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It was last year, during the PM phase. They gave me feedback on what they thought of my posts in the other thread and I gave them feedback on the way I thought the campaign/post campaign had been run, as well as some general other chat about work and life and such.

I've chatted extensively with several staff members. Much as many of us complain (those of us who are veterans of the last campaign that is) there are some genuinely decent folks over there and I really do think they like what they do, and like making good minis for everyone to enjoy.

 Azazelx wrote:
It was last year, during the PM phase. They gave me feedback on what they thought of my posts in the other thread and I gave them feedback on the way I thought the campaign/post campaign had been run, as well as some general other chat about work and life and such.

Oh, I thought maybe you had discussed issues of a romantic nature. Shame really.

I can't go as heavy as I did with the TGG kickstarter, but I will be on board.. looking to see what bonuses we get etc before I finalize any pledges.. but much like Brook, Guard always need some holy custodians to walk among them.

Also will have one eye on the Dark Eldar.. and the sisters.. if there are some models of note.. the long planned (awaiting plastic sisters) goal of me and Aura having these opposing forces may come to pass.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
It was last year, during the PM phase. They gave me feedback on what they thought of my posts in the other thread and I gave them feedback on the way I thought the campaign/post campaign had been run, as well as some general other chat about work and life and such.

Oh, I thought maybe you had discussed issues of a romantic nature. Shame really.

Perhaps if I were able to type in French - the language of romance, but alas, no - I'm far from fluent..

Joyboozer wrote:
That would explain how she reloads her gun, with her hair!

honestly shes probably the figure ill back for initially then up it via paypal ( if i can)

And from the comments in the other thread, it appears they need to launch this one post haste because, well, they are out of stock on some of the troops. Yeah, before general release, and while having said that "all of Wave 2 was out."

Blatant lie, only anecdote that makes them look bad for no reason? Who knows?

 Haljin wrote:
Kickstarter is not a pre-order, but as far as I'm aware, the creator is obliged to at least provide the pledge rewards that he promised. It could be that RH never puts TGG up for regular sale and never pursues this business again, but legally they are obliged to give the rewards or money back.

From the Kickstarter FAQ:

Who is responsible for completing a Kickstarter project as promised?


It's the project creator's responsibility to complete their project. Kickstarter is not involved in the development of the projects themselves.

Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.

Can Kickstarter refund the money if a project is unable to fulfill?


No. Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds as transactions are between backers and creators directly. Creators receive all funds (less fees) soon after their campaign ends.



For projects that launched before October 19, 2014, please see our previous Terms of Use.



What is a creator obligated to do once their project is funded?


When a project is successfully funded, the creator is responsible for completing the project and fulfilling each reward. Their fundamental obligation to backers is to finish all the work that was promised. Once a creator has done so, they’ve fulfilled their obligation to their backers. At the same time, backers must understand that Kickstarter is not a store. When you back a project, you’re helping to create something new — not ordering something that already exists. There’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised. If a creator is absolutely unable to complete the project and fulfill rewards, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to a satisfying conclusion for their backers. For more information, see Section 4 of our Terms of Use.

When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.

Throughout the process, creators owe their backers a high standard of effort, honest communication, and a dedication to bringing the project to life. At the same time, backers must understand that when they back a project, they’re helping to create something new — not ordering something that already exists. There may be changes or delays, and there’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised.

If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
•they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
•they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;
•they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
•they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
•they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.

The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers.

It is quite possible that a company can fund and never full fill their requirements. You can take legal action against them, but that's no guarantee you will get your money back. Certainly it is in their interest to full fill their promises if they want to stay in business in their current field, but projects have failed without giving anything back. Here is an article on the subject in regards to video games: http://gamerant.com/kickstarter-video-game-failure-rate/

Who needs money? Talking smack on the internet is the best revenge.

To quote an ancient proverb, revenge is a dish best served with animated gifs.

I'm hoping to keep this one on target until the campaign is over at the very least.

Karazax wrote:

 Haljin wrote:
Kickstarter is not a pre-order, but as far as I'm aware, the creator is obliged to at least provide the pledge rewards that he promised. It could be that RH never puts TGG up for regular sale and never pursues this business again, but legally they are obliged to give the rewards or money back.

From the Kickstarter FAQ:
Snip stuff about terms of service.

There are lots of people who have used Kickstarter to Steal from unsuspecting customers, Raging Heroes is not one of them. There's are far more famous person who uses lies, intimidation and their gender to stop any sort of action against themselves. And they are lauded as the most influential person of the age so when they are brought to justice then ill allow you to go after RH.

I've been on both sides of KS and its not as great as you think.


Edit apologies for mega quote I've shortened it. But it needed to be said.


I'm still shocked about the time duration.

Okay, first, don't do a mega quote and give such a short reply. Secondly, please take it to another thread and keep this one on target.

 BrookM wrote:
Okay, first, don't do a mega quote and give such a short reply. Secondly, please take it to another thread and keep this one on target.

Sorry as you see it's shortened . Do you think they will launch on time like last time?

