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My local FLGS got rid of all of their stock last fall at half price. They got rid of it because the game was simply not selling. I guess if they had any left that probably would have made it even cheaper by now.
Over here people have been trying to sell their armies for months and no one is picking them up. I sure am glad that I unloaded most of mine when 8th edition was released. I guess I'll keep my Dark Elves as a tribute to my younger self.
I heard that my local, intensely pro-GW club (which I naturally don't bother attending) recently started and had to cancel a Fantasy league.
The other club I go to does have occasional games of Fantasy, but at least one army is made up almost entirely of Mantic figures.
Hooray, anecdotes!
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“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
I'm about to sell a WHFB army, but only because I've exceed my self-regulated 'maximum amount of armies that you are allowed at any one time' level, and also because I haven't used it since 6-7th edition.
But, I don't feel the guilt you might expect about doing this about it as there is nothing to stop the person buying and using from KoW, even if these rumours do come to pass and 8th edition armies become unusable with 9th edition rules.
I think closer to the release of 9th there will be a lot of stuff, either made redundant in 9th or made out of finecast, that will simply vanish without anything much being said (probably when the armies list on the online store gets updated).
I think it'll be the FLGSs thay have all the fun when they can't return any old kits- "Sorry, we can't take trade-ins on those kits, they're no longer being produced." Hopefully a lot of places will be selling the core range of WHFB (i.e. plastic range) at this point and not be significantly impacted, but we'll have to wait and see.
I do continue to be glad I traded my Lizards for someone's Menoth some months ago, even if I've never actually gotten around to doing anything with them yet.
Heh. I've been waiting for this. Now is the time to buy loads of Fantasy stuff from people on eBay who are desperate to flog their minis because they think that GW has flushed WHFB down the toilet. Then use the minis to play 4th ed! Mwahahahah...
Well I sure haven't found people bailing out, in fact in the time of collecting my Skaven and High Elves, I've found people greatly marking stuff up from what it's value is, or holding on to it with an iron death grip.
I mean seriously I just need 20 Phoenix Guard and it's like pulling teeth to find a trade partner who will wheel and deal.
I'm just going to wait and see how 9th looks. I mean I'll admit I'm worried it will suck, but I have two 2500 point armies, and their respective rulebooks, and the main mini book for 8th and 7th for that matter. I'm good atm.
Now if KoW had a Skaven like faction I'd give them a look, but last I checked the people with the cats was a human faction and I hate humans in my fantasy so...if the elves get White Lions parallel I might...look I mean, I'd have to find a series that is one for one transfer of minis to rules before I switch away from GW...but...ah heck I'm rambling.
My beloved 40K armies:
Children of Stirba Order of Saint Pan Thera
KingmanHighborn wrote: Well I sure haven't found people bailing out, in fact in the time of collecting my Skaven and High Elves, I've found people greatly marking stuff up from what it's value is, or holding on to it with an iron death grip.
I mean seriously I just need 20 Phoenix Guard and it's like pulling teeth to find a trade partner who will wheel and deal.
I'm just going to wait and see how 9th looks. I mean I'll admit I'm worried it will suck, but I have two 2500 point armies, and their respective rulebooks, and the main mini book for 8th and 7th for that matter. I'm good atm.
Now if KoW had a Skaven like faction I'd give them a look, but last I checked the people with the cats was a human faction and I hate humans in my fantasy so...if the elves get White Lions parallel I might...look I mean, I'd have to find a series that is one for one transfer of minis to rules before I switch away from GW...but...ah heck I'm rambling.
The plan with KoW was to do an expansion book of minor kingdoms/army lists which would just so happen to include armies like beastlymen, lizard men, rat men etc. Originally just download/semi-official only but with the impending WHFB changes they were going to be made fully official.
Remember that planet your models used to stand on?
It's gone!
Whole planet, is no more!
I mean yeah GW will put out SOMETHING to replace it and many of the models will remain in production, but End Times already says the characters we once knew are D-E-D dead.
Not a good time to have a shelf full of WHFB stock.
