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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 09:52:45
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Breotan wrote:Iran is the big choke point between Asia and Africa? Does Egypt know about this?
The geopolitical choke point.
Heck, it's not just Africa. It's the Silk Road being open again too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 11:23:43
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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China's historic connection to Africa was aquatic. That primarily remains the same, but it also has planes now; and the Trans-Siberian railway links it to Europe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 12:43:56
Subject: Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Although I wish for Iran to open up its a very different situation to the NIxon in China story. You can draw up a few comparisons but the balance the world was in was quite different from today.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 14:41:47
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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dogma wrote:China's historic connection to Africa was aquatic. That primarily remains the same, but it also has planes now; and the Trans-Siberian railway links it to Europe.
Both air and sea connections are easy to disrupt not just by the US, but by India in the near future as well. China has no intention of letting Russia be the intermediary between them and Europe either.
It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Having a direct land connection to both Europe and Africa that bypasses US naval hegemony AND the Russians is paramount to China.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 20:22:20
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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His Master's Voice wrote:
Both air and sea connections are easy to disrupt not just by the US, but by India in the near future as well. China has no intention of letting Russia be the intermediary between them and Europe either.
China doesn't really have a choice, unless it wants to build a railway through Indian allies and hostile states.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 20:36:45
Subject: Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Courageous Grand Master
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When China becomes the world's biggest economy, they won't need to fight anybody. Things will take care of themselves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 23:13:51
Subject: Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Holy Crap, has anyone listened to Christine Fair and her lecture series on Pakistan? Why aren't we worried about these nut jobs and their nuclear weapons but we are worried about the Iranians?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 23:34:21
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Because India has nukes to.
I remember when Pakistan tested their first nuke.......and then eventually India tested their nuke.......and we wonder if North Korea was going to launch a massive invasion South when rumors came around they had nukes.....then Cuba still have the installations ready to receive nukes from Russia..........Israel we kind of knew had nukes.....then the US Air Force got a brain fart and flew nukes across the US coast to coast....we're in a high word "nuke" usage world.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 00:09:13
Subject: Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Hallowed Canoness
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Soooo world war three any one?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:15:27
Subject: Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Sgt_Scruffy wrote:Holy Crap, has anyone listened to Christine Fair and her lecture series on Pakistan? Why aren't we worried about these nut jobs and their nuclear weapons but we are worried about the Iranians?
Because Iran is our “enemy” and Pakistan is our “ally”. Remember those words mean nothing about us sharing values or long term goals or anything, it is about immediate money and power.
That is no explanation because as you said yourself, Israel has nuke too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:20:38
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Oh come now
US of A has nukes. USSR had nukes
US of A has nukes. FDR has nukes
Pakistan has nukes. India has nukes.
Israel has nukes. Iran might get nuked
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:21:56
Subject: Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Sgt_Scruffy wrote:Holy Crap, has anyone listened to Christine Fair and her lecture series on Pakistan? Why aren't we worried about these nut jobs and their nuclear weapons but we are worried about the Iranians?
Because Iran is our “enemy” and Pakistan is our “ally”. Remember those words mean nothing about us sharing values or long term goals or anything, it is about immediate money and power.
Why?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:34:22
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Cheaper to supply logistical support overland from Karachi Pakistan then have everything flown in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:34:56
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Jihadin wrote:Cheaper to supply logistical support overland from Karachi Pakistan then have everything flown in.
could do the same from Iran... if they weren't an "enemy"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:38:04
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Uzbekistan is cheaper. Which we do at times if we coordinate with Uzbeki Jingle truck haulers to have border crossing papers. Some odd reason Afghan's do not like Uzbeki's
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:43:42
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Jihadin wrote:Uzbekistan is cheaper. Which we do at times if we coordinate with Uzbeki Jingle truck haulers to have border crossing papers. Some odd reason Afghan's do not like Uzbeki's
You have to fly supplies into uzbekistan, you can ship them into Iran - which is a stable country by the way. Unlike the primary supporters of the the Taliban.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 01:45:16
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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His Master's Voice wrote: dogma wrote:China's historic connection to Africa was aquatic. That primarily remains the same, but it also has planes now; and the Trans-Siberian railway links it to Europe.
Both air and sea connections are easy to disrupt not just by the US, but by India in the near future as well. China has no intention of letting Russia be the intermediary between them and Europe either.
It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Having a direct land connection to both Europe and Africa that bypasses US naval hegemony AND the Russians is paramount to China.
