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2015/04/15 17:37:59
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Kilkrazy wrote: Companies pay tax wherever their head office is registered, it's nothing to do with the EU.
Then tax companies based on a proportionate percentage of their global profits. Company generates X revenue and makes Y profit globally, and generates Z revenue in your country. Find what percentage Y is of X, then apply that to Z and tax the resulting figure. You can't avoid or evade it, because "our HQ is in Luxembourg and our fulfillment centre is in Jersey" is irrelevant to determining total revenue, since the people buying the stuff reside here.
Corporations have had it their own way for too long, they want the benefits of a global economy at the same time as they manipulate the old nation-state structures to avoid any of the drawbacks, it's time they paid their due - either all the tax haven bollocks is eradicated with measures like the one outlined above, or governments should go back to placing limits on how, when, and in what quantities private entities can move money across borders, physically or otherwise.
But we can't :( the EU has laws against governments doing that
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2015/04/15 18:14:32
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Apologies for steering the thread away from a tax discussion, but I've just Nick Clegg on the news promising Britain that the Lib-Dems would be a voice of reason if it went back into coalition.
I had to fight the urge to put my foot through the TV screen.
I feel sorry for decent, Lib Dem voters, but I hope they're wiped out in a few weeks time. They deserve nothing less for abandoning their principles five years ago in exchange for a ministerial limo.
And I hope to God that in the early hours of May 8th, we see Clegg doing the walk of shame.
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2015/04/15 19:01:14
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2015/04/16 00:26:56
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Kilkrazy wrote: Companies pay tax wherever their head office is registered, it's nothing to do with the EU.
Then tax companies based on a proportionate percentage of their global profits. Company generates X revenue and makes Y profit globally, and generates Z revenue in your country. Find what percentage Y is of X, then apply that to Z and tax the resulting figure. You can't avoid or evade it, because "our HQ is in Luxembourg and our fulfillment centre is in Jersey" is irrelevant to determining total revenue, since the people buying the stuff reside here.
Corporations have had it their own way for too long, they want the benefits of a global economy at the same time as they manipulate the old nation-state structures to avoid any of the drawbacks, it's time they paid their due - either all the tax haven bollocks is eradicated with measures like the one outlined above, or governments should go back to placing limits on how, when, and in what quantities private entities can move money across borders, physically or otherwise.
But we can't :( the EU has laws against governments doing that
I'm not convinced of that. I've had a look through the relevant statutes and can't see any direct impediment - obviously IANAL nor am I an expert on EU law so I could be wrong, but if I am I'd appreciate it if someone could actually show me how I'm wrong, since I've seen people claim the EU prevents lots of things that it actually doesn't. The only thing I can find with google-fu is an article from 2012 on out-law.com which makes that claim, but it's extremely questionable. For a start, the claimed legal basis for the opinion given is based on the application of a turnover tax in the sense of a sales tax, not in the sense of a method of calculating corporate tax liability. The "tax expert" being quoted quickly skips past that and brings up an entirely different subject(transfer pricing) and proceeds to argue against that instead, on the basis not even of EU laws but OECD "principles". And there's the small matter that the expert in question works for the law firm which runs the out-law.com website, Pinsent Masons, who are purveyors of "strategic tax advice"(ie finding and lobbying for loopholes to allow blood-sucking corporate scumbags to dodge taxes).
Member states have the right to set the rates for and manage the collection of "direct" taxation very nearly as they see fit. Corporation tax is a direct tax, not an indirect tax like VAT.
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2015/04/16 15:57:03
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
I thought the Labour party's election broadcast was shockingly forthright...
Yodhrin wrote: or governments should go back to placing limits on how, when, and in what quantities private entities can move money across borders, physically or otherwise.
Is that even possible with the way our financial systems work?
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2015/04/17 20:49:55
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Remember the stink that Farage stirred up when he "insulted" the audience by calling them left wing?
Spoiler:
EXCLUSIVE: Election debate fix - BBC admits two out of three audience members were lefties THE BBC has confirmed the hand-picked audience for last night’s election debate WAS left-leaning – though Nigel Farage was booed for pointing this out.
