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 insaniak wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I was kind of wondering what was stopping the team from doing waves like some other kickstarters have done, make the main box game and then produce the next wave/season/generation of models that won't ship until they're produced, some months after the main game ships.

I'm not privy to the ins-and-outs of the decision making there, but it's worth mentioning that those 'wave'-style kickstarters are fairly consistently delayed, sometimes quite significantly. Getting a miniature from concept to cast is a long, difficult process, and a lot can happen along the way to force plans to change... and the people waiting on their kickstarter rewards generally don't like that, even if it's made clear from the start that it might happen.

Confining the Kickstarter to stuff that they know they can produce makes it much more likely to actually deliver on schedule, and has the added benefit of being able to show people exactly what they are putting their money on.

If would prefer the Zombicide model of Kickstarters over "waves". Do a Kickstarter now for the starter box, finish the few missing pieces, and deliver on time. Once the next faction is close to being done do another Kickstarter to finish them up and deliver on time again. I would rather wait on a delayed Kickstarter than wait on a delayed reward. At least that way I'm not out any money!

Yeah, that works. I'm sure they've put a lot of thought into it before choosing their path. I'm just wondering what they'll do if this blows up, once everything is funded, what do they do with any further pledges?

I think they said earlier that they would look at lowering the price per model, so maybe backers will get extra sprues and boxes will be much fuller

The drones are amazing. I am so excited to field hundreds of the little things. The Epirian contractors are growing on me as well. Those drones though. Dang!

The drone sprue is literally the thing I have been begging for for years. Just ask KenofYork.

The flying drones look pretty good, but would be better if either the fans were mounted above the center of gravity, or if it had at least one additional fan. Either of these would make the platform more stable, and less prone to pitching over and smashing itself into the ground.

You guys definitely have your finger on the pulse of the adorable miniature aesthetic. Very cute drones that seem to go great with the contractors, and now the minnows? Geez!

I especially love the colour scheme of this one:

Those just make the contractors look fantastic! (Though I agree the balled fist does look out of place.)

I just noticed that the Minnows were already featured in some of the earlier Karist artwork. I'm really looking forward to those robots though.

while I'm not in love with sculpts for the contractors, I like their designs. So, I hope that eventually we'll see them get a v.2 sculpt with somewhat less heroic proportions.

Not actually a fan of any of the miniatures as this all builds up. Just not hitting the 'coolness' I'd need to invest in a whole new universe, and the fiction isn't tickling me either. Best of luck, but no matter how good the rules this one isn't for me.

 Vermonter wrote:
I think the primary visual link between the Angel minnows and the Karists are their six pink (cybel energy infused?) eyes, three to a side, mirrored in the three pink eyes on the right side of the Karist trooper helmets.

They aren't the most menacing looking creatures, for sure, but they've got an otherworldly weird tales vibe I quite like. Still Karists all the way for me so far.



To repeat my question: Since adult Angels are depicted in the art on the website, is it fair to say that we can expect to see those as well in the KS? An earlier comment by Legoburner (I think) made me think they couldn't afford to make them as the models were too large for their budget or something.

The large angels and the hunters are both late stretch goals. They are our flagship models and we'd love to get them into the boxed set, but if we have to sit on them until retail then they will drive a lot of sales too. The hunter is made up of 3 sliding core sprues and is like no other robot that's ever been made for wargaming. We will have them at Salute to look at but might keep them covered to avoid photos leaking out before we are ready, so you might have to ask to see them.

As might be concluded from that, the shadow walker, kaddar nova and handler are the models that are not yet finished in plastic but are 90% of the way there.

so both factions will hve about six different units from what I understand?
Apologies if this has already been said.

Yakface talks Maelstroms Edge

http://www.thed6generation.com//d6g-ep-165-maelstroms-edge-preview-star-wars-armada-detailed-review

Six different unit types this year, yes.

Drones look awesome!

