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SeanDrake wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Some posters have said that the End Times fluff books were well written. Is that the consensus? Having read the spoilers on 4chan, I got the impression the End Times were hastily thrown together and a bit Wardish on the fluff. However, if they are enjoyable to read for their own sake, then I'll put them on my wishlist to buy after the End Times have been Stor of Chaosed and come down significantly in price used.

That would be because they contained the wards last work for GW , also in another thread there was an interview with the writer of the last et book who said he was given a month to write it.

So far I've only read Nagash and Glottkin, and I'm currently taking part in an effort to fan-translate Nagash to Spanish.

I can say Glottkin looked to me like a quite sub-par juvenile fantasy book. Regarding Nagash, it's painfully obvious there were several different authors involved, some of them clearly better than others.

I'd bet an ear and a knee that Ward was involved. The word "Alas" appears from time to time, specially in the most silly parts. And yup, the whole tone of the story is a bit Wardish indeed. More specifically, the usual "I think Keldur Dreigu is a pretty cool guy, eh kills deamons and doesn't afraid of anything" takes place frequently (aka overpowered, all-mighty special characters), and GW writers are still almost completely unable to narrate battles without having the main characters on each side doing everything (the nameless mooks are there just to get killed).

 Korinov wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Some posters have said that the End Times fluff books were well written. Is that the consensus? Having read the spoilers on 4chan, I got the impression the End Times were hastily thrown together and a bit Wardish on the fluff. However, if they are enjoyable to read for their own sake, then I'll put them on my wishlist to buy after the End Times have been Stor of Chaosed and come down significantly in price used.

That would be because they contained the wards last work for GW , also in another thread there was an interview with the writer of the last et book who said he was given a month to write it.

So far I've only read Nagash and Glottkin, and I'm currently taking part in an effort to fan-translate Nagash to Spanish.

I can say Glottkin looked to me like a quite sub-par juvenile fantasy book. Regarding Nagash, it's painfully obvious there were several different authors involved, some of them clearly better than others.

I'd bet an ear and a knee that Ward was involved. The word "Alas" appears from time to time, specially in the most silly parts. And yup, the whole tone of the story is a bit Wardish indeed. More specifically, the usual "I think Keldur Dreigu is a pretty cool guy, eh kills deamons and doesn't afraid of anything" takes place frequently (aka overpowered, all-mighty special characters), and GW writers are still almost completely unable to narrate battles without having the main characters on each side doing everything (the nameless mooks are there just to get killed).

Khaine was wards last book. I am unsure if he was involved in Nagash or Glottkin.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Some posters have said that the End Times fluff books were well written. Is that the consensus? Having read the spoilers on 4chan, I got the impression the End Times were hastily thrown together and a bit Wardish on the fluff. However, if they are enjoyable to read for their own sake, then I'll put them on my wishlist to buy after the End Times have been Stor of Chaosed and come down significantly in price used.

That would be because they contained the wards last work for GW , also in another thread there was an interview with the writer of the last et book who said he was given a month to write it.

So far I've only read Nagash and Glottkin, and I'm currently taking part in an effort to fan-translate Nagash to Spanish.

I can say Glottkin looked to me like a quite sub-par juvenile fantasy book. Regarding Nagash, it's painfully obvious there were several different authors involved, some of them clearly better than others.

I'd bet an ear and a knee that Ward was involved. The word "Alas" appears from time to time, specially in the most silly parts. And yup, the whole tone of the story is a bit Wardish indeed. More specifically, the usual "I think Keldur Dreigu is a pretty cool guy, eh kills deamons and doesn't afraid of anything" takes place frequently (aka overpowered, all-mighty special characters), and GW writers are still almost completely unable to narrate battles without having the main characters on each side doing everything (the nameless mooks are there just to get killed).

Khaine was wards last book. I am unsure if he was involved in Nagash or Glottkin.

It is highly unlikely that Ward was actually heavily involved with any of them, seeing as how he left the company middle to late last year.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Some posters have said that the End Times fluff books were well written. Is that the consensus? Having read the spoilers on 4chan, I got the impression the End Times were hastily thrown together and a bit Wardish on the fluff. However, if they are enjoyable to read for their own sake, then I'll put them on my wishlist to buy after the End Times have been Stor of Chaosed and come down significantly in price used.

That would be because they contained the wards last work for GW , also in another thread there was an interview with the writer of the last et book who said he was given a month to write it.

So far I've only read Nagash and Glottkin, and I'm currently taking part in an effort to fan-translate Nagash to Spanish.