So, was that image in the OP from the last End Times book? Is the world really gone? I'd like to pick up a few fantasy kits for conversion material for 40k before they've dried up. Should I be worried?
Remember that planet your models used to stand on?
It's gone!
Whole planet, is no more!
I mean yeah GW will put out SOMETHING to replace it and many of the models will remain in production, but End Times already says the characters we once knew are D-E-D dead.
Not a good time to have a shelf full of WHFB stock.
"There's no way GW would destroy their fantasy setting and kill all their best-known fantasy characters! There's no evidence for it!"
PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote: So, was that image in the OP from the last End Times book? Is the world really gone? I'd like to pick up a few fantasy kits for conversion material for 40k before they've dried up. Should I be worried?
Currently unknown which kits are going away (except for obviously characters I guess) but solid rumors from reputable sources have said that basically armies are being rolled together and the entire range is going to be reduced by a great deal and then splash releases of stuff like with end times going forward (because you silly people bought all that stuff so it means you love buying splash releases).
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
Remember that planet your models used to stand on?
It's gone!
Whole planet, is no more!
I mean yeah GW will put out SOMETHING to replace it and many of the models will remain in production, but End Times already says the characters we once knew are D-E-D dead.
Not a good time to have a shelf full of WHFB stock.
"There's no way GW would destroy their fantasy setting and kill all their best-known fantasy characters! There's no evidence for it!"
This is too funny. Instead of fixing what's wrong, just blow it up and start something over without any idea if its going to be any good or not. From a writing percpective, that's just terrible.
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PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote: So, was that image in the OP from the last End Times book? Is the world really gone? I'd like to pick up a few fantasy kits for conversion material for 40k before they've dried up. Should I be worried?
Currently unknown which kits are going away (except for obviously characters I guess) but solid rumors from reputable sources have said that basically armies are being rolled together and the entire range is going to be reduced by a great deal and then splash releases of stuff like with end times going forward (because you silly people bought all that stuff so it means you love buying splash releases).
The only thing those "solid rumors from reputable sources" have said is that there are a lot of big changes coming for the game.
There has been very little in the way of specific information concerning the armies, outside of vague mentions of an "Army of Light" with some kind of Fantasy Space Marine analogues and the starter set for 9th edition being "Chaos versus Humans".
The armies being rolled together and entire range being reduced are things that have been mentioned, but unsubstantiated to any real extent by reputable rumormongers.
The "splash releases of stuff like with End Times" as well is not the same as what has been rumored by the same source which talked about armies being "rolled together--and not in the same way that the End Times did it" and "the entire range being reduced to the point of Cavalry, Spearmen, Archers in the case of Elves for Core"--which is that new releases will only consist of limited edition models.
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Harry specifically mentioned that he didn't see certain armies surviving and the line being drastically reduced in scale. Granted he was postulating but I credit his assumptions with a great deal more weight than the guesstimations of others. I'll have to go back but he was pretty much substantiating what some other source that's been nearly 100% accurate so far has been saying.
I'm not running around with my hair on fire but I'm also not running out and buying anything.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote: So, was that image in the OP from the last End Times book? Is the world really gone? I'd like to pick up a few fantasy kits for conversion material for 40k before they've dried up. Should I be worried?
Currently unknown which kits are going away (except for obviously characters I guess) but solid rumors from reputable sources have said that basically armies are being rolled together and the entire range is going to be reduced by a great deal and then splash releases of stuff like with end times going forward (because you silly people bought all that stuff so it means you love buying splash releases).
The only thing those "solid rumors from reputable sources" have said is that there are a lot of big changes coming for the game.
There has been very little in the way of specific information concerning the armies, outside of vague mentions of an "Army of Light" with some kind of Fantasy Space Marine analogues and the starter set for 9th edition being "Chaos versus Humans".
The armies being rolled together and entire range being reduced are things that have been mentioned, but unsubstantiated to any real extent by reputable rumormongers.