Looking forward to this one now, getting 2 factions done completely and to a good standard sounds like a smart move, when Mantic started they did too many factions all at once to a lower standard instead of focusing and it didn't work out so well.

I will see what my local gaming group thinks of it tonight, might wait for retail with the game though since I really prefer to support the store. Will you have a retailer pledge in the KS?

Thank you for the quick responce lego, I appreciate it and can't wait for more updates. I'm unfortunately likely not going to be able to support the kickstarer, but you will have my moral support, so to speak. And once it hits retail I'll be definitely into it.

Bought the books. Hope they add to my excitement about this game. Good luck with the ks.

Okay! I'll take:

Ten Scarecrows
Ten Hunters
Twenty Five Drones
One Extra Large Fry
Three Burgers

To Go Please!

Here's the formal announcement of the minnows so that I can link it from the first post:

Karist Minnows:


From the rear, showing the complete lack of seams, amazing build quality and great curve of the wings:


A Karist family photo:


In addition, everything has proceeded as planned and we can fully confirm that

THE KICKSTARTER LAUNCHES THIS FRIDAY - 24TH APRIL

So are the scarecrows roughly man-sized and the hunters are mini-dreadnought (maybe mantic forgefather iron ancestor is a good comparison?) sized? Or are the scarecrows a bit larger than people?

The Kaddar Novas, Shadow Walkers, and handlers are all.. units? We talked about no room for hard plastic characters so will we be seeing small units of these guys? They seemed a bit rarer in the books but I suppose small units would work.


Also, see you there on the 24th, I'll be down on the first day for whatever the sweet spot is, and expect to be impressed enough to stick around

Don't think I won't be adding tentacles to those minnows though... the big ones had tentacles in the books and so will these li'l fellas.

The scarecrows are roughly man sized, but a touch lankier at about 4mm taller than a tempest elite, and taller still if you take their giant bad-ass shoulder gun into account. The hunter is mini-dread sized, but I dont have iron ancestor to compare to. The hunter feels pretty huge relative to everything else because of its bulk though.

There are one man units for sure, but they are not unique characters so you can have multiples.

Thanks for supporting us from the very beginning

Hey lego, this is probably an annoying thing to ask but what is that in AUS time? Specifically UC+10? I need to know. Also will there be early bird offers or can we jump in a day late just fine

I'll definitely be in for this one as well, can't wait for friday!

I like how diverse the factions and how different they are from each other. I think The Eprians are my faction of choice just because robots!

Couple of quick questions! How did you get the minnows so smooth? Are they one piece models?

Also are there alternate heads for the contractors? I like my humans to have helmets.

I'm sorry but the bottom half clearly looks like female anatomy.

I do think the bases need to be a little more uniform before you launch this game. Hex bases one one unit.. Circle bases for another.. no bases on another. It's one thing when it's a huge modular model but those walkers could fit on a 32 or 50 mm base. if you want them to be on Hexes, it probably makes more sense.

Visually.. models do look better if they are all on hexes or all on circular. For game mechanics, it makes more sense to do them all on hexes.

The minnows are three-piece models (not including base).
Head/body, 2 wings (including half the tail on each).

They're very, very well engineered - deceptively simple models. The sliding core moulds being used mean there's detail, top, bottom AND sides of parts (the wing slots are perpendicular in axis to the hole for the flight stand - if you can wrap your head around that). There's also a greatly reduced (to almost imperceptible levels) amount of 'flats'.

The only place that there's really a seam is along the ridgeline of the tail (top and bottom, from the back of the shell to the barb on the tail), this tends to occur because of overzealous cleaning of the part (cutting part of the detail away), or not cleaning up the injection point on the mating surface well enough (forcing a gap). Dry fit and work carefully and you can avoid that easily enough.

Cleaned up with care, a good film of decent plastic glue on each part (I use a plastic weld type product) and a good squeeze and it'll form a raised seam that's easy to scrape off once set. Or use a thick glue. If you bend the part or don't clean it up properly, you can get a slight gap along that line, which is very easy to fill (being on an axial line of a curved surface; a bit of milliput and water or liquid putty of some sort and you're sorted. Not difficult builds.

