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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 03:59:34
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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This is just a random poll to see what the dakkanaughts think is the worst army right now. By worst I mean easiest to beat, hardest to win with, not the most OP army.
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I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 04:11:15
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Tunneling Trygon
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Voted SoB. I haven't seen too much of them in 7th, but Orks, SoB, DA, and Dark Eldar seem to be the bottom tier armies right now.
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Hive Fleet Aquarius 2-1-0
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/527774.page |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 04:19:00
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Sinewy Scourge
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SoB aren't too bad, but I can't remember seeing DA win a game :c
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 04:20:13
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Tunneling Trygon
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I may be biased by the fact that they are the least supported of the core armies.
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Hive Fleet Aquarius 2-1-0
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/527774.page |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 04:32:16
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Drone without a Controller
Logan, UT
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Should probably specify forgeworld - yes/no.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/04/05 04:33:39
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 04:34:07
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Tunneling Trygon
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I'm interested to know who voted Tyranids, who are by no means the worst army. Wasn't the LVO winner a Nids player?
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Hive Fleet Aquarius 2-1-0
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/527774.page |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 22:11:48
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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So far it appears that Dark Angels are rated as the absolute worst with Orks in a distant 2nd and nobody else nearby.
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I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 22:16:27
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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Uh.. I would vote on this thread, but when I was looking through the list the only Chaos entry was just that, Chaos. The "Chaos" Factions are so diverse that some factions of it don't even share one unit between each other and basically NONE play the same. Please separate them out.
To help you here are the different Chaos armies:
Chaos Daemons
Chaos Space Marines
Renegades and Heretics
Khorne Daemonkin
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/04/05 22:17:06
[Khorne Daemonkin Warband] 4/4/0 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 23:15:45
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Lord of the Fleet
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So why is this in the Proposed Rules forum?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 23:40:47
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
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dragoonmaster101 wrote:Uh.. I would vote on this thread, but when I was looking through the list the only Chaos entry was just that, Chaos. The "Chaos" Factions are so diverse that some factions of it don't even share one unit between each other and basically NONE play the same. Please separate them out.
To help you here are the different Chaos armies:
Chaos Daemons
Chaos Space Marines
Renegades and Heretics
Khorne Daemonkin
Wait, what are you considering the Renegades and Heretics army? The FW list? Isn't that several editions out of date now? Other than that, I agree with you. Daemons are on a different tier than CSM. The Khorne Daemonkin rulebook is so new it's tough to place it. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, this should probably be moved to General Discussion.
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40k is 111% science.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 23:48:38
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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fallinq wrote: dragoonmaster101 wrote:Uh.. I would vote on this thread, but when I was looking through the list the only Chaos entry was just that, Chaos. The The Khorne Daemonkin rulebook is so new it's tough to place it.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, this should probably be moved to General Discussion.
All we know is that KDK is obviously going to be better than CSM.
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[Khorne Daemonkin Warband] 4/4/0 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 23:48:50
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Rampaging Khorne Dreadnought
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No they got redone with imperial armour 13 warmachines of the lost and the damned
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/05 23:50:37
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Tunneling Trygon
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Renegades just came out in 2014, and Renegades of Vraks is even newer. AND has a fancy new detachment or two. Pretty pretty.
Anyway, because it said current, I wouldn't vote for Dark Angels or Chaos. They're not on par with current releases. They might be hardcover books, but the points, units and armies are ridiculously antiquated. So, Orks get my vote.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 01:32:01
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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CSM, DA, and Sisters occupy the bottom at present; I selected CSM because they don't have Imperial allies to plug holes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 01:44:42
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
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AnomanderRake wrote:CSM, DA, and Sisters occupy the bottom at present; I selected CSM because they don't have Imperial allies to plug holes.
They have Daemon allies though, which are still pretty dang good. Anyway, I think we're ignoring allies and looking at each army as though it were self-contained. In which case, I'm gonna say Dark Angels.
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40k is 111% science.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 01:45:47
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Anybody who thinks SoB is a terrible army has obviously never played with/against them.
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Argel Tal and Cyrene: Still a better love story than Twilight |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 01:46:01
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Tunneling Trygon
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They also have Renegade allies in IA:13 and Vraks. May as well have Imperial Allies for all intents and purposes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 04:15:46
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Orks got the green end of the stick... They made the assault army that wants to be in assaults beat itself up, and gets swept away so ridiculously easy in combat.