Out of all the audience members who had declared an allegiance to a party, only ONE THIRD leaned towards the political right. The Ukip leader was roundly booed when he suggested the make-up of the BBC election debate audience was left wing ‘even by the left-wing standards of the BBC.’ Host David Dimbleby even fired a broadside at Farage claiming the audience had been “carefully chosen” by independent polling organisation ICM to represent the balance between all parties. But, after persistent quizzing by Daily Express journalists, the BBC and ICM finally revealed the make-up of audience members.
ICM used the following audience ratio for those with a party preference:
Conservative 5
Labour 5
Lib Dem 4
Ukip 3
SNP 2
Green 2
Plaid 1.
This meant that just 36% of audience members swung to the right.In addition one fifth of the audience was made up of ‘undecided voters’ from the local area around Westminster.
Nigel Farage blasted the audience and BBC when he was booed for his views on immigration. He said: "There just seems to be a total lack of comprehension on this panel and indeed this audience, which is a remarkable audience even by the left-wing standards of the BBC." Today Mr Farage said: "Sometimes these things go wrong, sometimes you get groups who apply to be on programmes who perhaps aren't as truthful on their applications as they could be. "In this case, the BBC gave the job to a polling company called ICM who are famous for getting everything about Ukip wrong and that I think was the mistake.”
He said it wasn’t the first time a BBC audience had been aggressive towards Ukip. He added: “The night of the by-election that Douglas Carswell won in Clacton with a landslide, there was a Ukip representative - Patrick O'Flynn - on Question Time in Clacton and the audience were deeply hostile to him." He also repeated claims of a bias audience on Sky News saying: “From the off it was so completely obvious that we did not have an audience reflective of public opinion. "Regardless of whether you are a Ukip supporter or not, this [immigration] is something that has a huge response in the public."
A BBC spokesperson said: “All the broadcasters and the political parties agreed that the appropriate way to recruit audiences for debates was to ask a respected independent polling organisation to do the job on our behalf. “That was the case for all the debates in 2010, for the Clegg/Farage debates last year, as well as for both the debates during this campaign – ICM has an established track record of recruiting the audiences for all these debates.”
An ICM spokesman said its recruitment process was “premised on orthodox random location selection techniques.” It said 30 geographical areas were selection within a 20 mile radius of the venue, as well as a small number of SNP and Plaid Cymru supporters from Scotland and Wales. The recruitment approach replicated those used previous debates, the spokesperson added.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Remember the stink that Farage stirred up when he "insulted" the audience by calling them left wing?
Spoiler:
EXCLUSIVE: Election debate fix - BBC admits two out of three audience members were lefties THE BBC has confirmed the hand-picked audience for last night’s election debate WAS left-leaning – though Nigel Farage was booed for pointing this out.
Out of all the audience members who had declared an allegiance to a party, only ONE THIRD leaned towards the political right. The Ukip leader was roundly booed when he suggested the make-up of the BBC election debate audience was left wing ‘even by the left-wing standards of the BBC.’ Host David Dimbleby even fired a broadside at Farage claiming the audience had been “carefully chosen” by independent polling organisation ICM to represent the balance between all parties. But, after persistent quizzing by Daily Express journalists, the BBC and ICM finally revealed the make-up of audience members.
ICM used the following audience ratio for those with a party preference:
Conservative 5
Labour 5
Lib Dem 4
Ukip 3
SNP 2
Green 2
Plaid 1.
This meant that just 36% of audience members swung to the right.In addition one fifth of the audience was made up of ‘undecided voters’ from the local area around Westminster.
Nigel Farage blasted the audience and BBC when he was booed for his views on immigration. He said: "There just seems to be a total lack of comprehension on this panel and indeed this audience, which is a remarkable audience even by the left-wing standards of the BBC." Today Mr Farage said: "Sometimes these things go wrong, sometimes you get groups who apply to be on programmes who perhaps aren't as truthful on their applications as they could be. "In this case, the BBC gave the job to a polling company called ICM who are famous for getting everything about Ukip wrong and that I think was the mistake.”
