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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 00:13:43
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Chute82 wrote:I think the real killers (at least in my area) to WHFB is the rising cost of the product, not attracting the younger crowd, and no support for it in local stores.
Truth. Local stores would love to support it but they struggle to sell it to new players. Thus supporting what sells........ 40k. Its not that they dont its that they cant
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 00:30:00
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INSANE army lists still available!!!! Now being written in 8th edition format! I have Index Imperium 1, Index Imperium 2, Index Xenos 2, Codex Orks Codex Tyranids, Codex Blood Angels and Codex Space Marines!
PM me for an INSANE (100K+ points) if you desire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 00:42:27
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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I'm not about to sell off anything. My money is on a Mortal Kombat 9 style warning to the past from that dude tumbling through space via that glowing orb thingy. Watch them just say "oh yeah, btw we actually set the clock back to the age of Magnus the Pious" or something like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 00:45:33
Subject: Re:Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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When the current edition of Fantasy came out, before buying a rulebook, I waited to see if it drew new players in my area. Nope. No real influx..but I missed playing the game.
For the past 2 years Ive waited for a new fantasy edition because I didnt want to drop the money on a rulebook that was going to be discontinued in a year or two. Now, from what Im seeing about the direction of Warhammer Fantasy: less armies, smaller armies per battle, round bases, an advancing storyline with models made only for a limited period...I think Im better off collecting this editions stuff at the fire sale! If I wanna play warmachine, I'd play warmachine. I like big battles with rank and file blocks.
Im getting the impression that "limited number/time" is the new way for GW to force people to buy/pre order models, the way they're doing with 40k (Deathstorm, Sanctus Reach). Very annoying. At this point I'm just gonna be keeping my money in my wallet till I see what happens.
I hope most of these rumors are just that. To erase all the army books, and rule books that have been made to just start over with everything just seems strange. How could GW think players would go for that? Unless they intend to start totally fresh, players included. Players don't exist anyway, we're a figment of their imagination.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 00:48:01
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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More Dakka wrote:I'm not about to sell off anything. My money is on a Mortal Kombat 9 style warning to the past from that dude tumbling through space via that glowing orb thingy. Watch them just say "oh yeah, btw we actually set the clock back to the age of Magnus the Pious" or something like that.
That would make a whole lot more sense than what the rumors suggest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 00:48:22
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Deathstorm and Stormclaw both were just bundles of existing models for sale, at a discounted price, with a mini-rulebook and two exclusive models.
If they start doing those boxes for Fantasy?
Fine by me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 01:05:34
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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INSANE army lists still available!!!! Now being written in 8th edition format! I have Index Imperium 1, Index Imperium 2, Index Xenos 2, Codex Orks Codex Tyranids, Codex Blood Angels and Codex Space Marines!
PM me for an INSANE (100K+ points) if you desire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 01:12:49
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Somebody needs to put down the green beer and step away from the keyboard.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 01:33:37
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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agnosto wrote:Somebody needs to put down the green beer and step away from the keyboard. 
Agree
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 02:34:34
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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agnosto wrote:Somebody needs to put down the green beer and step away from the keyboard. 
Moar like fungus soda, dis 'ere is a real young 'un, sweets + hyperactive young age makes for quite an overexcited forum member.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 03:13:04
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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For me the lure of Fantasy (never played the game but bought a ton of models, novels and RPGs) was the setting.
Overlaying their fantasy world on the real world and using the full range of European and world history to flesh out their creations was a master stroke on the part of GW and made the Olde Worlde much more memorable to me than the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk or other game settings.
So blowing it up, and moving away from historical influences kills it for me in a way no amount of rule changes ever could.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 03:22:48
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:For me the lure of Fantasy (never played the game but bought a ton of models, novels and RPGs) was the setting.
Overlaying their fantasy world on the real world and using the full range of European and world history to flesh out their creations was a master stroke on the part of GW and made the Olde Worlde much more memorable to me than the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk or other game settings.
So blowing it up, and moving away from historical influences kills it for me in a way no amount of rule changes ever could.
