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The lone MT primary at the Adepticon 40k qualifiers actually placed better than every single AM primary army.

http://www.adepticon.org/?page_id=9626

Just thought it was an interesting point to note.

DA can make a half decent attempt at being white scars with Ravenwing. CSM can't even do that. Yes, CSM has daemon allies, but then, every point spent on CSM is a point not spent on daemons, so why would you bother?

I'm sorry. I voted Mechanicus, just because you said, "Don't even try". That just elicited some kind of Pavlovian response to click it

But being serious, you are missing Harlequins, though they like Sisters have little to choose from, so I'm not sure they should be even on the list.

In the correct spirit of your question, I'd give the honors to Dark Angels, out of the main current factions.

Tyranids.

Tau.

SGTPozy wrote:
Tau.

You make me laugh...

Yoyoyo wrote:
The lone MT primary at the Adepticon 40k qualifiers actually placed better than every single AM primary army.

http://www.adepticon.org/?page_id=9626

Just thought it was an interesting point to note.

That's not saying much though. The player's army consisted of 3 codices with very expensive models, I bet that the vast majority of the points was spent on GK/IK.
Furthermore, despite IG's flaws they still make for one of the most slot efficient allied armies in the game, which explains their frequent representation as allies and not main detachment.

SGTPozy wrote:
Tau.

My army is the worst. Everyone else's army is

DA and CSM with CSM been a little more effective against other armies.

Dark Angels.

Basically any army that I play, so shortly to include CSM & Khorne Daemonkin.

 koooaei wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
Tau.

My army is the worst. Everyone else's army is

Pretty much

 Zewrath wrote:
That's not saying much though. The player's army consisted of 3 codices with very expensive models, I bet that the vast majority of the points was spent on GK/IK.
Furthermore, despite IG's flaws they still make for one of the most slot efficient allied armies in the game, which explains their frequent representation as allies and not main detachment.

There's not much to say, we don't have a list and we don't know how it played out on the table. Still interesting though.

My top 3 would be, in no particular order:
-Ork
-Dark Angels
-Chaos Space Marine.

Chaos Space Marine and Dark Angels need to be back up to 7th edition. Ork are just Ork.

Talking stand alone:

Orks can put out a decent shooty list with kannons, lobbas, bikes, buggies and grot tanks, all very shooty and all very cheap, also going across 3 different slots. It's just most don't run orks as shooty as that's not what they are supposed to be. Not the best but no where near as poor as DA.
DA is my number 1. CSM second IF FW isn't included.
Orks second if it is.
Although if Militarum Tempestus was in the list that would be the outright winner.

Oh almost forgot - Legion of the Damned is literally the worst stand alone army since they auto lose.

It's amazing some people voted Tau/Eldar/Nids. Then again they could have been joking.

I voted CSM, but rethinking it Dark Angels are for sure the weakest right now. At least CSM are getting new supplements to fill gaps, whereas DA have been largely forgotten.

DA are rumored to be coming later this year at least. Hopefully they see some massive improvement.

I agree with most though. DA are easily the worst out there with Chaos not doing much better. Haven't played against Orks since like 6th edition so can't comment on them.

I vote for Dark Angels since Khorne Daemonkin isn't here. The new Codex for the Blood God just is not cut out to be an effective assault army in 7th edition where assaulting is very difficult. They lose AUTOMATICALLY whenever playing Purge the Alien, unless your opponent plays Dark Eldar, but even then, they would still have a hard time.

The problem is that they while they have many good melee units, none of them breaks the mould. They don't have any equivalent of Draigo or Dante. The last time I fought against them, my Dreadknight singlehandedly slew the Maulerfiend, the Beserkers, the Possessed and the Chaos Lord with the Axe of Khorne.

You cant dangle a "dont even try" in the poll and not expect people to click it

But really i feel like orks would be the easiest to beat.
Generally mono build and nearly everything you take should be good against them.


But DA just seems to have a bad case of AP2 everywhereism.

Raven wing wasnt sooo bad IIRC.

 Desubot wrote:
You cant dangle a "dont even try" in the poll and not expect people to click it

But really i feel like orks would be the easiest to beat.
Generally mono build and nearly everything you take should be good against them.


But DA just seems to have a bad case of AP2 everywhereism.

Raven wing wasnt sooo bad IIRC.

yeah, and one could make a case that the Skitarii have some serious flaws. their heaviest armor is AV 12.

