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1x Reclamation Legion
+
10x Deathmark units
=
????

 skoffs wrote:
1x Reclamation Legion
+
10x Deathmark units
=
????

Fits under 2000, but since the Reclamation Legion alone can reach close to 7000 if you fully kit it out with all options taken, that's not going to keep you from making a full army.

I meant more, if you took ten squads of Deathmarks (fit in under 1850 list), would this be insane (stupid) or insane (brilliant)?

There will be a very dead MC.

Hey guys,
Just got my dex and am gona be using them as allies to me orks! looted crons ftw!

Im looking at the destroyer cult;
1 Dlord
3 units of destroyers
0-1 of heavy destroyers

Now I am assuming that, If I took 3 units of 1x Destroyer that I can't opt to upgrade them all to heavy destroyers individually? and therefore have;

Dlord
3x 1man destroyer unit - Which consists of 1 heavy destroyer?
0-1 Heavy desroyer unit

If not, could I then;

D lord
3x 2man destroyer unit - 1 heavy destroyer, 1 destroyer
0-1 heavy desroyer unit

I'd rather not take the second option, as their mixed guns ain't that useful, in which i'd be better off leaving them single destroyers and adding the heavy destroyers into the heavy unit. In which case rendering the second option obselete anyway. So is the first option actually a thing?

No, both are wrong.
Your Destroyer needs to be at least 3 models big and a Destroyer-unit can upgrade a single Destroyer to a Heavy Destroyer.

Kangodo wrote:
No, both are wrong.
Your Destroyer needs to be at least 3 models big and a Destroyer-unit can upgrade a single Destroyer to a Heavy Destroyer.

Does it? I left my dex at work (DOH)
But i swear the destroyer units are min 1 in the stats pages and that the formation doesn't specify how many must be taken per unit?
I could very easily be wrong, il double check.

Solar Shock wrote:
But i swear the destroyer units are min 1 in the stats pages and that the formation doesn't specify how many must be taken per unit?

Minimum size of a Destroyer unit is indeed one model, but the Destroyer Cult Formation under 'Restrictions' requires each unit of Destroyers must consist of at least three models.

That is the rule for the destroyers, sure. As noted above the cult has an additional rule requiring min 3 model destroyer squads.

edit: doh, ninja-ed.

If you wanted to add a Destroyer Cult formation with one H.Destroyer embedded with each of the 3 required Destroyer units it would cost you 500 points, minimum.

1x Destroyer Lord (Staff of Light)
2x Destroyers + 1x Heavy Destroyer
2x Destroyers + 1x Heavy Destroyer
2x Destroyers + 1x Heavy Destroyer

A bare bones Destroyer Lord would be kind of a waste, though...

I just wanted to note 2 things;
One, Battlescribe Pro is saying Three Spiders in the canoptek harvest unit is legal.
And two, if you bring the entire Decurian Detachment (as shown in that poster) with all squads at max and no wargear it comes to exactly 9980 points. Using the Tesseract Vault for the star god formation I should add.

Read this as Fornication, was expecting something different. Very disappointed if I could un exalt I would

Well, judging by how much of a mess the codex is, rule wise, there's no 100% way to tell if it was meant to be one Spyder or one unit of Spyders.
There's been a handful of indications that may have been intended as unit (after all, the image with the maxed out Decurion formations show 3 Spyders with 6 Wraiths and 9 Scarabs, not to mention the photos of the models together having multiple Spyders, not just the one),
But at the moment, by RAW, you gotta play it as just the single Spyder.
Hopefully a FAQ will come along soon... not bloody likely, though.

Kholzerino wrote:
They have 5 attacks on the charge with shred.

It seems like there is a synergy between the formations if you get it right. Destroyer Cult with the Judicator Battalion, for instance, could be really nasty. The Destroyers hang around the Stalker(s) and get rerollable 2+ to hit as well as rerollable wound/pen. That's pretty sweet.

If by sweet, you mean broken. This codex is an absolute balance disaster for the game. Now it dosen't even matter if tau and eldar get nerfed, because this thing will still be around.

And those 2 formations will set you back 900-1000 points minimum then you need to add a core formation around 500 points (if useing duricon for rp bonus). So they do put out a ton of damage but kill the stalker (3hp open topped) and all the synagy goes away, your still left with the units but no plus bs no target relay for the praetorians and if you have blasts all the units will be bunched up as its only 6" bs buff.
Strong yes but one lynch pin model kill it and you cut the damage a lot.

 Dragoon65 wrote:
I just wanted to note 2 things;
One, Battlescribe Pro is saying Three Spiders in the canoptek harvest unit is legal.
And two, if you bring the entire Decurian Detachment (as shown in that poster) with all squads at max and no wargear it comes to exactly 9980 points. Using the Tesseract Vault for the star god formation I should add.

1. That is because I was waiting for some discussion and consensus on the ruling.
At the moment I am convinced that it's only one Spyder, but there seems to be a lot of discussion going on so I will probably leave it at 1-3 and let the players decide for themselves.

2. That's a big army

Might be one Spyder, might be 1+. The problem is, the Canoptek Spyders entry in the army list says "unit composition: 1 Canoptek Spyder", and then gives you the option to add more, while the Restrictions box in the Canoptek Harvest formation says "Restrictions: None" implying that indeed all the options in the army list entry are still viable. Also, in the Destroyer Cult entry the unit size restriction is clearly pointed out in the restriction box.