What's going on with the hexagonal bases there? Can they be on round bases too? Is there a game-reason for the variation? Looks a bit inconsistent IMO. Models themselves look ace.

 yakface wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Gonna resist.... (and after he got BANED, I'm glad I did!)

I dunno if I particularly care, but not having bases for some of the models in the core set is likely to be viewed as an 'incomplete box set' with 'fake stretch goals'. Just be ready to spin that.

I know you're right. Some people will absolutely say that, but since we decided to go with bases of our own design (the arc notches) that also means any additional base sizes we make is another massive $$$ investment. Any model we put out that doesn't have a base is absolutely designed to be fully playable without a base (they stand really well without a base). So this is literally one of the elements that KS could allow us to improve what we're able to offer.

Ok, I'm confused by this. So far we've seen round bases and hex bases. Which base is the "notched" base that will be the standard? It's hard to tell with the basing on the samples.

The round bases I assume are the notched ones. You don't need them on the hexagonal bases because there's a point either side that you can use for the arcs.

 motyak wrote:
Hey lego, this is probably an annoying thing to ask but what is that in AUS time? Specifically UC+10? I need to know. Also will there be early bird offers or can we jump in a day late just fine

Dunno what the time translates to, but I know they said they won't be doing Early Bird specials, which I appreciate.

Loving the drones, minnows I'm 'meh' on. Dat hunter tho...

Are the small drones and minnows organised into squads like the troopers?

Lukez wrote:How did you get the minnows so smooth? Are they one piece models?

Also are there alternate heads for the contractors? I like my humans to have helmets.

Winterdyne has covered this well, but just to reiterate, it is the quality of the sliding core engineering that made the models so amazingly smooth. The minnows paint up really quickly as well, they are a pleasure to work with on every level.

motyak wrote:Hey lego, this is probably an annoying thing to ask but what is that in AUS time? Specifically UC+10? I need to know. Also will there be early bird offers or can we jump in a day late just fine

I'm not sure, as the launch time will be when I wake up and have signed off on the last few bits and pieces on Friday We will send an email around, will announce it on our facebook page and twitter and will tell everyone we can as quickly as we can, as soon as it is live. We hate early bird pledges and will not be using any so you dont need to worry about being punished for being in a distant time zone.

AlexHolker wrote:The flying drones look pretty good, but would be better if either the fans were mounted above the center of gravity, or if it had at least one additional fan. Either of these would make the platform more stable, and less prone to pitching over and smashing itself into the ground.

If you are speaking from a robot design perspective, there is an exhaust on the back which provides thrust, the turbines provide stability and direction. The robots are retrofitted designs from Epirian terraforming efforts rather than being strict military designs so would have functional vulnerabilities compared to an optimal military construct which would probably look more like a shell with jets (one of our earlier concepts that did not get off the ground as it was a touch too boring). If you are talking about stability of the model itself, it is incredible stable as the model weighs about the same as the base with the vast majority of the weight centred directly over the stand - the model has to be tipped to about 45 degrees before it falls over so there will be no real risk of knocking them over by tapping them.

Wonderwolf wrote:What's going on with the hexagonal bases there? Can they be on round bases too? Is there a game-reason for the variation? Looks a bit inconsistent IMO. Models themselves look ace.

Pre 4th/5th edition 40k was exactly the same way with hexagon and circle bases mixed together between flying and ground based models. The flight bases do their job perfectly and the arched core to them makes them more stable than a flat disc of the same size I believe and swapping them out with smaller, circular bases would reduce stability a touch but is still viable from a modelling perspective. The circular bases contain our notches for arc markers and the hexagonal bases have outer points to show the front and rear of a model.



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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
Are the small drones and minnows organised into squads like the troopers?

Yup!