You don't really think China is going to send its armies into Iran and Egypt, do you? It is far, far more profitable for them to gain an indirect but reliable connection by establishing close ties with Iran and Russia rather than fighting them. China has definitely been making moves towards this. They have set up quite a lot of treaties with Russia over the past years, founded the SCO, and there is already a lot of cooperation between China and Iran. China also seems to be warming up to India lately (India even applied for SCO membership last year). The lifting of sanctions against Iran would also mean Iran could finally join the SCO.
Also, why would the US or India want to disrupt China's connections to Africa? They would have to use force to do so, and that could mean war. War with China is not really in the interests of both the US and India.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 02:06:53
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Sgt_Scruffy wrote: Jihadin wrote:Uzbekistan is cheaper. Which we do at times if we coordinate with Uzbeki Jingle truck haulers to have border crossing papers. Some odd reason Afghan's do not like Uzbeki's
You have to fly supplies into uzbekistan, you can ship them into Iran - which is a stable country by the way. Unlike the primary supporters of the the Taliban.
Oh Gaddang not Uzbekistan.....so many damn Stan's Sorry about that Scruffy.
Turkmenistan being we barged quite a lot of "equipment" from Germany.
Uzbekistan was for something else. Only used for over flow in case Manas was full
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 16:00:50
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Chuckie Schumer is "bucking" the WH:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/chuck-schumer-bucks-white-house-on-iran-116713.html
Meh... this really reads to me that Schumer is willing to assert the authority of Congress as a coequal branch to be involved in the process. Plus, he's known to cross the aisle for anything impacting Israel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 16:19:47
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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whembly wrote:
Meh... this really reads to me that Schumer is willing to assert the authority of Congress as a coequal branch to be involved in the process.
The Legislative branch's powers are separate from that of the Executive and Judicial. They carry the same overall importance, but not in the same areas of state activity; notably SUPCOM can strike down legislation and the President can veto it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/07 16:47:59
Subject: Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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Hallowed Canoness
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You will need to ask a more precise question if you want a meaningful answer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/21 16:12:13
Subject: Re:Nixon's China Policy is Obama's Iran Dream
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Sooo... Obama & crews are slowed.
Obama Kept Iran's Short Breakout Time a Secret
By Eli Lake
The Barack Obama administration has estimated for years that Iran was at most three months away from enriching enough nuclear fuel for an atomic bomb. But the administration only declassified this estimate at the beginning of the month, just in time for the White House to make the case for its Iran deal to Congress and the public.
Speaking to reporters and editors at our Washington bureau on Monday, Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz acknowledged that the U.S. has assessed for several years that Iran has been two to three months away from producing enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon. When asked how long the administration has held this assessment, Moniz said: "Oh quite some time." He added: "They are now, they are right now spinning, I mean enriching with 9,400 centrifuges out of their roughly 19,000. Plus all the . . . . R&D work. If you put that together it's very, very little time to go forward. That's the 2-3 months."
Brian Hale, a spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, confirmed to me Monday that the two-to-three-month estimate for fissile material was declassified on April 1.
Here is the puzzling thing: When Obama began his second term in 2013, he sang a different tune. He emphasized that Iran was more than a year away from a nuclear bomb, without mentioning that his intelligence community believed it was only two to three months away from making enough fuel for one, long considered the most challenging task in building a weapon. Today Obama emphasizes that Iran is only two to three months away from acquiring enough fuel for a bomb, creating a sense of urgency for his Iran agreement.
Back in 2013, when Congress was weighing new sanctions on Iran and Obama was pushing for more diplomacy, his interest was in tamping down that sense of urgency. On the eve of a visit to Israel, Obama told Israel's Channel Two, "Right now, we think it would take over a year or so for Iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon, but obviously we don’t want to cut it too close."
On Oct. 5 of that year, Obama contrasted the U.S. view of an Iranian breakout with that of Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who at the time said Iran was only six months away from nuclear capability. Obama told the Associated Press, "Our assessment continues to be a year or more away. And in fact, actually, our estimate is probably more conservative than the estimates of Israeli intelligence services."
Ben Caspit, an Israeli journalist and columnist for Al-Monitor, reported last year that Israel's breakout estimate was also two to three months away.
A year ago, after the nuclear talks started, Secretary of State John Kerry dropped the first hint about the still-classified Iran breakout estimate. He told a Senate panel, "I think it is fair to say, I think it is public knowledge today, that we are operating with a time period for a so-called breakout of about two months."