Yes, the merits and flaws of the Kickstarter platform have been discussed nigh onto death and this is not the topic for this thread.

Define "on time like last time."

migooo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Okay, first, don't do a mega quote and give such a short reply. Secondly, please take it to another thread and keep this one on target.

Sorry as you see it's shortened . Do you think they will launch on time like last time?

Will I be mocked and ridiculed if I get the answer wrong?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yes, the merits and flaws of the Kickstarter platform have been discussed nigh onto death and this is not the topic for this thread.

That wasn't the point of my post. They are not the worst offenders not by a long shot.

Anyway. From what I've seen I'm not keen on the resin they use sometimes it can be sticky ( that's the best way of describing it) however they haven't answered my problem with this.

They might start late ( like they did last time )







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 BrookM wrote:

migooo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Okay, first, don't do a mega quote and give such a short reply. Secondly, please take it to another thread and keep this one on target.

Sorry as you see it's shortened . Do you think they will launch on time like last time?

Will I be mocked and ridiculed if I get the answer wrong?

We don't have the taunting French people from Monty python sorry.

Well, I'm going to say it will launch on time this time round.

edit.

I've placed my bet.

Unless they decide to change an image last minute, then it'll launch a couple of hours late.

I wonder when we'll see some renders. The drawings look good but I'd like to see how the sister stuff translates into models. Thinking of adding some as a small inquisitor retinue for when I eventually actually maybe one day get the stuff from KS1.

If they truly need this one because current TGG items are out of stick, then I really don't know If I'll jump on this one.

TGG has already outlasted my patience with dealing with Geedub.

That's why I kept thinking that the concept art for this isn't nearly as detailed as the previous one! - they had a fair few renders for the previous campaign.

Makes me wonder what the initial pledge goal will be this time round. Last time it was 12k, though I suppose that one was a wee bit artificial no?

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
If they truly need this one because current TGG items are out of stick, then I really don't know If I'll jump on this one.

TGG has already outlasted my patience with dealing with Geedub.

I'm actually kinda the opposite here, I understand the difficulties of being a new company. What I don't want to happen is a Mantic thing where they just seek KS after KS to generate new Editions.

They have my loyalty for now. but its a wary one.

I don't see Mantic in that way, and I've certainly been a critic of many aspects of their KS policy.



I think KoW is a great game, for example, but putting out some rules and list fixes is a good thing - though we all know that the rules are a supplement and lubricant to the toy soldiers that they fund. Likewise, DZ2 having new/updated/revised rules is really more of a side effect of their attempts to gain more funding for hard plastic for DeadZone/Warpath. It's all about funding their new figures with the rules updates being much more of a byproduct of that.

It is kinda annoying that I've only had the last of the DZ1 stuff for a very short time and they're already asking for money for DZ2, though. At least KoW had a good amount of time between drinks.

 Azazelx wrote:
I don't see Mantic in that way, and I've certainly been a critic of many aspects of their KS policy.

Good points.

Perhaps it's me then but I did feel when they tried to redo chess it was a little too far for my tastes.

But I'm not overly fond of their figures. I had some complimentary stuff but I felt they were very sub par especially as they are trying to go up against GW.

Now that fantasy has rumoured to be cut back to oblivion I'm tempted to look at their fantasy rules again. Mantic could, could do well if they can get their figures up to a better quality. But this isn't the topic.

I'll definitely be getting the "Bayonetta" figure and hopefully some of the other dark elves and nuns. If they did wood elves and Dwarves I wouldn't look anywhere else. ( raging heroes )

So now that this has date attached to it and promises to obliterate any and all disposable income and beyond, could anyone tell me what savings there were in the TGG KS compared to the current retail offerings?

I'd kinda hoped this wouldn't launch in March with so much else going on KS-wise, but c'est la vie.

I look at these three concept images and get super excited by what RH is offering again. Looking at the quality of the TTG sculpts there is no doubt a lot of this concept flows through to the minis; however, I mentioned in the other TTG thread, and will raise it again here, where the quality of the mini (re translation from the concept) suffers in my mind is at the detailing around the fine cloth on the minis. The minis I have seen posted all have quite thick cloth (from the body connection out to the edge of the cloth) where that cloth is blowing/flowing around the figure - they haven't seemed to be able to keep the mini version of the cloth thin enough to suggest it is really blowing. It is particularly noticeable where the cloth comes to an edge - it has never seemed to come to a nice sharp thin edge, but rather a thicker, rounded edge. Not sure if that's an artifact of their sculpting/casting process.

It worries me when I look at Dakriss's dragon wings, veil and dress skirts; Kraash's loincloth and chains; and the Davidians prayer scrolls/papers. If they come out at render/product stage thick and rounded, it would upset the overall aesthetic IMHO - being a lump of rounded resin/metal, rather than a finely sculpted piece of kit.

I will put in enough to be part of this but until I see renders, they will not see much money.

I wonder how many pages this thread will hit before the KS even starts?

I hope they're onto the renders by now. Concept sketches are good, and RH have a history of doing very faithful conversions of concept art, but I want to see more than just concept art for this.