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2016/01/04 15:02:05
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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I hear humour transplant operations are both affordable and almost always successful these days, you should look into one.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal |
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2016/01/04 15:06:05
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Like I said, Poe's Law.
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2016/01/04 15:13:02
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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.well... according to Farage that's what they said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3383311/PETER-MCKAY-Syria-s-turned-Operation-Damp-Squib.html
UKIP leader Nigel Farage says all four wheels on his Volvo V70 car were tampered with, causing him to lose control and almost lose his life on a motorway near Dunkirk last October.
'The French police looked at it and said that sometimes nuts on one wheel can come loose, but not on all four,' he tells the Mail on Sunday.
Yet he asks the police 'not to make anything of it'. The prosecutor for the Dunkirk region, Eric Fouard, confirms that he's not aware of any police investigation involving Farage
A little mysterious, no?
I don't see what Farage has to lose by having an investigation if police suspect that someone wanted him dead. Were they political enemies — or personal ones?
Nor do I understand why the police would agree not to investigate what looks like the attempted murder of a prominent European Union politician. Surely the pampered boobies of Brussels themselves would demand it, even if it was to protect the allegedly anti-EU Englishman on the basis of 'today Farage, tomorrow the rest of us'.
Certainly, the cynical French cops of Engrenages (Spiral) — my favourite police show; roll on the 6th season — wouldn't be talked out of investigating such a case by Nigel's manly display of sang-froid, if that's what it is.
I have to agree that if this was a genuine bona fide assassination attempt -- and not for example due to the faulty product -- then the Police would investigate it, whether he wanted them to or not.
But YMMV of course.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2016/01/04 15:25:41
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Thats a columnist, writing an opinion piece. The other DM article that I linked into went into more detail and said "The Police and mechanics were positive it was sabotage".
The story has also been picked up by The Telegraph, Mirror, RT, Metro, Standard, The Times, etc...For anyone with a pathological phobia of reading the Daily Mail.
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2016/01/04 15:36:18
Subject: The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Thats a columnist, writing an opinion piece. The other DM article that I linked into went into more detail and said "The Police and mechanics were positive it was sabotage".
Which is a quote from Farage, not from the actual relevant authorities.
Given this was -- as according to him there was no investigation -- little more than a theory offered up on a cursory glance and presumably unaware of things like the faults with the car -- I think it's a bit ...generous .... to say that was definitely what happened.
And if they were 100% sure and certain that it was a malicious act -- as opposed to the fault or an error at his last service or whatever -- then it's not up to him whether it's investigated or not.
http://www.liberation.fr/desintox/2016/01/05/farage-s-assassination-plot-no-witnesses-vouch-for-it_1424522
Désintox talked to the mechanic who rescued Farage, and to the prosecutor who should have been in charge of the investigation, if there had been one. Both denied ever suspecting a foul play.
On October 21st, Farage was indeed rescued on the motorway in northern city of Marck after one of his wheel fell off. But it’s only once the car was towed to the garage, that the mechanic noticed all the nuts were loose. Philipe Marquis, owner of the garage, told Désintox he «had never seen anything like it [and that he] found it weird». Why didn’t he call the police then? Because he did not suspect it was a consequence of a sabotage… Instead, the mechanic suspected the nuts «had been wrongly screwed after an other repair».
He tried to know if Farage had had his car fixed in another garage, but couldn’t get to the bottom of it because… he doesn’t speak any English. «We had to talk by sign language», he said. Did he mention a «sabotage» ? «I never said that, he just saw us screwing back the nuts». Marquis certifies no one at his garage could have said anything about a foul play to Farage, who drove back to Britain. The mechanic never heard from him since.
Not only no witness can vouch for Farage’s account about what the mechanics told him, but according to our information the police did not mention any sabotage either. The police did arrive to the scene of the accident, but according to an anonymous source they did not examine the car, because no one was hurt. Hence, they could not suspect anything.