The same problem applies to the Triarch Stalker in the Judicator Battalion. We definitely need a ruling here.

Okapi wrote:
Might be one Spyder, might be 1+. The problem is, the Canoptek Spyders entry in the army list says "unit composition: 1 Canoptek Spyder", and then gives you the option to add more, while the Restrictions box in the Canoptek Harvest formation says "Restrictions: None" implying that indeed all the options in the army list entry are still viable. Also, in the Destroyer Cult entry the unit size restriction is clearly pointed out in the restriction box.

The same problem applies to the Triarch Stalker in the Judicator Battalion. We definitely need a ruling here.

Plus depending on how "Right hand doesn't know what left is doing" you expect the codex and previews to be, we have three pictures of the formation, all with a different number of Spyders.

I understand why people are getting hung up over the phrasing in singular (Even if I personally think that's not particularly strong reasoning, I get how you could read it that way.), but given that formation restrictions are defined right in the basic formation rules as where specific unit sizes should be, it is something you could opt to interpret two ways (In theory, someone who thinks this is weak reasoning should at least be able to parse the argument).

So anyway, my point is just play it the way your local group prefers for now.

If the people that are saying that it isn't a unit of the Spyder it is just a single spyder what is it then? Is it a unit or something else?

Oberron wrote:
If the people that are saying that it isn't a unit of the Spyder it is just a single spyder what is it then? Is it a unit or something else?

Single models are also units. The problem is that the books doesn't clarify if 1 Canoptek Spyder means "1 and only 1" or "1, with the option to add two more, as per the army list entry". Some people believe the former, because of the singular phrasing in the formation text, while others (including myself and apparently changemod as well), lean towards the latter due to the lack of a presedent, "Restrictions: None" and the promo material, which shows us formations with several Spyders.


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Was leafing through the book here, and noticed a picture on p. 34. I'm aware this is fluff and not rules, but it plainly states Canoptek Swarm Organisation: 1 Unit of Canoptek Spyders, 1 Unit of Canoptek Swarms, 1 Unit of Canoptek Wraiths. Seems a pretty clear indication that whoever typed up the formation entry simply forgot to add "1 Unit of".

Okapi wrote:
as leafing through the book here, and noticed a picture on p. 34. I'm aware this is fluff and not rules, but it plainly states Canoptek Swarm Organisation: 1 Unit of Canoptek Spyders, 1 Unit of Canoptek Swarms, 1 Unit of Canoptek Wraiths. Seems a pretty clear indication that whoever typed up the formation entry simply forgot to add "1 Unit of".

Or seems just as clear that the person typing up the picture text accidentally repeated " 1 Unit of" for the Spyders

Fragile wrote:

Okapi wrote:
as leafing through the book here, and noticed a picture on p. 34. I'm aware this is fluff and not rules, but it plainly states Canoptek Swarm Organisation: 1 Unit of Canoptek Spyders, 1 Unit of Canoptek Swarms, 1 Unit of Canoptek Wraiths. Seems a pretty clear indication that whoever typed up the formation entry simply forgot to add "1 Unit of".

Or seems just as clear that the person typing up the picture text accidentally repeated " 1 Unit of" for the Spyders

Exactly, to say that the fluffy text is of higher relevance then the formation text..... is... well darn right silly.
GW showed images of killakanz with double ranged weapons..... when in the entry list they cant. I bet there are hundreds of fluff photos and text that is completely whack.

Best way is just bring it to their attention and hope they FAQ it. If they do, I have no doubt it will be a Unit of Spyders, just so they can sell more models.

Solar Shock wrote:
Hey guys,
Just got my dex and am gona be using them as allies to me orks! looted crons ftw!

Im looking at the destroyer cult;
1 Dlord
3 units of destroyers
0-1 of heavy destroyers

Now I am assuming that, If I took 3 units of 1x Destroyer that I can't opt to upgrade them all to heavy destroyers individually? and therefore have;

Dlord
3x 1man destroyer unit - Which consists of 1 heavy destroyer?
0-1 Heavy desroyer unit

If not, could I then;

D lord
3x 2man destroyer unit - 1 heavy destroyer, 1 destroyer
0-1 heavy desroyer unit

I'd rather not take the second option, as their mixed guns ain't that useful, in which i'd be better off leaving them single destroyers and adding the heavy destroyers into the heavy unit. In which case rendering the second option obselete anyway. So is the first option actually a thing?

Actually in the book it say each unit of destroyers must number at least 3 models, so a it would be:

Dlord
3x 3destroyers

or

Dlord
3x 2destroyers + Hdestroyer

for minimum

I've ran the judicator battalion a few times now and so far I'm really impressed.
A unit of 5 Preatorians armed with void blades and particle casters just about wrecks any (non-super heavy) vehicle in one turn.

Most people might prefer rod of the covenant but I'm using warscythe Lychguard in a ghost ark aswell so I like the voidblades better for the extra attack and entropic strike.

DaPino wrote:
I'm using warscythe Lychguard in a ghost ark.

Illegal. Ghost arks still inexplicably only allow warriors to ride.

Came here expecting Necronifornication.



Left disappointed.