I can say Glottkin looked to me like a quite sub-par juvenile fantasy book. Regarding Nagash, it's painfully obvious there were several different authors involved, some of them clearly better than others.

I'd bet an ear and a knee that Ward was involved. The word "Alas" appears from time to time, specially in the most silly parts. And yup, the whole tone of the story is a bit Wardish indeed. More specifically, the usual "I think Keldur Dreigu is a pretty cool guy, eh kills deamons and doesn't afraid of anything" takes place frequently (aka overpowered, all-mighty special characters), and GW writers are still almost completely unable to narrate battles without having the main characters on each side doing everything (the nameless mooks are there just to get killed).

Khaine was wards last book. I am unsure if he was involved in Nagash or Glottkin.

It is highly unlikely that Ward was actually heavily involved with any of them, seeing as how he left the company middle to late last year.

He was heavily involved with Khaine. IIRC he WROTE khaine. Remember you need to write, then do art, then layout, then send to publisher, then ship, THEN release. This takes time so the writing was likely done 6-9 months before it was released, I believe ward confirmed he wrote khaine in an interview in which he also confirmed it was his last work with GW though I cannot find it. Plus Khaine released late last year.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Some posters have said that the End Times fluff books were well written. Is that the consensus? Having read the spoilers on 4chan, I got the impression the End Times were hastily thrown together and a bit Wardish on the fluff. However, if they are enjoyable to read for their own sake, then I'll put them on my wishlist to buy after the End Times have been Stor of Chaosed and come down significantly in price used.

That would be because they contained the wards last work for GW , also in another thread there was an interview with the writer of the last et book who said he was given a month to write it.

So far I've only read Nagash and Glottkin, and I'm currently taking part in an effort to fan-translate Nagash to Spanish.

I can say Glottkin looked to me like a quite sub-par juvenile fantasy book. Regarding Nagash, it's painfully obvious there were several different authors involved, some of them clearly better than others.

I'd bet an ear and a knee that Ward was involved. The word "Alas" appears from time to time, specially in the most silly parts. And yup, the whole tone of the story is a bit Wardish indeed. More specifically, the usual "I think Keldur Dreigu is a pretty cool guy, eh kills deamons and doesn't afraid of anything" takes place frequently (aka overpowered, all-mighty special characters), and GW writers are still almost completely unable to narrate battles without having the main characters on each side doing everything (the nameless mooks are there just to get killed).

Khaine was wards last book. I am unsure if he was involved in Nagash or Glottkin.

It is highly unlikely that Ward was actually heavily involved with any of them, seeing as how he left the company middle to late last year.

He was heavily involved with Khaine. IIRC he WROTE khaine. Remember you need to write, then do art, then layout, then send to publisher, then ship, THEN release. This takes time so the writing was likely done 6-9 months before it was released, I believe ward confirmed he wrote khaine in an interview in which he also confirmed it was his last work with GW though I cannot find it. Plus Khaine released late last year.

Just go to his website.

http://www.thetowerofstars.co.uk/#!books/c1kiz

He claims to have written parts of Nagash and Khaine.

SeanDrake wrote:

Well there's warhammer total war, but since they did not pay gw for the license I doubt gw give a flying feth about them.

That's the first I have heard of this, source?

GW and Sega were supposed to have negotiated the WHFB license just after Sega acquired the 40K license when THQ was auctioned off. I find it extremely hard to believe that GW will get nothing from Sega.

Soooooo, I'm guessing it's a bad time to get into WHFB?

It's better than the 5E-6E transition, but not as good as the 6E-7E transition.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Well there's warhammer total war, but since they did not pay gw for the license I doubt gw give a flying feth about them.

That's the first I have heard of this, source?

GW and Sega were supposed to have negotiated the WHFB license just after Sega acquired the 40K license when THQ was auctioned off. I find it extremely hard to believe that GW will get nothing from Sega.

My understanding was the licence was picked up along with the 40k one when they purchased parts of THQ, the only negotiation was sega explaining to GW that the licence had transferred to them in the purchase and that they did not need to pay GW again for it.

I am not sure of the terms of the license but it seems likely that GW will get royalties from sales, but they were originally looking to get the upfront payment again.

 Spinner wrote:

What's next? Getting rid of Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka because his name's a pretty clear joke about Margaret Thatcher? Nah, GeeDub wouldn't change the name of a long-standing part of their world on a whim like -

*looks at Astra Militarum Codex*

...oh...noooooooo...

