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2015/02/12 01:13:17
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
I'm curious, as I love dwarfs. And I am also wondering how they are doing in the End Times.
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2015/02/12 01:30:11
Subject: Re:What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Short answer (lol no pun intended) is that no one knows yet. There are a lot of rumours about them getting squatted (see what I did there?) - an existing thread on these rumours and more can be found here:
Rumours say they will likely be rolled in with Empire/Bretonnia into Legions of the good guys.
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2015/02/12 17:51:46
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Rumours say they will likely be rolled in with Empire/Bretonnia into Legions of the good guys.
My theory is that they'll become a nomadic, airship-dwelling army. Sort of like 40K eldar. Of all the things to update they gave them two new flier models with their 8th edition book, the fluff is full of pictures of big dwarfen airships, and Hastings long ago said that he saw a big dwarfen model that has yet to be released.
2015/02/12 18:08:27
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
If you're saying the dwarfs will be merged into another army, that's not good. They're good on their own.
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2015/02/12 19:21:23
Subject: Re:What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Shoved into the Empire so they barely have to write any lore for them anymore and can get to writing more of their favourite Elven Master Race fanfiction-quality stuff about how the God-Emperor of the Imperium worships statues of Tyrion and Maelkith for being so amazing.
2015/02/12 19:22:43
Subject: Re:What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Arbitrator wrote: Shoved into the Empire so they barely have to write any lore for them anymore and can get to writing more of their favourite Elven Master Race fanfiction-quality stuff about how the God-Emperor of the Imperium worships statues of Tyrion and Maelkith for being so amazing.
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2015/02/12 21:17:27
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
They'll be driven to despair and turn into Dwarf Fortress style Dwarfs: borderline insane alcoholics who wander around building forts everywhere, murdering everything that comes near, and then getting destroyed. But at least you'll be able to field giant lava cannons with your army.
(Yeah, I have no idea what's going to happen)
2015/02/12 23:59:43
Subject: Re:What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Current prevailing opinion is that they're going to get rolled into the human armies somehow. This is largely conjecture and wishful thinking (including mine!) because there's no proof of it at all. There's also no proof that they're going away yet, but if the fluff is any indication, the dwarfs are screwed.
My opinion: 90% likely that they get folded into some Human / Dwarf alliance (which will basically be the remnants of the Empire, Dwarfs, and Bretonnians). 10% likely they have dinner reservations with the Dodo, Brontosaur, and Squats.
Well, here is the rundown through End Times: Thanquol:
Spoiler:
Nagash: Thorek is killed by Neferata after destroying the Anvil of Doom (and Kraggi and the other anvil guards die too). In the same battle, Krell kills King Kazador, the king of Karak Azul. Also, Nagash consumes the magic of Dwarfen Goddess Valaya. Glottkin and Khaine contain no dwarfs.
Dwarfs play a much larger role in Thanquol. Karak Kadrin is nearly defended successfully by Ungrim Ironfist until Ikit Claw sends two abominations through the front doors of the hold strapped with bombs and filled with plague to explode and kill all of the dwarfs inside. At the same time, many of the other great holds have fallen. Meanwhile, Belegar holds off for a long time in trying to defend Karak Eight Peaks is killed by Queek Headtaker when the hold is finally taken/destroyed. Queek then presented Belegar's head to Skarsnik as a part of their agreement to allow the Skaven to take/destroy Karak Eight Peaks. After this, Ungrim is attempting to bring whatever survivors he can find back for a final defense at Karaz-a-Karak when he touches the Shrine of Grimnir and is infused with the wind of fire and becomes the Incarnate of Fire.
At Karaz-a-Karak, a two pronged army of Skaven led by Queek and Ikit Claw are mounting an attack when Thorgrim leads the remaining host out onto the battlefield in an attempt to destroy the attackers before they could get organized. In the battle, Ungrim and his allies show up from one side of the battle while Bugman and his miners appear from another part of the battle to supply support at the right time. The Dwarfs end up winning the battle in a devastating fashion as the Skaven army crumbles completely. Throgrim then matches up one-on-one with Queek after being attacked by an assassin. Thorgrim's rage overtakes him and he ends up crushing Queek's neck in his hands and then completely smashing his head on the ground after he was dead. After the battle, Thorgrim is climbing to an overlook of his destroyed kingdom, remembering the dead and realizing that his wound from the assassin was not healing. While peering over the world and wondering what the next move should be, Thorgrim is killed by Sniktch, his final thoughts lamenting the grudges left unrighted and realizing that they killed him by stabbing him in the back.
Now, where does that leave the Dwarfs? Who really knows. In the forum post about the Archaon book in the News and Rumors forum, there are some images that give a bit more of a hint, that
Spoiler:
Caradryan from the High Elves becomes the Incarnate of Fire at some point, meaning that Ungrim either dies or the wind of fire leaves him in some way. Also, in the shot of all of the incarnates united, there is a picture of a Dwarfen Runelord along with them in a major battle against Archaon that seems to be a new character. Whether Bugman ends up doing anything, nothing has been leaked as of yet.
So, hopefully that catches you up to what has happened with the Dwarfs. They seem to be in the same fate as the Empire, Bretonnia and Lizardmen, which is extremely dire. Really, the only factions that so far have done well for themselves are Chaos (obviously), Undead, Skaven (I mean, they destroyed one of the moons for 's sake) and really the Elves. Orcs and Goblins and Ogre Kingdoms have been mostly non-existent (minus Skarsnik's appearance in Thanquol).
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2015/02/13 02:43:31
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Well it is mentioned ungrim trudges off to help the empire.
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2015/02/13 12:20:28
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Current prevailing opinion is that they're going to get rolled into the human armies somehow. This is largely conjecture and wishful thinking (including mine!) because there's no proof of it at all.