I loved the Empire because of the Holy Roman Empire influences. I liked how it was based somewhat on history. But I'm a historian so I'm biased.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 06:25:13
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:For me the lure of Fantasy (never played the game but bought a ton of models, novels and RPGs) was the setting.
Overlaying their fantasy world on the real world and using the full range of European and world history to flesh out their creations was a master stroke on the part of GW and made the Olde Worlde much more memorable to me than the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk or other game settings.
So blowing it up, and moving away from historical influences kills it for me in a way no amount of rule changes ever could.
Precisely! I thought the world was so much more interesting than most other game settings, and I really, really enjoyed the generally 'low fantasy' setting. While there were huge monsters, and epic sorcery, the default for most people in most of the world was decidedly gritty and realistic. The average villager didn't bandy words with wizards or fight off dragons, but might have thrown a rock at a boy with webbed feet once! I scarfed up all the setting material that I could find--all of which is now purely irrelevant to the company. Just the fact that, in WFRP, you might, for example, play a ratcatcher who teams up with a ragpicker and a camp follower for adventure! Delightful, and seemingly of no interest whatsoever to the company now. The last time I remember something this drastic was when Gary Gygax was ousted from TSR, and in his last "Gord the Rogue" novel he destroyed their entire multiverse.
I just can't imagine what prompts a company to develop such a deep, abiding hatred for their own setting?
How do you develop such a loathing for your own IP that rather than modify it, or change it, or develop it, you blow it all up? It would have made more sense for me if they had simply pulled the product off the shelves, like Blood Bowl and other Specialist Games. Even though they don't make Necromunda any more, they didn't send the Inquisition to blow up the planet just because they didn't want to make the game any longer.
It also seems really, really risky in a market where people are expected to purchase, assemble, and paint models over a great period of time. Do you really want to be the company with a reputation for invalidating your entire product line in one month? I thought the whole episode with the Squats was some sort of great 'teachable moment' for GW.
I deplored the increasingly unremittingly bleak direction that Fantasy had taken (I much more enjoyed the gallows humor of the early Gotrek years), but I never imagined they would just take all of their well-developed history, background, and characters, and just toss it out with the garbage. It really makes me sad.
(It also makes me wonder what GW makes of WWI. Just because people of the time thought it was the 'first WORLD war" and the "war to end all wars", doesn't mean WWI actually embroiled every single person on the planet in war. I thought the "End Times" were called that because the inhabitants of the Old World thought they were living in the End Times, as things seemed so bleak, and not that the moniker was actually accurate.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 06:28:52
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Chute82 wrote:I think the real killers (at least in my area) to WHFB is the rising cost of the product, not attracting the younger crowd, and no support for it in local stores.
This is kinda what killed GW in my area. At one point in time we had 4 GW stores and a bunker all within 30-40 minutes of each other. There were regular veteran and noob nights, dedicated specialist games nights and a tournament for WH & 40K every month. 8th landed right around the time they started closing all of the stores. People scattered to various games stores but once the GW blinders came off and people could see that there were other games that were cheaper to play things began to fizzle. 40k hung on for a while until 6th dropped and then that fizzled too.At the FLGS you can see the occasional game of either but the crowd isn't there like it used to be. Though last week I did see a group of 4-5 kids playing 40K 3rd ed, so who knows.
I'm sure mileage varies a little everywhere, but that is how it went down around me, it wasn't the rules more lack of support and introducing alternatives. The loss of our Bunker store was the death knell for GW games around here
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 12:54:12
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Mr. S Baldrick wrote: Chute82 wrote:I think the real killers (at least in my area) to WHFB is the rising cost of the product, not attracting the younger crowd, and no support for it in local stores.
This is kinda what killed GW in my area. At one point in time we had 4 GW stores and a bunker all within 30-40 minutes of each other. There were regular veteran and noob nights, dedicated specialist games nights and a tournament for WH & 40K every month. 8th landed right around the time they started closing all of the stores. People scattered to various games stores but once the GW blinders came off and people could see that there were other games that were cheaper to play things began to fizzle. 40k hung on for a while until 6th dropped and then that fizzled too.At the FLGS you can see the occasional game of either but the crowd isn't there like it used to be. Though last week I did see a group of 4-5 kids playing 40K 3rd ed, so who knows.