"Astra Militarum" That was for copyright/trademark reasons... Imperial guard is not something GW can brand as theirs.

Ward wrote parts of Nagash, and Khaine...it was the last thing he worked on before he left. Remember, they've got stuff ready to go a few weeks before we see it, otherwise they couldn't keep up with production schedules.


So much DOOM and GLOOM in this thread.

I forsee the rulebook for fantasy dropping in may. Next month should be Admech, by all rumors and leaks..and then I would think they would drop fantasy's next rulebook...and it would also time nicely for last year's 40k rulebook drop in terms of GW stores trying to make numbers.

I'm looking forward to the new rulebook and a new box set. I foresee humans (probably the "Warriors of Light" vs either undead legions or chaos legions). Should be fun

SeanDrake wrote:

My understanding was the licence was picked up along with the 40k one when they purchased parts of THQ,

The WHFB license wasn't held by THQ, they only had 40K.

Sega actually announced that they had acquired the license for WHFB the month before the THQ auction so it was almost certainly unconnected.

I don't know anything about the agreement but there will certainly be money involved and as such I doubt that Sega is impressed with GW blowing up the world.

What if GW has now forced the change from Warhammer:Total War to End Times: Total War


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 Schlyne wrote:

"Astra Militarum" That was for copyright/trademark reasons... Imperial guard is not something GW can brand as theirs.

Which the CHS case has shown to be an irrelevance.

The real funny part is that all those expensive end times books are nothing more then shelf fillers when the new edition comes out. Pointed that out to some people and they were gutted. Welcome to the new age of GW invalidating your books and armies faster then you can learn them.

 Bottle wrote:
I'm looking forward to the new rulebook and a new box set. I foresee humans (probably the "Warriors of Light" vs either undead legions or chaos legions). Should be fun

It's "warriors of light" Vs. Chaos as reported by BOLS and they've been pretty dead on.

Well, I was going to invest more into my Tomb Kings and start getting them and Nagash painted, but I guess I'll just focus on 40k then. >.>

Yeah I would not get to comfy with 40k either. I have a reliable rumour that once the new edition of fantasy get's squeezed out, they are going to turn there attention to 40k for a similar shake up. I just don't have a reliable timescale for how long it will take for them to get it done.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
I'm looking forward to the new rulebook and a new box set. I foresee humans (probably the "Warriors of Light" vs either undead legions or chaos legions). Should be fun

It's "warriors of light" Vs. Chaos as reported by BOLS and they've been pretty dead on.

Awesome. If it's going to take a focus on skirmish, I wonder if they'll start putting scenery in the box again too.

SeanDrake wrote:
Yeah I would not get to comfy with 40k either. I have a reliable rumour that once the new edition of fantasy get's squeezed out, they are going to turn there attention to 40k for a similar shake up. I just don't have a reliable timescale for how long it will take for them to get it done.

Umm, I doubt they would put so much effort into all these new codexes coming out so fast and then do something to ruin it all. Plus, oh no, a planet was destroyed. That's not really scary in 40k.

 krodarklorr wrote:
Plus, oh no, a planet was destroyed. That's not really scary in 40k.

The Emperor's throne has just broken. Everyone dies.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
I'm looking forward to the new rulebook and a new box set. I foresee humans (probably the "Warriors of Light" vs either undead legions or chaos legions). Should be fun

It's "warriors of light" Vs. Chaos as reported by BOLS and they've been pretty dead on.

lolwat?

BoLS has had some MAJOR wrongness. They were reporting that Elves were going to get a massive Avatar of Khaine kit and Dwarfs were going to get some kind of stone golem.

They've had some "dead on" rumors, but that's mostly stuff they reposted from sources that had proven themselves in the past.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
The Emperor's throne has just broken. Everyone of the Imperium dies.

I fixed that for you. And I'm okay with it.

 krodarklorr wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Yeah I would not get to comfy with 40k either. I have a reliable rumour that once the new edition of fantasy get's squeezed out, they are going to turn there attention to 40k for a similar shake up. I just don't have a reliable timescale for how long it will take for them to get it done.

Umm, I doubt they would put so much effort into all these new codexes coming out so fast and then do something to ruin it all. Plus, oh no, a planet was destroyed. That's not really scary in 40k.

Kind of like how they just put the effort into all all these new books for Fantasy...

Funny, because my thought with 40k was "well they just put out all these codices so fast, they're probably going to do something to ruin it all."

I don't know, I think GW is fully capable with putting out all this unique armies only to squash them out after a 6 month run of $100 end times books just to invalidate them with the new edition.

