allows a greater degree of firing arc and it is not restricted to the 45 degree arc that "rarely" happens.

I'm pretty sure the underlined is referring to a gun that is suppose to move but can't (like a predator's sponson that was glued in place)

In this case, players should assume that the guns on a vehicle are free to rotate or swivel on their mountings.

And if I assume that the gun is "... free to rotate or swivel..." on a mounting that doesn't permit the gun to rotate or swivel beyond the range that the mounting would normally allow.

Yeah to me the only special circumstance would be if the weapon says " hull mounted" and the physical model was like that of a Leman Russ.

If you actually look at what it says " Tesla Spheres" and the physical model you can obviously see how it was intended to work. I mean it's hard to interpret it any other way than that gun is suppose to move around in that socket, but because that would be a incredible difficult thing to design ( ball and socket) then they left it like that.

We already finished discussing this. The model clearly has an up-down track on the sphere that would prevent movement to the left or right, even if it wasn't molded onto the model. It's Hull-mounted.

Yah once you look at the model physically you will see all the detail that makes tye guns very obiviously hull mounted and not turrets.

Tesla spheres are at Obelisk's hull corners. Shooting arc is 270 degree.

 Xyxel wrote:
Tesla spheres are at Obelisk's hull corners. Shooting arc is 270 degree.

The shooting doesn't come from the spheres it comes from the nozzle on the sphere which is locked from going horizontally. so it should only have 45 degrees

Strange, in my codex it is written "Tesla spheres". Does your codex say "shooting comes from nozzles" ?
Why do you assume those element are nozzles? For me those are elements that hold spheres in place. You can see a metal belt holding spheres in sockets.

 Xyxel wrote:
Strange, in my codex it is written "Tesla spheres". Does your codex say "shooting comes from nozzles" ?
Why do you assume those element are nozzles? For me those are elements that hold spheres in place. You can see a metal belt holding spheres in sockets.

That's clearly a barrel, it even has the same barrel tip as the Tesla Carbine, Tesla Cannon, and Tesla Destructor. And those all shoot out of barrels.

Plus they are not even true spheres. They are concave. Should be call tesla domes.

omg, where is the nozzle?!

So? The Obelisk has actual barrels on the Tesla Sphere that determine its arc.

 Xyxel wrote:
omg, where is the nozzle?!

Yup that picture sure is relevant....

That "barrier " that people keep talking about is obviously meant to slide to the side. Look at it.

Someone needs to post pictures.

I did, in the previous thread. Here it is again:



If you look closely, you can see the "track" that the barrel is locked into.

Yeah that's not what I'm saying I mean actual pictures close up of the thing, I don't own one.

It's clear in that picture the nozzle is locked in the vertical track. If you can't see it from there having the model isn't going to help you.

I own it. It goes up and goes down. It does not go side to side at all. No way no how. Its not even remotely designed to move side to side.

It projects a 45 degree cone from each barrel, you would struggle to get more then one of those trained on a single target.



The model even has the weapons molded into it, so it is fairly clear that it is a hull mounting.

I'd figure I'd copy/paste this since as far as I can tell this issue is settled.

Since they can only pivot up to 45 degrees vertical and horizontal here are some measurements to fire at a model height/degree wise.


Just measured the distance between two of the tesla spheres. They are 3.75 inches apart, 9.525 centimeters to those across the pond. With a height of 9 inches, 22.86 centimeters, to where the guns are (their midpoint).

They also have a 67.5 degree blindspot that's 9 inches tall. If my trig math is correct I am getting a length of 21.74 inches before a target is in LOS from the obelisk but that is if the target is paper thin on the floor so the taller a target is the closer you can shoot it from.

Marine standing at 1.5 inches = 18.11 inch range to hit from (46 centimeters)
models that are 2 inches tall like st celestine = 16.91 inches to hit (42.95 centimeters)
Rhino (I used my sob immolator so this might be off) 3 inches = 14.49 inches (36.80)
Dreadnaught at 4 inch height(don't know if this is right just googled) = 12.07 inches (30.66 centimeters)
RIptide at 6.5 inches = 6 inches away (15.24 centimeters)


I hope someone can tell me my math is wrong in this case and is really much closer than what I have came up with, been forever since I've done trig.

Would you be able to take the Monolith's weapons as a precedent for this model? the monoliths spheres look very similar and move in both directions?

bodazoka wrote:
Would you be able to take the Monolith's weapons as a precedent for this model? the monoliths spheres look very similar and move in both directions?

Different model (from a decade ago) and a different gun so no the monolith can't be used as a precedent .

This whole thread has been trying to decide if the obelisk's tesla spheres can move horizontally and the general consensus is no it can not.

No. You don't need a precedent. You look at the actual physical model.

Spheres make its a ball and socket affair. Not a hull mount.

 CrownAxe wrote:
... and the general consensus is no it can not.

And I guess Sir that You represent that "general consesnus" right? There is no other and "they" are right. lol
How model shoots is obvious. 270 degree. And hull is limiting line of sight for shooting from spheres.
If there are some people who want to play it as motionless nozzles (because Necrons have primitve technology yes?) then why not.
Just don't write bs about some consensus. "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

Did you not read the thread at all? Tesla Spheres have a nozzle exactly like the rest of the tesla weapons so you draw LoS from that and not the entire sphere. Then that nozzle is locked on a vertical rail preventing the nozzle from turning left or right so its locked in place meaning it only has 45 degree LoS by RAW.

 Xyxel wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
... and the general consensus is no it can not.

And I guess Sir that You represent that "general consesnus" right? There is no other and "they" are right. lol
How model shoots is obvious. 270 degree. And hull is limiting line of sight for shooting from spheres.
If there are some people who want to play it as motionless nozzles (because Necrons have primitve technology yes?) then why not.
Just don't write bs about some consensus. "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

Guy! You measure LOS from the barrel. I want you right now to go get a Obelisk and just atempt to traverse that gun left or right. Just go ahead and give it a shot.

Its not ball and socket. It does not move at all left or right. It is mounted to the hull completely. There is no arguement or ground you can stand on with this. Its ridiculous that you are trying to argue that its a turret.

The guns barrerl is mounted on an up/down traverse track only because it is hull mounted. Show me a vehicle weapon that is unable to move right or left and is a turret.

Fragile wrote:Spheres make its a ball and socket affair. Not a hull mount.

Xyxel wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
... and the general consensus is no it can not.

And I guess Sir that You represent that "general consesnus" right? There is no other and "they" are right. lol
How model shoots is obvious. 270 degree. And hull is limiting line of sight for shooting from spheres.
If there are some people who want to play it as motionless nozzles (because Necrons have primitve technology yes?) then why not.
Just don't write bs about some consensus. "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

As in the image below, the gun is mounted on a rail that is guided by an upper and lower mounting. It only traverses up and down.

I agree. The model is clearly designed such that the weapon can track vertically, but not horizontally. The effect is that you none of the four firing arcs overlap. You can only ever hit one target with one of these weapons.