Orks don't win attrition, die in droves every turn and get worse as the game goes on... compared to.... Dark Eldar that actually get better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 04:21:19
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 04:39:16
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
Little Rock, Arkansas
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I knew there'd be a decent amount of sisters votes just because people assume that they must be bad if no one plays them.
Play them a few times on vassal or with proxies, then look at their real life price tag, and you'll realize that their efficacy on the table has nothing to do with how rare they are. I had a first round of a game where my enemy succeeded every shot, and I failed literally every save, and lost plenty of girls. The dice were normal for the rest of the game, with him never getting really unlucky for anything... Tabled him turn 6.
From a competitive standpoint, like in BAO style missions, orks take the maelstrom secondary really easily. To beat them I always aim for primary + first blood and linebreaker, and just assume maelstrom secondary is a lost cause. They usually line break me too, since I nope the heck out of my zone rather than get steamrolled.
As a BA player, I'm thankful dark angels exist. :p
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20000+ points
Tournament reports:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 05:23:32
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Rippy wrote:I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.
CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.
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40k:
8th Edtion: 9405 pts - Varantekh Dynasty |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 05:33:22
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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krodarklorr wrote: Rippy wrote:I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.
CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.
Seconded. Followed by the new Admech army.
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Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 05:34:09
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Really? It isn't very good?
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40k:
8th Edtion: 9405 pts - Varantekh Dynasty |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 05:35:51
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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krodarklorr wrote: Rippy wrote:I picked Chaos. Only because so many of our units are unusable.
CSM and DA are definitely the worst armies at the moment.
Yeah I can get behind that sentance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 06:24:49
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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It's too squishy at the end of the day.
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Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 06:28:16
Subject: Re:Worst (CURRENT) Army
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Dark angels can be quite effective with rad nades, plazma, skilled rider and hit and run on everything.
I've found it hard to make pure MT work properly. They're so limited.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 07:03:46
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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we'll have to see how it works out. I think people over state the problems with it, yeah you have a fair bit of S7+ on the table top but if anyone's using that en masse to clear INFANTRY you proably didn't bring eneugh armor
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 07:50:10
Subject: Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Sob beat me every time if combined with guard. Although it's extremely rare I lose to nids, I would say more than a year now undefeated against them.
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3000 - 天空人民军队
1500
2000+ - The Sun'zu Cadre.
2000 Pt of Genestealers
1500 Pt of Sisters
'Serve the people'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 08:02:21
Subject: Re:Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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koooaei wrote:Dark angels can be quite effective with rad nades, plazma, skilled rider and hit and run on everything.
I've found it hard to make pure MT work properly. They're so limited.
They're *really* bad. Having leave the vast majority of the heavy lifting to T3 4+ sv Ld7/8 infantry with only 2 special weapons per unit that cost almost double what a Carapace Vet costs just is not something that works well.
The rules for the Skitarii Vanguard are what I always thought Stormtroopers/Scions should be almsot exactly (just add Deep Strike). If they were kitted like that, at that cost, with access to some Chimeras and Vendettas, the army might function. As is, outside of 500-1000pt games, MT just don't work well as anything but allies.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/06 09:08:31
Subject: Re:Worst (CURRENT) Army
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Wing Commander
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I voted IG, but damn if it wasn't hard to choose between them, DA and CSM.
All three have one, maybe two semi-effective builds, but all suffer from horrendous internal balance and suffer from design stuck in early 5th edition in spite of when they were published; super-low customization, low unit synergy and few answers to the really powerful units out there. All three are heavily reliant on Forgeworld to make "TAC" lists or keep a themed list afloat. DA and CSM were pretty good when they first came out, reasonably well balanced against 5th edition books and offered genuine improvement over the books they replaced, though not as much as they had hoped. I voted for IG mostly because the IG did not enjoy that brief renaissance when they came out, well after the power codexes with the Tank Commander as the only addition that made anyone happy.
I'm surprised with the loathing for Orks however; they certainly aren't very good, but I see a lot more successful orks than Guardsmen, Dark Angels or Chaos Space Marines.
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Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
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