The "splash releases of stuff like with End Times" as well is not the same as what has been rumored by the same source which talked about armies being "rolled together--and not in the same way that the End Times did it" and "the entire range being reduced to the point of Cavalry, Spearmen, Archers in the case of Elves for Core"--which is that new releases will only consist of limited edition models.
Wait, I thought the 9th edition starter kit was to be Orcs vs Empire?
That aside I am not liking the way WHFB is going. Whilst I am glad that we are finally pulling back to sane levels of models (skirmish sized forces) this whole ending the world thing is just plain stupid. And blowing it up is even more so. And now we are hearing that in 9th all the armies are getting compressed, we are getting fantasy Space Marines (like GW needed MORE space marines anyway), all the special and established characters have bit the dust, except for Sigmar, the whole unbound element stinks of 40K 7th ed and more to the point how the hell are we fighting if there is nothing to fight on? Floating islands in the warp? Probably
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Now I'm imagining Sigmar and Archaeon as Daffy Duck & Marvin the Martian, standing on the last fragment of an exploded planet.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
While I hate everything about Planet of the Apes...no truer words have been spoken in regards to Warhammer right now. I feel like my fear and rage is probably going to burned out though by the time 9th hits all it will see is apathy. Just one big *siiiiigh* from me right now.
My beloved 40K armies:
Children of Stirba Order of Saint Pan Thera
MWHistorian wrote: This is too funny. Instead of fixing what's wrong, just blow it up and start something over without any idea if its going to be any good or not. From a writing percpective, that's just terrible.
From what I can tell though, that seemed like the only thing they could do. They had several editions to fix what was wrong over several years and it never seemed like they would come close. They would fix one problem but create several more in the process.
Spoiler:
So I don't blame them for the nuked-from-orbit plan.
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MWHistorian wrote: This is too funny. Instead of fixing what's wrong, just blow it up and start something over without any idea if its going to be any good or not. From a writing percpective, that's just terrible.
From what I can tell though, that seemed like the only thing they could do. They had several editions to fix what was wrong over several years and it never seemed like they would come close. They would fix one problem but create several more in the process.
Spoiler:
So I don't blame them for the nuked-from-orbit plan.
That's not an issue with the process, though. That's an issue with GW refusing to learn.
They don't take the good and improve the bad from edition to edition, they simply make changes seemingly for the sake of making changes.
In reality the only difference between their usual plan and the "nuke it from orbit" plan is that they're eliminating the background, which is the major thing, in my experience, that keeps people playing.
Well my plan is still going to be sit and wait, even if it does feel like sitting on pins and needles atm.
Still if this is like the parallel to the firestorm WOTC created during 3.5 to 4th D&D.
I wonder who becomes WHFB's Pathfinder. (I.E. Oh you have an army of minis AND their rulebook? Here is how you convert those rules to OUR Fantasy battle system, which is just like the system your used too, just streamlined.)
My beloved 40K armies:
Children of Stirba Order of Saint Pan Thera
ProtoClone wrote:
From what I can tell though, that seemed like the only thing they could do. They had several editions to fix what was wrong over several years and it never seemed like they would come close.
Well, that's assuming that they wanted to fix it...
Deadawake1347 wrote:
That's not an issue with the process, though. That's an issue with GW refusing to learn.
They don't take the good and improve the bad from edition to edition, they simply make changes seemingly for the sake of making changes.
Emphasis mine. Yup. If you have the attitude that people will buy your stuff regardless of quality (because they do), why would you work towards a tight, balanced, ultimate version, when you can just shake the snowglobe every four years or so and get people to buy the same thing again?
GW's problem now is that's blown up in their faces: among other factors like skyrocketing prices, more and more people are waking up to the pointless rules churn, especially the terrible disregard for balance that affected 7th ed, and the randomfest and 'buy more hordes and big monsters' spendfest that affected 8th ed. Apparently they realise one of the latter points with the rumoured downsizing of 9th, but otherwise they still seem to be going with their old standby of just chucking out whatever's not doing so well (+ customers) rather than wonder why it's not doing so well.
To be honest, with that track record, part of me is surprised there's a 9th ed at all.
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