Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

This is just a random poll to see what the dakkanaughts think is the worst army right now. By worst I mean easiest to beat, hardest to win with, not the most OP army.

Voted SoB. I haven't seen too much of them in 7th, but Orks, SoB, DA, and Dark Eldar seem to be the bottom tier armies right now.

SoB aren't too bad, but I can't remember seeing DA win a game :c

 Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:
SoB aren't too bad, but I can't remember seeing DA win a game :c

I may be biased by the fact that they are the least supported of the core armies.

Should probably specify forgeworld - yes/no.

I'm interested to know who voted Tyranids, who are by no means the worst army. Wasn't the LVO winner a Nids player?

So far it appears that Dark Angels are rated as the absolute worst with Orks in a distant 2nd and nobody else nearby.

Uh.. I would vote on this thread, but when I was looking through the list the only Chaos entry was just that, Chaos. The "Chaos" Factions are so diverse that some factions of it don't even share one unit between each other and basically NONE play the same. Please separate them out.

To help you here are the different Chaos armies:

Chaos Daemons

Chaos Space Marines

Renegades and Heretics

Khorne Daemonkin

So why is this in the Proposed Rules forum?

 dragoonmaster101 wrote:
Uh.. I would vote on this thread, but when I was looking through the list the only Chaos entry was just that, Chaos. The "Chaos" Factions are so diverse that some factions of it don't even share one unit between each other and basically NONE play the same. Please separate them out.

To help you here are the different Chaos armies:

Chaos Daemons

Chaos Space Marines

Renegades and Heretics

Khorne Daemonkin

Wait, what are you considering the Renegades and Heretics army? The FW list? Isn't that several editions out of date now? Other than that, I agree with you. Daemons are on a different tier than CSM. The Khorne Daemonkin rulebook is so new it's tough to place it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, this should probably be moved to General Discussion.

 fallinq wrote:

 dragoonmaster101 wrote:
Uh.. I would vote on this thread, but when I was looking through the list the only Chaos entry was just that, Chaos. The The Khorne Daemonkin rulebook is so new it's tough to place it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, this should probably be moved to General Discussion.

All we know is that KDK is obviously going to be better than CSM.

No they got redone with imperial armour 13 warmachines of the lost and the damned

Renegades just came out in 2014, and Renegades of Vraks is even newer. AND has a fancy new detachment or two. Pretty pretty.

Anyway, because it said current, I wouldn't vote for Dark Angels or Chaos. They're not on par with current releases. They might be hardcover books, but the points, units and armies are ridiculously antiquated. So, Orks get my vote.

CSM, DA, and Sisters occupy the bottom at present; I selected CSM because they don't have Imperial allies to plug holes.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
CSM, DA, and Sisters occupy the bottom at present; I selected CSM because they don't have Imperial allies to plug holes.

They have Daemon allies though, which are still pretty dang good. Anyway, I think we're ignoring allies and looking at each army as though it were self-contained. In which case, I'm gonna say Dark Angels.

Anybody who thinks SoB is a terrible army has obviously never played with/against them.

They also have Renegade allies in IA:13 and Vraks. May as well have Imperial Allies for all intents and purposes.

Orks got the green end of the stick... They made the assault army that wants to be in assaults beat itself up, and gets swept away so ridiculously easy in combat.

Orks don't win attrition, die in droves every turn and get worse as the game goes on... compared to.... Dark Eldar that actually get better.

I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.

I knew there'd be a decent amount of sisters votes just because people assume that they must be bad if no one plays them.

Play them a few times on vassal or with proxies, then look at their real life price tag, and you'll realize that their efficacy on the table has nothing to do with how rare they are. I had a first round of a game where my enemy succeeded every shot, and I failed literally every save, and lost plenty of girls. The dice were normal for the rest of the game, with him never getting really unlucky for anything... Tabled him turn 6.

From a competitive standpoint, like in BAO style missions, orks take the maelstrom secondary really easily. To beat them I always aim for primary + first blood and linebreaker, and just assume maelstrom secondary is a lost cause. They usually line break me too, since I nope the heck out of my zone rather than get steamrolled.

As a BA player, I'm thankful dark angels exist. :p

 Rippy wrote:
I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.

CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.

CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.

Seconded. Followed by the new Admech army.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.

CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.

Seconded. Followed by the new Admech army.

Really? It isn't very good?

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.

CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.

Yeah I can get behind that sentance.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.

CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.

Seconded. Followed by the new Admech army.

Really? It isn't very good?

It's too squishy at the end of the day.

Dark angels can be quite effective with rad nades, plazma, skilled rider and hit and run on everything.

I've found it hard to make pure MT work properly. They're so limited.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.

CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.

Seconded. Followed by the new Admech army.

Really? It isn't very good?

It's too squishy at the end of the day.

we'll have to see how it works out. I think people over state the problems with it, yeah you have a fair bit of S7+ on the table top but if anyone's using that en masse to clear INFANTRY you proably didn't bring eneugh armor

Sob beat me every time if combined with guard. Although it's extremely rare I lose to nids, I would say more than a year now undefeated against them.

 koooaei wrote:
Dark angels can be quite effective with rad nades, plazma, skilled rider and hit and run on everything.

I've found it hard to make pure MT work properly. They're so limited.

They're *really* bad. Having leave the vast majority of the heavy lifting to T3 4+sv Ld7/8 infantry with only 2 special weapons per unit that cost almost double what a Carapace Vet costs just is not something that works well.

The rules for the Skitarii Vanguard are what I always thought Stormtroopers/Scions should be almsot exactly (just add Deep Strike). If they were kitted like that, at that cost, with access to some Chimeras and Vendettas, the army might function. As is, outside of 500-1000pt games, MT just don't work well as anything but allies.

I voted IG, but damn if it wasn't hard to choose between them, DA and CSM.

All three have one, maybe two semi-effective builds, but all suffer from horrendous internal balance and suffer from design stuck in early 5th edition in spite of when they were published; super-low customization, low unit synergy and few answers to the really powerful units out there. All three are heavily reliant on Forgeworld to make "TAC" lists or keep a themed list afloat. DA and CSM were pretty good when they first came out, reasonably well balanced against 5th edition books and offered genuine improvement over the books they replaced, though not as much as they had hoped. I voted for IG mostly because the IG did not enjoy that brief renaissance when they came out, well after the power codexes with the Tank Commander as the only addition that made anyone happy.

I'm surprised with the loathing for Orks however; they certainly aren't very good, but I see a lot more successful orks than Guardsmen, Dark Angels or Chaos Space Marines.