He said it wasn’t the first time a BBC audience had been aggressive towards Ukip. He added: “The night of the by-election that Douglas Carswell won in Clacton with a landslide, there was a Ukip representative - Patrick O'Flynn - on Question Time in Clacton and the audience were deeply hostile to him." He also repeated claims of a bias audience on Sky News saying: “From the off it was so completely obvious that we did not have an audience reflective of public opinion. "Regardless of whether you are a Ukip supporter or not, this [immigration] is something that has a huge response in the public."
A BBC spokesperson said: “All the broadcasters and the political parties agreed that the appropriate way to recruit audiences for debates was to ask a respected independent polling organisation to do the job on our behalf. “That was the case for all the debates in 2010, for the Clegg/Farage debates last year, as well as for both the debates during this campaign – ICM has an established track record of recruiting the audiences for all these debates.”
An ICM spokesman said its recruitment process was “premised on orthodox random location selection techniques.” It said 30 geographical areas were selection within a 20 mile radius of the venue, as well as a small number of SNP and Plaid Cymru supporters from Scotland and Wales. The recruitment approach replicated those used previous debates, the spokesperson added.
At best, UKIP only get 15% of the vote, so in fairness, they should get 15% of the audience. It's Cameron's fault for not being there. If he'd been there, the audience would have been more right wing to reflect the national balance.
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2015/04/18 21:47:08
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Also, as an uneducated yankee , isn't it that your representatives elect your PM? I can't quite remember.
If you mean whoever has the most MPs gets to be PM, then essentially yes. We are probably looking at some kind of coalition again so there will likely be a deputy PM from another party.
Unrelated but here's a nice BBC4 documentary about Britain leaving the EU presented by Peter Hitchens.
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Yep. We don't have that Presidential nonsense in Britain
Probably just as well, otherwise we'd have David bloody Beckham as president!!
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Albatross wrote: Lord Ashcroft just blocked me on Twitter. Really.
That takes some doing
Ashcroft's a Conservative, and if memory serves, you're a Conservative as well?
I thought they'd be common ground, there.
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2015/04/19 21:08:27
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
This is what happens when an allegedly left wing party tries to out Tory the Tories and then firmly allys with them. The Lib Dems getting demolished was inevitable after their happy little coalition.
It would be a shame though if Charlie Kennedy loses his seat, I am from the Ross, Skye and Lochaber constituency so he has been a fixture, if such a thing is even possible for a politician, for much of my life but times change.
As it stands though a minority Labour government propped up by the SNP and the tattered remnants of the Lib Dems is highly likely. I can't see the Tories making up the 30 or so seats that they would require to form a minority government unless they form a coalition with Labour of course. If they do that though the SNP would form the opposition; wouldn't that be glorious?
Personally I will be voting SNP this year as it best represents my political views and I was a Yes voter anyway. In the last election I voted Lib Dem in one of the safest Tory seats in the country so its not as if my vote was wasted.......
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2015/04/20 09:10:32
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
This is what happens when an allegedly left wing party tries to out Tory the Tories and then firmly allys with them. The Lib Dems getting demolished was inevitable after their happy little coalition.
It would be a shame though if Charlie Kennedy loses his seat, I am from the Ross, Skye and Lochaber constituency so he has been a fixture, if such a thing is even possible for a politician, for much of my life but times change.
As it stands though a minority Labour government propped up by the SNP and the tattered remnants of the Lib Dems is highly likely. I can't see the Tories making up the 30 or so seats that they would require to form a minority government unless they form a coalition with Labour of course. If they do that though the SNP would form the opposition; wouldn't that be glorious?
Personally I will be voting SNP this year as it best represents my political views and I was a Yes voter anyway. In the last election I voted Lib Dem in one of the safest Tory seats in the country so its not as if my vote was wasted.......
For all the talk of the UK being a Conservative country, the Tories haven't won an election outright since 1992.