I'm sure mileage varies a little everywhere, but that is how it went down around me, it wasn't the rules more lack of support and introducing alternatives. The loss of our Bunker store was the death knell for GW games around here
If I make the ride to pittsburgh or cleveland they have WHFB games going on all the time. But in my area it's pretty much warmachine and infinity is starting to get popular. The only game I have ever seen of WHFB at the LFGS in my area are the games against me and my buddy. Of the five stores in my area,all within 20 miles of me,that carry GW products none stock any fantasy besides one or two boxes. I tried talking to one store owner about having a WHFB slow grow league but it never went past our conversation. Of course 40k is also dying in my area one store tried to have a 40k escalation league and had 3 people sign up while another store had a warmachine journeyman league which attracted 28 new players. I know what the main problem people had with the 40k escalation league and it's the way the store runs the league, which the store owner does a horrible job. If GW wants to see WHFB to succeed they need to support the local store more, bring back the outriders program again and build a community.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 14:51:51
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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I don't believe 8th edition rules killed fantasy, it was GW's bungling.
Back in 6th GW supported their stores more, they had Games Day, they ran events. Now they don't do any of that. On top of that the release of new sculpts slowed down.
You would get a months in a row of 40K releases and no Fantasy releases. People seeing all the new shininess gravitated their spending money on 40K (which was doing well anyway). In other words, 40K outsold fantasy so GW doubled down on 40K, finishing fantasy off further.
Combine all that with the doom and gloom that erupted on the online community over the change in edition and here is where we are at.
The fact is any edition since 6th had good and bad. If GW would have just tweaked any of the editions (codexes and broken rules) they would have ad a good product. Instead they replace a bad rule with a worse rule, replace good rules with bad rules and then release more unbalanced codexes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 15:10:44
Subject: Re:Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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A friend of mine has put the idea in our meta to go to 3rd edition 40k. It has been pretty awesome playing 40k from then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 15:24:15
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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If my local puts fantasy on sale, I'll be buying a big chunk of chaos warriors (again). What's wrong with me??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 16:03:55
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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INSANE army lists still available!!!! Now being written in 8th edition format! I have Index Imperium 1, Index Imperium 2, Index Xenos 2, Codex Orks Codex Tyranids, Codex Blood Angels and Codex Space Marines!
PM me for an INSANE (100K+ points) if you desire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 17:06:02
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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JohnHwangDD wrote: Icculus wrote:I thought the price to get in to fantasy was about the same as 40k.
It's about the same, if your concept of 40k is Boyz-heavy Orkz, Gaunt-heavy Nids, or full-Mech Guardsman-heavy Guard played at 2,000 points - literally the most expensive ways to play 40k possible, and all sub-par in effectiveness.
WFB 8E is an expensive edition, due to the shift toward Hordes.
That shift lasted for like a year, tops. The only people who still run hordes are people who chose to play horde armies, and hobbyists who like throwing giant bricks of infantry onto the table.
There is no shift to hordes. The supposed "randomness" of 8th edition is offset by the precision of premeasuring. Perhaps these things would be apparent if you actually PLAYED the game you are criticizing.
Seriously, ITT people who don't actually play WHFB talking about what's wrong with WHFB. Why should GW give half a gak what you think, if you aren't even a customer?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 18:31:53
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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We wrote:I don't believe 8th edition rules killed fantasy, it was GW's bungling.
Back in 6th GW supported their stores more, they had Games Day, they ran events. Now they don't do any of that. On top of that the release of new sculpts slowed down.
You would get a months in a row of 40K releases and no Fantasy releases. People seeing all the new shininess gravitated their spending money on 40K (which was doing well anyway). In other words, 40K outsold fantasy so GW doubled down on 40K, finishing fantasy off further.
Combine all that with the doom and gloom that erupted on the online community over the change in edition and here is where we are at.
The fact is any edition since 6th had good and bad. If GW would have just tweaked any of the editions (codexes and broken rules) they would have ad a good product. Instead they replace a bad rule with a worse rule, replace good rules with bad rules and then release more unbalanced codexes.