Yup, that is totally their style.

Im just guessing here but I really doubt GW is just dropping fantasy for a few months. Its been a constant back and forth between 40k and the superior(in my humble opinion, I play both) fantasy systems. This upcoming month will be purely 40k, but the following month... Im betting on a part 6 of the endtimes, or a standalone supplement "the remaking" that will set up for a july release of 9th edition.

 krodarklorr wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Yeah I would not get to comfy with 40k either. I have a reliable rumour that once the new edition of fantasy get's squeezed out, they are going to turn there attention to 40k for a similar shake up. I just don't have a reliable timescale for how long it will take for them to get it done.

Umm, I doubt they would put so much effort into all these new codexes coming out so fast and then do something to ruin it all. Plus, oh no, a planet was destroyed. That's not really scary in 40k.

You mean exactly like they just did with fantasy?

Also not blow up the planet but blow up the universe. Kill the emprah, no more astronomicon, no more travel or communication. New age of darkness & people living in localized "bubbles" with chaos everywhere... and we're starting to sound familiar eh?

who knows maybe they will just do a re boot and have the 9th edition rules simply be the 8th edition rules cleaned up (you can tell I haven't slept fully for a while there lol)

tbh I wouldn't put it passed GW just simply adding or taking away rules in 9th edition and saying that the world was recreated to how it was 2,000 years before the end times :-/

 Kanluwen wrote:
and Dwarfs were going to get some kind of stone golem.

Man I wish..made a thread about lack of golems lol

Anyway I was kind of hoping this world implosion thing was to better warhammer rather than make the game smaller or get rid of it all together (probably a pipe dream considering GW)
Like the new world would have a greater seal on magic/chaos domain over the world because its so new. Like magic is much harder to come by so rarer and more powerful than been just about everywhere. Maybe skip to story forward a few thousand years and make the end times a very old fairytale to the modern peoples of the new world like some lord of the rings war of wrath thing. Change all the dynamics/ lore of the races.
As said have magical things like dragons be super rare or even the last of their kind in some places and have certain things from warhammer now nothing but old tales that might be re-discovered. Go like hardcore fantasy world not so much World of warcraft ridiculous looking models and heroes.

IDK really just spit balling

 GentlemanGuy wrote:
who knows maybe they will just do a re boot and have the 9th edition rules simply be the 8th edition rules cleaned up (you can tell I haven't slept fully for a while there lol)

tbh I wouldn't put it passed GW just simply adding or taking away rules in 9th edition and saying that the world was recreated to how it was 2,000 years before the end times :-/

I'd be more or less OK with this. Honestly a fresh reboot of some lore could do well to get rid of some tropes and some special characters who honestly I'd rather see die & NOT rise 3 days later, I'm looking at you Jesus... Uhhh I mean Tyrion.

 AtomicEngineer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
and Dwarfs were going to get some kind of stone golem.

Man I wish..made a thread about lack of golems lol

Anyway I was kind of hoping this world implosion thing was to better warhammer rather than make the game smaller or get rid of it all together (probably a pipe dream considering GW)
Like the new world would have a greater seal on magic/chaos domain over the world because its so new. Like magic is much harder to come by so rarer and more powerful than been just about everywhere. Maybe skip to story forward a few thousand years and make the end times a very old fairytale to the modern peoples of the new world like some lord of the rings war of wrath thing. Change all the dynamics/ lore of the races.
As said have magical things like dragons be super rare or even the last of their kind in some places and have certain things from warhammer now nothing but old tales that might be re-discovered. Go like hardcore fantasy world not so much World of warcraft ridiculous looking models and heroes.

IDK really just spit balling

So, you want stone golems and a world with almost no magic at the same time?

Or maybe you secretly just want to play historicals.

No, no, if you think about it, the idea makes sense. You've got a human-centric world where magic is there, but mistrusted and feared because it can very easily lead to terrible things. You have an apocalyptic legend about Chaos almost overwhelming the world, only to be held back by mighty heroes and great sacrifice. It's more grounded in reality - maybe some oblique references to real-world cultures and kingdoms in the factions, but you've also got some magical weirdness with the other races. Dragons and such are hard to find, but terrifyingly powerful to face, and people aren't throwing around magic weapons like they're candy. Heck, maybe one or two of the crazier factions could be seen as semi-mythical in-universe, to help emphasize the low fantasy of the setting?

I quite like it, actually, I'd pick that up in a heartbeat -

Oh, wait.