And as for Cameron, he couldn't get a majority against Gordon Brown
Question for everybody: Am I the only person bored to death with this campaign? I'm ready to vote now. I made my mind up months ago. I don't want 17 more days of this
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2015/04/20 09:26:59
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
This is what happens when an allegedly left wing party tries to out Tory the Tories and then firmly allys with them. The Lib Dems getting demolished was inevitable after their happy little coalition.
It would be a shame though if Charlie Kennedy loses his seat, I am from the Ross, Skye and Lochaber constituency so he has been a fixture, if such a thing is even possible for a politician, for much of my life but times change.
As it stands though a minority Labour government propped up by the SNP and the tattered remnants of the Lib Dems is highly likely. I can't see the Tories making up the 30 or so seats that they would require to form a minority government unless they form a coalition with Labour of course. If they do that though the SNP would form the opposition; wouldn't that be glorious?
Personally I will be voting SNP this year as it best represents my political views and I was a Yes voter anyway. In the last election I voted Lib Dem in one of the safest Tory seats in the country so its not as if my vote was wasted.......
For all the talk of the UK being a Conservative country, the Tories haven't won an election outright since 1992.
And as for Cameron, he couldn't get a majority against Gordon Brown
Question for everybody: Am I the only person bored to death with this campaign? I'm ready to vote now. I made my mind up months ago. I don't want 17 more days of this
England especially the south-east is more conservative than Scotland and Wales. This is of course a generalisation and you need to look into the detail to see the full picture.
Personally I am very disillusioned with this election and with politics in general. I think the last government that tried to implement significant reforms and strategies was Thatcher. I don't agree with everything she did or think it was successful. My point is that since then governments seem to have concentrated on tinkering and soundbite politics rather than facing up to the big issues that need to be addressed. This campaign seems even worse with blatant "fixes" being thrown out like bones to dogs, such as the inheritance tax change, the promise to set up a taskforce to prosecute companies hiring under minimum wage, and the dicking around with who is or isn't going to give the NHS another 6 billion or 8.6 billion pounds and where that money is coming from, when there is a demographic catastrophe of General Practitioners coming in the next 15 years that no-one in parliament seems to want to address.
This is what happens when an allegedly left wing party tries to out Tory the Tories and then firmly allys with them. The Lib Dems getting demolished was inevitable after their happy little coalition.
It would be a shame though if Charlie Kennedy loses his seat, I am from the Ross, Skye and Lochaber constituency so he has been a fixture, if such a thing is even possible for a politician, for much of my life but times change.
As it stands though a minority Labour government propped up by the SNP and the tattered remnants of the Lib Dems is highly likely. I can't see the Tories making up the 30 or so seats that they would require to form a minority government unless they form a coalition with Labour of course. If they do that though the SNP would form the opposition; wouldn't that be glorious?
Personally I will be voting SNP this year as it best represents my political views and I was a Yes voter anyway. In the last election I voted Lib Dem in one of the safest Tory seats in the country so its not as if my vote was wasted.......
For all the talk of the UK being a Conservative country, the Tories haven't won an election outright since 1992.
And as for Cameron, he couldn't get a majority against Gordon Brown
Question for everybody: Am I the only person bored to death with this campaign? I'm ready to vote now. I made my mind up months ago. I don't want 17 more days of this
England especially the south-east is more conservative than Scotland and Wales. This is of course a generalisation and you need to look into the detail to see the full picture.
Personally I am very disillusioned with this election and with politics in general. I think the last government that tried to implement significant reforms and strategies was Thatcher. I don't agree with everything she did or think it was successful. My point is that since then governments seem to have concentrated on tinkering and soundbite politics rather than facing up to the big issues that need to be addressed. This campaign seems even worse with blatant "fixes" being thrown out like bones to dogs, such as the inheritance tax change, the promise to set up a taskforce to prosecute companies hiring under minimum wage, and the dicking around with who is or isn't going to give the NHS another 6 billion or 8.6 billion pounds and where that money is coming from, when there is a demographic catastrophe of General Practitioners coming in the next 15 years that no-one in parliament seems to want to address.