I could not agree with you more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 19:28:20
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Because we used to be customers? Moreover customers who have sufficient emotional investment to still talk about WHFB long after we stopped playing?
Holy market research Batman!
Personally, my favourite edition was Warhammer Ancient Battles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 19:32:12
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Silent Puffin? wrote:
Because we used to be customers? Moreover customers who have sufficient emotional investment to still talk about WHFB long after we stopped playing?
Holy market research Batman!
Personally, my favourite edition was Warhammer Ancient Battles.
Most rational companies would be curious as to how to get you to return to spending with them again, not making sure you don't come back, ever. But hey, nobody ever accused GW of being a rational company.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 19:36:43
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Most rational companies would be curious as to how to get you to return to spending with them again, not making sure you don't come back, ever. But hey, nobody ever accused GW of being a rational company.
I exalt this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 20:58:22
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agnosto wrote: Silent Puffin? wrote:
Because we used to be customers? Moreover customers who have sufficient emotional investment to still talk about WHFB long after we stopped playing?
Holy market research Batman!
Personally, my favourite edition was Warhammer Ancient Battles.
Most rational companies would be curious as to how to get you to return to spending with them again, not making sure you don't come back, ever. But hey, nobody ever accused GW of being a rational company.
"Curious how to get previous players to return to the game" and "alienating existing players to satisfy the complaints of players who haven't played the game in a decade, and may or may not actually follow through on playing again" are two very different things.
As far as most players are concerned, "players" being CURRENT customers of GW, the game is in the best state it's ever been in. Almost every book has been updated to the present edition. Balance between the books has never been better. There is significant variety in terms of what armies are placing strongly at tournaments, a welcome change from previous years. Though there are no concrete sales numbers, there are a significant number of tournaments worldwide that are growing more and more each year.
People who play 8th like 8th, and spend money on GW products as a result. People who don't like 8th haven't spent money in a decade, and given how little the complaints resemble the reality of the system they're bemoaning I sincerely doubt many would actually crack open their wallets whatever the changes GW might make to the new edition. More likely they'll simply alienate current players, and attract none of the retired players back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 21:06:18
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I was an 8th ed GW customer. My main complaint at the moment is their secrecy.
I'm on a purchasing freeze because they will never confirm nor deny any rumours surrounding next edition even though it is likely finished & off to the printers.
I refuse to buy anythhing new because I don't know what the future holds but if they would come out & give me SOMETHING I'd likely make purchases again. The only things I have bought since September have been the end times books because I like the story & the rules can be fun in casual games. Since they're done I'm on a total freeze until we know more.
Wyrd & PP are both very forthcoming with what is comming down the pipes, I wish GW would at least give us something. even just a "Hey these rumours <list> are completely false.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 22:30:12
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PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote: agnosto wrote: Silent Puffin? wrote:
Because we used to be customers? Moreover customers who have sufficient emotional investment to still talk about WHFB long after we stopped playing?
Holy market research Batman!
Personally, my favourite edition was Warhammer Ancient Battles.
Most rational companies would be curious as to how to get you to return to spending with them again, not making sure you don't come back, ever. But hey, nobody ever accused GW of being a rational company.
"Curious how to get previous players to return to the game" and "alienating existing players to satisfy the complaints of players who haven't played the game in a decade, and may or may not actually follow through on playing again" are two very different things.
As far as most players are concerned, "players" being CURRENT customers of GW, the game is in the best state it's ever been in. Almost every book has been updated to the present edition. Balance between the books has never been better. There is significant variety in terms of what armies are placing strongly at tournaments, a welcome change from previous years. Though there are no concrete sales numbers, there are a significant number of tournaments worldwide that are growing more and more each year.
People who play 8th like 8th, and spend money on GW products as a result. People who don't like 8th haven't spent money in a decade, and given how little the complaints resemble the reality of the system they're bemoaning I sincerely doubt many would actually crack open their wallets whatever the changes GW might make to the new edition. More likely they'll simply alienate current players, and attract none of the retired players back.