Dunkirk’s prosecutor confirms police agents were present on the scene but their intervention report only mentions a repair service. «If they had noticed a sabotage, they would have had to open an investigation», the prosecutor says. Even if Farage did not want the police to investigate the case, the prosecutor would have been entitled by law to open an investigation nonetheless. Reached by Désintox, Ukip did not care to comment on this story.
hmm well then.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2016/01/05 15:45:57
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Courageous Grand Master
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Well, it's official. Call Me Dave is allowing his ministers a free vote on the EU referendum: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/05/eu-referendum-david-cameron-to-allow-ministers-to-campaign-for-either-side
Cameron's aides are spinning this as an act of benevolence, but it's not as if he had a choice.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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2016/01/06 21:33:54
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Fixture of Dakka
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2016/01/07 12:20:38
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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This could go either way.
A mechanic could change the wheel and be lazy with tightening the nuts. It is also an easy act of sabotage to perform.
It would make more sense if you were trying to kill Farage to loosen more than one wheel, take out two wheels on one side and you have a far nastier accident and the other will likely fail if the first does.
However:
If you read the article carefully:
"French prosecutors and a mechanic have today refused to corroborate Nigel Farage’s claims that he was warned his car had been sabotaged."
That isn't actually a denial, the prosecutors have not made statements against what Farage is saying, just refusing the back his own comments. This is not unexpected.
"Dunkirk’s prosecutor said: ‘If they had noticed a sabotage, they would have had to open an investigation’. It would not have been left up to Mr Farage to veto an investigation."
Something reds8n mentioned. It doesnt wash frankly. The police would do as the police choose to do. Farage however has the choice as to whether to to seek publicity. However tell a police officer to ignore the paperwork and treat an incident as a non incident and what happens? Very often nothing, as expected. Its similar to saying 'I dont want to press charges'.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
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2016/01/07 12:31:05
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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 Orlanth wrote:This could go either way.
A mechanic could change the wheel and be lazy with tightening the nuts. ...
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Ironically this is one of the rare occasions when something goes wrong because the person responsible didn't screw up.
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2016/01/07 13:36:45
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Its also of note that the incident happened months ago, and only came to light when the Daily Mail caught wind of it somehow and approached Farage for comment. At that point its already public knowledge so why deny it? If its purely publicity seeking, we would have heard about it months ago, he would have been crowing about it in TV interviews and 'far right' figures everywhere would be making political capital out of it.
Sounds like the guys just embarrassed and wants to forget it.
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2016/01/07 13:40:49
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Courageous Grand Master
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You would think that with an EU referendum coming up, Farage would have bigger fish to fry.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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2016/01/07 14:02:24
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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You would think with an EU referendum coming up he'd be making the most of it and crowing about it on TV, rather than reluctantly admitting it months after the fact.
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2016/01/07 14:07:22
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Courageous Grand Master
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
You would think with an EU referendum coming up he'd be making the most of it and crowing about it on TV, rather than reluctantly admitting it months after the fact.
Knowing Farage, there was probably a lot of alcohol involved 
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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2016/01/07 14:45:17
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
You would think with an EU referendum coming up he'd be making the most of it and crowing about it on TV, rather than reluctantly admitting it months after the fact.
Knowing Farage, there was probably a lot of alcohol involved
In that case the assassins should just let him do their job for him.
Why bother assassinate Nigel Farage? Knowing his luck, he's more likely to get himself killed in a plane crash or some other publicity stunt.
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2016/01/07 17:39:12
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie Thread- UK Edition! Election Aftermath P20+
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Fixture of Dakka
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Orlanth wrote:If you read the article carefully:
"French prosecutors and a mechanic have today refused to corroborate Nigel Farage’s claims that he was warned his car had been sabotaged."
That isn't actually a denial, the prosecutors have not made statements against what Farage is saying, just refusing the back his own comments. This is not unexpected.
According to Farage the Police and a mechanic told Farage it was an assassination attempt not the prosecutors. Nobody has spoken to the Police, let alone the officers involved, and the mechanic had this to say when asked if sabotage had been mentioned: "I never said that, he just saw us screwing back the nuts." So the only primary witness (apart from Farage) did indeed issue a denial. Apparently he did so in French sign language so I suspect any nuance of language to which you are alluding would be lost.
Now people are looking into the facts of the matter and it is apparent he was stretching the truth? Yeah I imagine he'd want to distance himself from it now.
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