David Albright, a former weapons inspector and president of the Institute for Science and International Security, told me administration officials appeared to be intentionally unspecific in 2013, when the talking points used the 12-months-plus timeline. "They weren't clear at all about what this one-year estimate meant, but people like me who said let's break it down to the constituent pieces in terms of time to build a bomb were rebuffed," he said. Albright's group released its own breakout timetable that focused solely on the production of highly enriched uranium, not the weapon itself. It concluded Iran was potentially less than a month away.
When USA Today asked a spokeswoman for the National Security Council about Albright's estimate, she responded that the intelligence community maintained a number of estimates for how long Iran would take to produce enough material for a weapon.
"They have made it very hard for those of us saying, let's just focus on weapons-grade uranium, there is this shorter period of time and not a year," Albright told me. "If you just want a nuclear test device to blow up underground, I don't think you need a year."
This view is supported by a leaked document from the International Atomic Energy Agency, first published by the Associated Press in 2009. Albright's group published excerpts from the IAEA assessment that concluded Iran "has sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable implosion nuclear device based upon (highly enriched uranium) as the fission fuel."
Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA analyst who is now an Iran expert at the Brookings Institution, told me that most of the technical estimates about an Iranian breakout were not nearly as precise as they are sometimes portrayed in the press. "The idea there is such a thing as a hard and fast formula for this is nonsense," he said. "All the physicists come up with different answers depending on what inputs they use."
In this way, Obama's new, more alarmist figure of two to three months provides a key selling point for the framework reached this month in Switzerland. When Obama announced the preliminary agreement on April 2, he said one benefit was that if it were finalized, "even if it violated the deal, for the next decade at least, Iran would be a minimum of a year away from acquiring enough material for a bomb."
Hence the frustration of Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. "We've been researching their claim that a deal would lengthen the breakout time for Iran from two to three months to a year," he told me of the administration. "We're just trying to confirm any of their numbers and we can't confirm or make sense of what they are referencing."
Nunes should hurry. The Iranian nuclear deal is scheduled to breakout in less than three months.
So, this administration declassifies the report that intelligence has known for years... that Iran's breakout period is about 3 months. ("breakout" meaning, if desired, it'll take them 3 months to make/ignite one).
So, why declassify now???? To get us to panic to support his "deal"??
O.o
All the more reason to scrutinize the deal in all of it's minute details.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/21 16:40:58
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US Naval vessels......Hell a carrier group is establishing blockade on Yemen. Possible arms/recruit shipment to Yemen from Iran
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/21 16:46:53
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Jihadin wrote:US Naval vessels......Hell a carrier group is establishing blockade on Yemen. Possible arms/recruit shipment to Yemen from Iran
That was the exact stated purpose, yes. I'm not sure if it's related in any way to the Iran nuke deal or not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/21 17:15:45
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So Iran has 2/3 month away from getting the bomb for years. Just tells you how much they want it, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/21 17:48:51
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They probably do want it bad enough... it's just that they need to be sure. Which is while they're stockpiling fissonable materials.
You essentially get one shot at it. (most likely needing to detonate one to prove it AND convince the world that they have others ready to go).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/21 17:49:51
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Problem would come from Israel. Would they do a first strike or wait to become the test target
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/22 10:14:54
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Jihadin wrote:Problem would come from Israel. Would they do a first strike or wait to become the test target
Unless Israeli are really, really dense they would know that they would never be the target of a nuke from the current Iranian government, or any foreseeable future one. IRI is not ISIS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/22 14:20:34
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Jihadin wrote:Problem would come from Israel. Would they do a first strike or wait to become the test target
Unless Israeli are really, really dense they would know that they would never be the target of a nuke from the current Iranian government, or any foreseeable future one. IRI is not ISIS.
Do you have the utmost belief that IRI won't assist with other terrorist groups to use the nukes? (even if it's a dirty bomb style?)
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I have the utmost belief that IRI is too clever to work against its own interest. If it was that stupid, it would have collapsed long ago, instead of becoming a regional power despite the embargo and all the US pressure against them.
Their interest is Israel being a convenient scapegoat, and a useful propaganda tool for their agenda and interest. The status quo serve them perfectly for that. A war against Israel, which would be inevitable should any terrorist organization use Persian nukes, would be absolutely disastrous and would lead to the end of IRI, or at least an Iran in ruins even if by some trick I cannot even imagine they would manage to win the war. Not a profitable outcome.
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