Funny how you put words in quotes that are completely different from what I wrote...Rational companies that do actual market research and care to see further than their proverbial noses actually do attempt to retain customers; customer loyalty counts for quite a bit in nearly, if not all, industries. You can scoff all you like but that is a factual reality in the business world. Happy customers are returning customers and returning customers generate consistent revenue. GW wants return custom, they are just run by a bunch of clowns that have no idea how to go about getting it; people who are so focused on squeezing the last few thousand fans out of their hard earned money that they fail to realize what earnings an expanded customer base could bring. Profitability in a publicly traded company is expected but growth is also something that long-term investors look for; if you're focused on short-term investors, you're backing a losing strategy, one that will eventually wind up costing you.....as we're seeing in the company now.
I don't know where your edition tangent came from because it had nothing to do with anything that I said. If you had actually asked me, I like 8th edition, except for the magic phase with certain spells being entirely too powerful so they went completely the opposite direction with some other things like the banner of the world dragon but GW's rules writers have always been reactionary IMOP.
I'm curious as to where exactly you pulled this statement from:
Though there are no concrete sales numbers
Because, as a publicly traded company, GW reports sales numbers on a semi-annual basis. Until January last year, I was a fairly sizable stock owner myself and as such used to be an intensely interested party when receiving and reading these numbers that you somehow think don't exist. The rest of your statements are entirely anecdotal though I suppose if I were inclined I could attempt to find these significant numbers of worldwide tournaments that you mentioned though to counter, WHFB is completely dead in my area.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/18 22:58:11
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PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote: Icculus wrote:I thought the price to get in to fantasy was about the same as 40k.
It's about the same, if your concept of 40k is Boyz-heavy Orkz, Gaunt-heavy Nids, or full-Mech Guardsman-heavy Guard played at 2,000 points - literally the most expensive ways to play 40k possible, and all sub-par in effectiveness.
WFB 8E is an expensive edition, due to the shift toward Hordes.
That shift lasted for like a year, tops. The only people who still run hordes are people who chose to play horde armies, and hobbyists who like throwing giant bricks of infantry onto the table.
There is no shift to hordes. The supposed "randomness" of 8th edition is offset by the precision of premeasuring. Perhaps these things would be apparent if you actually PLAYED the game you are criticizing.
Seriously, ITT people who don't actually play WHFB talking about what's wrong with WHFB. Why should GW give half a gak what you think, if you aren't even a customer?
My gentle suggestion for you would be to engage your brain before you post claims that someone isn't a customer. My signature clearly enumerates over 31,000 points of GW product, of which 4,500 points is Dogs of War for Warhammer Fantasy, and that ignores my BFG and other SG stuff. I've played GW games starting with Dark Future, and I played Fantasy from the start of the modern era, 6th onward. There are multiple pictures showing various GW whatnots I've built and painted. I still play 40k, etc. I am definitely a GW customer, whether you like it or not. As an actual customer with a not insubstantial investment in GW product, including WFB product, GW should give quite a few gaks what I think.
As for what's wrong with WFB, I also hazard a guess that part of what's wrong with the game might well include persons with attitudes such as yourself, shooting from the hip with unsubstantiated accusations and claims. Whether one plays, or not, they are still a customer, and that is something you should get straight in your head..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/19 01:58:51
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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GW's master plan to go direct has made a tremendous leap forward. By blowing up the WHFB book, they have effectively ensured that intelligent FLGS owners won't purchase or order stock, so that when the new, glorious edition strikes, you'll HAVE to order it from GeeDub's AMAZING website or fully staffed Warhammer store.
All according to plan....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/19 04:12:29
Subject: Anyone putting WHFB on clearance yet?
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Nasty Nob
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PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:
As far as most players are concerned, "players" being CURRENT customers of GW, the game is in the best state it's ever been in.
If, for a single moment, I thought that this was true, then what company decides:
Our game is in the best state it has ever been. Let's completely destroy the entire setting!
I'm not claiming 8th edition is the spawn of Satan, but I don't see many companies completely gutting their IP when it is at the peak of development.
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