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So with the changes to the Eldar codex popping up online currently, do they provide the Harlequins more than the Dark Eldar does as an ally now?

Deep Striking Falcons?
Jetbike S6 Shooting for tanks?
Swooping Hawks for flyers? (they can fly over the aircraft and make a special haywire attack.

"Shadowseers in units of scatterbikes."
Wraithknight is even more of an anti-armor beast for us.
Hawks fix our flyer problem.
Hemlocks fix our FMC problem.

I think eldar are hands down the better ally now, though I'll probably stick with just harlequins or harlequins and dark eldar for a bit until the blow back from this codex dies down. Plus, all of the tournament changes or limits will be nice to see before I make any drastic changes.

Can we take things like a masque and then say...
crimson death formation? And other formations to taste?

Not sure. Have to wait for the codex.

You can take multiple detachments. So you could take a masque + eldar formations.

However the rumor mill says that the eldar formation "detachment" requires a core guardian formation to unlock crimson death formations.

Even so, you only have to take the core detachment if you are running the war host. The constituent formations are their own formation and can therefore be used independently.

In other words, if you take the crimson death formation, you answer the issue of the harlequin anti armor/ anti flyer weakness.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Even so, you only have to take the core detachment if you are running the war host. The constituent formations are their own formation and can therefore be used independently.

In other words, if you take the crimson death formation, you answer the issue of the harlequin anti armor/ anti flyer weakness.

Not all the formations are true formations, though. It's like the Decurion where you build the detachment with multiple formations plus options of adding certain units in as well. For the Necrons, Deathmarks and Flayed Ones are examples of those, and cannot be added as a formation to any other battle forged armies. It remains to be seen how this works out for the Crimson Hunters.


Anyway, what I'm really interested in is the Seer Council. Plugging that into a Harlequin army would be pretty damn cool.

I hate to say it, but Eldar are just a better army than us. I can't point to anything in our codex other than the Death Jester without being able to point to just the previews of stuff that's better.

THAT SAID...

I'm looking forward to legitimately using my Wraithknight without it being an Unbound detachment through use of the 1 Wraithknight formation. I also will need to look to my Eldar allies for anti-air - probably the Hawks, but maybe Dark Reapers!

The single wraithknight won't be a formation,that would be an add on. The three flyers are a formation, because they aren't a squadron and gain special abilities for free when you take it.

In regards to us being weaker, nonsense. We actually have the tools required to stop their most powerful units. Single death jesters trump scatbikes (LOL), solitaire and caress squads trump wraithknight. We have invulnerable saves on everything and or phantasmancy discipline gives us more options to stop long range strD. We have haywire options and our army is fast enough to keep from being out maneuvered.

Honestly, our biggest benefit against eldar is that our pure harlequin tac list happens to have our best tools for beating eldar

 Thud wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Even so, you only have to take the core detachment if you are running the war host. The constituent formations are their own formation and can therefore be used independently.

In other words, if you take the crimson death formation, you answer the issue of the harlequin anti armor/ anti flyer weakness.

Not all the formations are true formations, though. It's like the Decurion where you build the detachment with multiple formations plus options of adding certain units in as well. For the Necrons, Deathmarks and Flayed Ones are examples of those, and cannot be added as a formation to any other battle forged armies. It remains to be seen how this works out for the Crimson Hunters.


Anyway, what I'm really interested in is the Seer Council. Plugging that into a Harlequin army would be pretty damn cool.

Where does it say you can't take deathmarks formation without taking the core detachment? Sorry I moved house last week and my Cron dex is boxed up... somewhere... Not disagreeing with you, but I can't recall reading that.

Solar Shock wrote:

 Thud wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Even so, you only have to take the core detachment if you are running the war host. The constituent formations are their own formation and can therefore be used independently.

In other words, if you take the crimson death formation, you answer the issue of the harlequin anti armor/ anti flyer weakness.

Not all the formations are true formations, though. It's like the Decurion where you build the detachment with multiple formations plus options of adding certain units in as well. For the Necrons, Deathmarks and Flayed Ones are examples of those, and cannot be added as a formation to any other battle forged armies. It remains to be seen how this works out for the Crimson Hunters.


Anyway, what I'm really interested in is the Seer Council. Plugging that into a Harlequin army would be pretty damn cool.

Where does it say you can't take deathmarks formation without taking the core detachment? Sorry I moved house last week and my Cron dex is boxed up... somewhere... Not disagreeing with you, but I can't recall reading that.

The death marks are an option in the decurion, but aren't a formation in their own right. Formations have their own symbol in the corner, have, or have the option for, multiple units in them, and give a bonus to units in them for free. Also, formations have their own page in the codex.

Ahhh yes that makes sense. Gotcha thanks.

If you can get into range, neuro disruptor troupe is the hard counter to the wraith knight. Wounds on 2+ with no armor.
I don't see death jesters as a hard counter to scatter bikes, the bikes massively out range him. You'd be banking on psychic powers to keep him from getting shot off the table, which isn't always a good bet against Eldar (farseers, psykers in troop units, unit of psykers as well).

I'll stick with my archon and medusae + venom for bikes, and shift the webway archon to a neuro disruption troupe when needed.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
If you can get into range, neuro disruptor troupe is the hard counter to the wraith knight. Wounds on 2+ with no armor.
I don't see death jesters as a hard counter to scatter bikes, the bikes massively out range him. You'd be banking on psychic powers to keep him from getting shot off the table, which isn't always a good bet against Eldar (farseers, psykers in troop units, unit of psykers as well).