The only thing remotely approaching proof would be the picture of a skaven army ready to battle a combined Empire, Ogres and Dwarves force. Of course, that could just be an allied armies force or something.
2015/02/14 01:44:45
Subject: Re:What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Current prevailing opinion is that they're going to get rolled into the human armies somehow. This is largely conjecture and wishful thinking (including mine!) because there's no proof of it at all.
The only thing remotely approaching proof would be the picture of a skaven army ready to battle a combined Empire, Ogres and Dwarves force. Of course, that could just be an allied armies force or something.
If you've read Thanquol, you'd know that the chances of Dwarfs and Ogres combining is basically zero now. Which sucks, I was totally up for a Dwarf + Ogre union .
Current prevailing opinion is that they're going to get rolled into the human armies somehow. This is largely conjecture and wishful thinking (including mine!) because there's no proof of it at all.
The only thing remotely approaching proof would be the picture of a skaven army ready to battle a combined Empire, Ogres and Dwarves force. Of course, that could just be an allied armies force or something.
Well, Grimgor's Locus buffs Ogre units in the same army.
Current prevailing opinion is that they're going to get rolled into the human armies somehow. This is largely conjecture and wishful thinking (including mine!) because there's no proof of it at all.
The only thing remotely approaching proof would be the picture of a skaven army ready to battle a combined Empire, Ogres and Dwarves force. Of course, that could just be an allied armies force or something.
Well, Grimgor's Locus buffs Ogre units in the same army.
Last i checked, Grimgor's an orc, right ? Unless the old world has the racial equivalent of gender reassignment. All kidding aside, given what i was responding to in my quote, i don't get the context of your statement given what you quoted of mine.
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AnomanderRake wrote: The rumour mill claims they're teaming up with the Empire, doesn't it?
At one time yes, its more strongly suggested (with a bit of anecdotal evidence) that they will end up in O&G.
There are some believe that they will be split between whatever human faction there is that has empire in them and O&G.
Based on what we currently know right now, my money would be on them being folded into O&G slightly more reliable than anything else (because we have one piece of anecdotal evidence that they might be able to be in an army with O&G, and basically nothing for anything else other than fluff which stated some were marching towards the empire.).
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Current prevailing opinion is that they're going to get rolled into the human armies somehow. This is largely conjecture and wishful thinking (including mine!) because there's no proof of it at all.
The only thing remotely approaching proof would be the picture of a skaven army ready to battle a combined Empire, Ogres and Dwarves force. Of course, that could just be an allied armies force or something.
Well, Grimgor's Locus buffs Ogre units in the same army.
Last i checked, Grimgor's an orc, right ? Unless the old world has the racial equivalent of gender reassignment. All kidding aside, given what i was responding to in my quote, i don't get the context of your statement given what you quoted of mine.
Grimgor's incarnate buff points to OnG and Ogres being rolled up.
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Oh no...GET THOSE GOD SKAVEN, YA DWARFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO DWARFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SURVIVE THE END TIMES!!!!!!!
LONG LIVE THE DWARFS!!!!!!!!!!
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2015/02/14 15:01:38
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
It's already known that Dwarfs got their asses kicked by Skaven pretty hardcore. Dwarfs lost the war and the only thing left for debate is whether they will make it into 9th at all or just get gutted.
Maybe, they build a giant cannon to shoot themselves on a moon or something. But that would be ridicu...wait.
Sigvatr wrote: It's already known that Dwarfs got their asses kicked by Skaven pretty hardcore. Dwarfs lost the war and the only thing left for debate is whether they will make it into 9th at all or just get gutted.
Maybe, they build a giant cannon to shoot themselves on a moon or something. But that would be ridicu...wait.
The dwarfs MUST survive. They have to. Even if they are folded into another race, that is still surviving.
God help the dwarfs.
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2015/02/14 15:13:15
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Makes no sense for Ogres to team up with the greenskins except in a overlord type of capacity since they look at O&Gs as a source of food and/or entertainment. Conversely they have a looong history of being mercenaries in the human Empire.
Ultimately, conjecture doesn't matter because GW will change the fluff to fit their ends (pun intended).
The thing that royally irks me about the whole dwarf thing is that if Ikit could wipe out dwarf holds with a couple of suicide bomber abominations, why didn't he do it long before? Nevermind, I tried to stop making sense of GW's writing years ago because none of their writers actually seem to be able to create a coherent plot structure.
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2015/02/14 18:55:31
Subject: What will happen to the dwarfs in the next edition of WHFB?
Sigvatr wrote: It's already known that Dwarfs got their asses kicked by Skaven pretty hardcore. Dwarfs lost the war and the only thing left for debate is whether they will make it into 9th at all or just get gutted.
Maybe, they build a giant cannon to shoot themselves on a moon or something. But that would be ridicu...wait.
The dwarfs MUST survive. They have to. Even if they are folded into another race, that is still surviving.
God help the dwarfs.
I dint mind if dwarfs survive if they loathe majority of their war machines. Which is likely, as the survivors are all slayers.
If the majority of the suriviving Imperial dwarves are Slayers - and that seems to be the way they are going - they are not going to produce another generation from that gene pool.
The Empire does (or did) have asubstantial and quite well intergrated population of dwarves (which gets ignored in WFB) anyway so they might keep the race going - if any part of the Empire survives and GW don't push the reset button.
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's sake) and really the Elves. Orcs and Goblins and Ogre Kingdoms have been mostly non-existent (minus Skarsnik's appearance in Thanquol).
All kidding aside, given what i was responding to in my quote, i don't get the context of your statement given what you quoted of mine.