I agree with all of that. Politicians have been reduced to bank managers these days. The market knows best. That's the mantra all the main parties agree on and this nation is suffering because of it.
The GP thing you mention is a major problem, but for me, constitutional problems need to be addressed as well.
If this country doesn't fix the lords, or implement a federal system within the next five years, then I believe the Union is finished. The centre will not hold.
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2015/04/20 11:07:56
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
There is a constitutional problem, an energy supply problem, a housing problem, an industrial policy problem, a growing pensions and old age care problem, transport infrastructure problems, public finances and the PFI problem. There others that do not occur to me at the moment.
All of these are long term strategic issues that need to be considered and addressed in good time because they take in some cases decades to resolve and they aren't because partly I think parliaments do not look beyond the five year horizon to the next general election.
In some ways it would be better if any party at all could get a commanding majority since they would have enough time to either feth things up -- which would at least give the country some clue as to the right way forwards -- or perhaps they might get things right.
I see the Daily Mail have ramped up their anti-SNP coverage to warp 9, in today's papers.
I didn't know it was possible to be a Nazi and a Communist at the same time.
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2015/04/20 14:35:18
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I see the Daily Mail have ramped up their anti-SNP coverage to warp 9, in today's papers.
I didn't know it was possible to be a Nazi and a Communist at the same time.
Well Stalin was a communist and had crimes almost as bad the Nazis.
I'm sure the SNP is not that bad
I do wonder about their position with nuclear weapons with Russia doing what it is doing. You're pro SNP, what do you think about scrapping them?
Before, I suspected they took a stance against them so Scotland wouldn't have to contribute to the upkeep of the weapon system. However they still are maintaining their position.
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2015/04/20 14:55:37
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Co'tor Shas wrote: Communist Nazis! To defeat that you would need a creature with the head of Churchill, the body of FDR, and the legs of someone who's legs still work.
This is British business. Keep your American mitts off our property!
Naturally, of course, I'm at liberty to post comments on the other political thread.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I see the Daily Mail have ramped up their anti-SNP coverage to warp 9, in today's papers.
I didn't know it was possible to be a Nazi and a Communist at the same time.
Well Stalin was a communist and had crimes almost as bad the Nazis.
I'm sure the SNP is not that bad
I do wonder about their position with nuclear weapons with Russia doing what it is doing. You're pro SNP, what do you think about scrapping them?
Before, I suspected they took a stance against them so Scotland wouldn't have to contribute to the upkeep of the weapon system. However they still are maintaining their position.
I'm anti-trident myself. To have nuclear weapons 20 miles away from Scotland's largest city, is sheer lunacy. If Westminster wants them so bad, then they can park them on the Thames outside the house of commons
On a more serious note, the idea that the SNP is a threat to Britain's nuclear deterrent is nonsense.
Even if the SNP win all 59 Scottish seats, the other 600 MPs can still push Trident through the commons, and Labour and the Tories have said they will do this.
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2015/04/20 14:59:35
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
My area, Swansea West has been a labour area since 1964. Swansea East has been labour since 1922.
I didn't realise my city was so left wing.
Is that good or bad for you?
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2015/04/20 15:11:58
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Well I'm not much of a labour fan, I still haven't forgiven them for selling all of our gold.....
Tbf, Swansea is an absolute dump. She needs quite a bit of money in order to get her up to scratch with the rest of the UK. We only have one major road into the city, and it's often blocked with traffic. Doesn't help that Cardiff gets a lot more money to spend than Swansea does, but at least our football team is better.
Doesn't help that the council is useless, we had quite a bit of EU money sitting around, which they then spent smearing the area with speed humps and speed signs. Rather than fixing the hundreds of potholes that I have to routinely dodge on a day to day basic, less I get painfully tossed from my motorcycle.
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2015/04/20 15:23:17
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Co'tor Shas wrote: Communist Nazis! To defeat that you would need a creature with the head of Churchill, the body of FDR, and the legs of someone who's legs still work.
This is British business. Keep your American mitts off our property!
Naturally, of course, I'm at liberty to post comments on the other political thread.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I see the Daily Mail have ramped up their anti-SNP coverage to warp 9, in today's papers.