Yeh but if that's a proviso of being the worst army then it means nids auto win.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
You cant dangle a "dont even try" in the poll and not expect people to click it

But really i feel like orks would be the easiest to beat.
Generally mono build and nearly everything you take should be good against them.


But DA just seems to have a bad case of AP2 everywhereism.

Raven wing wasnt sooo bad IIRC.

yeah, and one could make a case that the Skitarii have some serious flaws. their heaviest armor is AV 12.

IIRC there is a heavy Skitarii vehicle coming out, right? Looked kind of like a tank turret on top of a Defiler. Or has this already been released at AV12?

Dark Angels are really bad followed by CSM.

And SOB aren't bad, I had little problem winning with them unless I came across serpent spam or something other super list.

I'd vote Nids for the most boring, least inspired dex. Or maybe AM. They're pretty awful.

I vote DA. I play them just because I have a good sized DA army and like using lots of land speeders and I like a challenge. They are absolute rubbish though. Mostly cause they can't take grav guns and pay more for less.

I'm capable of wrecking house with CSM from time to time....with Nids, even with the formations and drop-pods, not so much.

So I'm voting for Tyranids over CSM, with the realization that I may just haven't figured out how to play well with them yet.

Caveat: I do not and will not play with more than 2 Flyrants, and I know there is some high-powered 5 Flyrant thing going around.

 jasper76 wrote:
I'm capable of wrecking house with CSM from time to time....with Nids, even with the formations and drop-pods, not so much.

So I'm voting for Tyranids over CSM, with the realization that I may just haven't figured out how to play well with them yet.

Caveat: I do not and will not play with more than 2 Flyrants, and I know there is some high-powered 5 Flyrant thing going around.

You make a good point, and I had to realize something similar. Any codex can be garbage if you're not power-gaming. I personally run a pretty unoptimized CSM list, but dammit I love the models I have and the theme (plasma Forgefiends never make their points back...).

Same with Nids and the Flyrant spam that seems to be so common now, sure if you run blobs of Gaunts they'll just get blasted off the table. But if I'm not in a tournament then a win is'int all that important to me.

 clamclaw wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
You cant dangle a "dont even try" in the poll and not expect people to click it

But really i feel like orks would be the easiest to beat.
Generally mono build and nearly everything you take should be good against them.


But DA just seems to have a bad case of AP2 everywhereism.

Raven wing wasnt sooo bad IIRC.

yeah, and one could make a case that the Skitarii have some serious flaws. their heaviest armor is AV 12.

IIRC there is a heavy Skitarii vehicle coming out, right? Looked kind of like a tank turret on top of a Defiler. Or has this already been released at AV12?

It's AV 12.

That said, Eldar have nothing above AV 12 either. AV is not the be all and end all.

niv-mizzet wrote:


As a BA player, I'm thankful dark angels exist. :p

Starting out with Dark Angels is the reason I moved to Blood Angels

 Ascalam wrote:

 clamclaw wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
You cant dangle a "dont even try" in the poll and not expect people to click it

But really i feel like orks would be the easiest to beat.
Generally mono build and nearly everything you take should be good against them.


But DA just seems to have a bad case of AP2 everywhereism.

Raven wing wasnt sooo bad IIRC.

yeah, and one could make a case that the Skitarii have some serious flaws. their heaviest armor is AV 12.

IIRC there is a heavy Skitarii vehicle coming out, right? Looked kind of like a tank turret on top of a Defiler. Or has this already been released at AV12?

It's AV 12.

That said, Eldar have nothing above AV 12 either. AV is not the be all and end all.

Very true, though Eldar finds its survivability through Jinks and other such cover trickery. Wonder if Skitarii will have anything to make them more durable, in a sense. Or will they have to focus more on glass cannon to be effective? Of course, I'm thinking it's still too early to make any final judgements on Skitarii for how fresh they are.

Funny enough..Eldar actually have some votes as worst team lol

 jasper76 wrote:
I'm capable of wrecking house with CSM from time to time....with Nids, even with the formations and drop-pods, not so much.

So I'm voting for Tyranids over CSM, with the realization that I may just haven't figured out how to play well with them yet.

Caveat: I do not and will not play with more than 2 Flyrants, and I know there is some high-powered 5 Flyrant thing going around.

Serious dude? those nid drop pods are probably the most underpriced unit in the game for what you get...come on - it's a drop pod that can move and fires 15 str 5 shots and it has 5 wounds and an armor save t5 - and AP2 attacks in CC!!!! Just put dakka fex or a dakka tyrant or some other mean MC inside and destroy things. Those dang eggs are the bane of my existence