I'll stick with my archon and medusae + venom for bikes, and shift the webway archon to a neuro disruption troupe when needed.

The Wraithknight is going to a be a Gargantuan Monstrous Creature. That means Fleshbane only hurts it on a 6+, not a 2+. You'll have better chances with the Fusion Pistol. Lots of Caresses or Kisses will be the way to go.

 Yarium wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
If you can get into range, neuro disruptor troupe is the hard counter to the wraith knight. Wounds on 2+ with no armor.
I don't see death jesters as a hard counter to scatter bikes, the bikes massively out range him. You'd be banking on psychic powers to keep him from getting shot off the table, which isn't always a good bet against Eldar (farseers, psykers in troop units, unit of psykers as well).

I'll stick with my archon and medusae + venom for bikes, and shift the webway archon to a neuro disruption troupe when needed.

The Wraithknight is going to a be a Gargantuan Monstrous Creature. That means Fleshbane only hurts it on a 6+, not a 2+. You'll have better chances with the Fusion Pistol. Lots of Caresses or Kisses will be the way to go.

You're reading the Garg rules wrong. Fleshbane still works, poison and sniper is on 6+.

the_scotsman wrote:
You're reading the Garg rules wrong. Fleshbane still works, poison and sniper is on 6+.

That's pretty awesome then!

I bet the Crimson Death formation is warhost only. They are not going to let just anyone take a squad of CH.

Too bad I like the idea of air support.

My original plan was an allied eldar detachment with a laughing autarch, 2 units of windriders to run interference for skyweavers and a Crimson Hunter.

Cant have the laughing autarch now, he was fun but oh well.

The Crimson Death formation for us would be to good to be true.

Crimson Death is a regular formation. Masque + Crimson Death is something I'm very much ready to try out for fun.

Well there is a God, Laughing...

Great news!! The seer council does sound fun as well to add

 Skerr wrote:
I bet the Crimson Death formation is warhost only. They are not going to let just anyone take a squad of CH.

Too bad I like the idea of air support.

My original plan was an allied eldar detachment with a laughing autarch, 2 units of windriders to run interference for skyweavers and a Crimson Hunter.

Cant have the laughing autarch now, he was fun but oh well.

The Crimson Death formation for us would be to good to be true.

Looking at the datacard right now, crimson death IS a normal formation so everyone CAN take them.

Based on the rumors, it appears that the Banshee mask is immune to overwatch. What does everyone think of an Autarch with the mask running with a unit of Harlie bikes with Zephrglaives? I hate that the mirage launchers won't work with an Eldar bike in the unit, but the bikes move so fast this may not be an issue.

I've been using Harlequins' and the Dark Eldar's ability to use Leadership negatives coupled with allied psykers with pretty good results. I thought sharing my own thoughts on the strategy might help other people, so I started a series of tactica posts on the subject, which you can find here.

Asked forge world what units in their eldar collection are available to the harlequin masque detachment via email, they said to take whatever you want from them to fill in the slots. Totally adding in my night wing interceptor to fill a fast attack slot!

Is anyone else wrecking face with the Faolchu's Blade formation? I'm running it with 2x3 Skyweavers with glaives and a few haywire cannons and *wow* is it good....

mercury14 wrote:
Is anyone else wrecking face with the Faolchu's Blade formation? I'm running it with 2x3 Skyweavers with glaives and a few haywire cannons and *wow* is it good....

what about it are you enjoying? Have you ever used dark eldar reavers? I am curious if you like the mobility or the damage output or possibly the durability. Specifically what type of unites do you hunt with them?

The fact that the Autarch can get a banshee mask that allows them to ignore overwatch is 100% worth taking as a ally.

 lambsandlions wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Is anyone else wrecking face with the Faolchu's Blade formation? I'm running it with 2x3 Skyweavers with glaives and a few haywire cannons and *wow* is it good....

what about it are you enjoying? Have you ever used dark eldar reavers? I am curious if you like the mobility or the damage output or possibly the durability. Specifically what type of unites do you hunt with them?

I've been running @ 1850...

3x Skyweavers
3x Skyweavers

Voidweaver

6x Reavers w/ 2x Caltrops, 2x HL, Arena Champion (Warlord)
6x Reavers w/ 2x Caltrops, 2x HL
6x Reavers w/ 2x Caltrops, 2x HL

7x Wyches, Raider w/NS, Hekatrix w/hwg
7x Wyches, Raider w/NS Hekatrix w/hwg

5x Trueborn w4x blasters, Raider w/DL
5x Trueborn w4x blasters, Venom
5x Trueborn w4x blasters, Venom

Lhamean, Venom

Turn two is such a bloody mess for my opponent. I'm 6-0 with this list, half the time my opponents have conceded around turn three. I plan on taking it to a regional 40-person tournament next weekend.

Is it confirmed the a single banshee mask confers no ow to an attached unit of skyweavers?

Confirmed on the banshee mask not allowing overwatch. Source: have the dex already.

Awesome, a unit of skyweavers that can be overwatched with banshee autarch on bike is great news!!


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I dont have the old or new dex in front of me. Does the jet autarch have assault grenades that a unit of attached skyweavers can benefit from?

or does the whole unit need to be equipped?