I didn't know it was possible to be a Nazi and a Communist at the same time.
Well Stalin was a communist and had crimes almost as bad the Nazis.
I'm sure the SNP is not that bad
I do wonder about their position with nuclear weapons with Russia doing what it is doing. You're pro SNP, what do you think about scrapping them?
Before, I suspected they took a stance against them so Scotland wouldn't have to contribute to the upkeep of the weapon system. However they still are maintaining their position.
I'm anti-trident myself. To have nuclear weapons 20 miles away from Scotland's largest city, is sheer lunacy. If Westminster wants them so bad, then they can park them on the Thames outside the house of commons
On a more serious note, the idea that the SNP is a threat to Britain's nuclear deterrent is nonsense.
Even if the SNP win all 59 Scottish seats, the other 600 MPs can still push Trident through the commons, and Labour and the Tories have said they will do this.
They'd insist on it before forming a collation before its voted on wouldn't they?
Why are you anti-trident out of interest?
Russia will nuke all the UKs cities. Regardless of where the ordinance is kept. The warheads will be out at sea, that's the point of nuclear submarines.
Isn't that base in one of the lowest density population locations in the UK? Makes some sense putting it where it is.
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2015/04/20 15:53:32
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! General Election Discussion P4 Onwards...
Co'tor Shas wrote: Communist Nazis! To defeat that you would need a creature with the head of Churchill, the body of FDR, and the legs of someone who's legs still work.
This is British business. Keep your American mitts off our property!
Naturally, of course, I'm at liberty to post comments on the other political thread.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I see the Daily Mail have ramped up their anti-SNP coverage to warp 9, in today's papers.
I didn't know it was possible to be a Nazi and a Communist at the same time.
Well Stalin was a communist and had crimes almost as bad the Nazis.
I'm sure the SNP is not that bad
I do wonder about their position with nuclear weapons with Russia doing what it is doing. You're pro SNP, what do you think about scrapping them?
Before, I suspected they took a stance against them so Scotland wouldn't have to contribute to the upkeep of the weapon system. However they still are maintaining their position.
I'm anti-trident myself. To have nuclear weapons 20 miles away from Scotland's largest city, is sheer lunacy. If Westminster wants them so bad, then they can park them on the Thames outside the house of commons
On a more serious note, the idea that the SNP is a threat to Britain's nuclear deterrent is nonsense.
Even if the SNP win all 59 Scottish seats, the other 600 MPs can still push Trident through the commons, and Labour and the Tories have said they will do this.
They'd insist on it before forming a collation before its voted on wouldn't they?
Why are you anti-trident out of interest?
Russia will nuke all the UKs cities. Regardless of where the ordinance is kept. The warheads will be out at sea, that's the point of nuclear submarines.
Isn't that base in one of the lowest density population locations in the UK? Makes some sense putting it where it is.
The Trident base (Faslane) is 20 miles away from Glasgow. Population 100,000
The safety record there is not good. It's this that worries people, not Putin's finger o the red button.
If you want the nukes, feel free to dig a pond in your back garden and keep the Submarines there
I'm anti-nuclear weapons from a moral point of view (I consider them immoral)
and from a practical point of view, I consider them impractical.
Nuclear weapons didn't stop Argentina from invading the Falklands. The didn't stop America losing the Vietnam war, and they didn't stop Bin Laden from crashing jets into the twin towers on 9/11, and they won't stop ISIL now.
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Tbf, Swansea is an absolute dump. She needs quite a bit of money in order to get her up to scratch with the rest of the UK. We only have one major road into the city, and it's often blocked with traffic. Doesn't help that Cardiff gets a lot more money to spend than Swansea does, but at least our football team is better.
Doesn't help that the council is useless, we had quite a bit of EU money sitting around, which they then spent smearing the area with speed humps and speed signs. Rather than fixing the hundreds of potholes that I have to routinely dodge on a day to day basic, less I get painfully tossed from my motorcycle.
What about the Welsh assembly? Shouldn't they be fixing this?
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