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 Sir Arun wrote:
I'm thinking power lance isnt too bad on a model with the mark of khorne since it has counter attack + rage so thats a lot of initial damage.

iirc you get +1 s ap3 only when you charge yourself. And s: user ap4 when you're getting charged regardless of counter-attack.

But MOK bikers with lances could look awesome! Some medieval conversions of guyz in plate armor on daemonic steeds with blood-tainted rusting lances

Every time you give a sorceror an axe and roll Iron Arm and/or Warp Speed you die a little inside and wish he had a staff/mace instead.

The sword is a good weapon for duellists at sergeant/champion level, because two squad leader models facing off generally have enough attacks to kill one another if they have AP3 weapons. 3+ saves are common enough for this to be a good default choice. The biggest problem with the power sword is that even allowing for the extra attack, as long as you have at least 2 attacks on your profile it's better to take a single lightning claw instead.


The axe, by comparison, is the best squad-massacring weapon. So it's best for a non-character with a power weapon - chosen, vanguard, or whatever, especially if they only have 1 attack on their profile, making a power fist largely useless. It's a less useful weapon in a challenge unless you have either a 2+ armour save or a decent invulnerable

Power axe for me. My Plague Champions all have them as their lower initiative makes more sense.

locarno24 wrote:
as long as you have at least 2 attacks on your profile it's better to take a single lightning claw instead.

2 sword attacks vs 1 claw attacks
t3 - 1.333 vs 0.889
t4 - 1.000 vs 0.750
t5 - 0.667 vs 0.555
t6 - 0.333 vs 0.305

3 sword attacks vs 2 claw attacks
t3 - 2.000 vs 1.778
t4 - 1.500 vs 1.500
t5 - 1.000 vs 1.111
t6 - 0.500 vs 0.611

4 sword attacks vs 3 claw attacks
t3 - 2.667 vs 2.667
t4 - 2.000 vs 2.250
t5 - 1.333 vs 1.667
t6 - 0.667 vs 0.917

Yep, statistically, LC is starting to be a bit better if you have 2 base attacks. However, take note that the more attacks you have - the more reliably you'll deal at least one wound. Calculations will be harder here, so take it as you wish I think it's still about equal for 2 base attacks.

Sword is good, not striking last is useful.

Of course though hammers + sheilds is fun on termies.

I like the maul against xenos and daemons. Marines need the axe to be cut down.
The sword is just too plain to be interesting.

Honestly I have been having decent results with a maul the more I use wolf priests. I still have a sill idea for TWC, where they all have power mauls and have a wulfen stone IC with them for S8 rending charges.

Then again, I am pretty sure that wolf claws are STILL the better call.

locarno24 wrote:
The sword is a good weapon for duellists at sergeant/champion level, because two squad leader models facing off generally have enough attacks to kill one another if they have AP3 weapons. 3+ saves are common enough for this to be a good default choice. The biggest problem with the power sword is that even allowing for the extra attack, as long as you have at least 2 attacks on your profile it's better to take a single lightning claw instead.

Yeah the sword is such a niche weapon for taking out 3+ save guys, and a single LC does that job so much better.

When fighting things without a 3+ save, or when the 3+ is backed up by an invuln, the maul outperforms the sword by such a clear margin.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I'm thinking power lance isnt too bad on a model with the mark of khorne since it has counter attack + rage so thats a lot of initial damage.

Counter attack doesn't give it the strength and ap bonus for charging if that is what you are saying.

Power axe by far, only downside is going last. Personally I would always go with the power fist though. The ability to deal with vehicles, MCs, 2s to wound most likely, and a possibility of an instant-kill is way better IMO.

Ax, sez oi.

Power Lances on TWC mixed with relics makes 5 S7 AP3 rending hits I love lances!!!!

Power Klaws all over the place or/and a pair of Killsaws on a Meganob will be my goto swiss army knife. Considering all the AP values of what's being listed I'll be happy for the 2+ save if going last...

edit add: voted power axe if given the option to put it on a T4 min char.

Lance is great if the model has hit and run
Axe is great if the model has invuln or multiple wounds
Maul is great pretty much whenever

Exalbaru wrote:
Lance is great if the model has hit and run
Axe is great if the model has invuln or multiple wounds
Maul is great pretty much whenever

I would add Axe [or Power Fist] on Non-Characters

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
Power Lances on TWC mixed with relics makes 5 S7 AP3 rending hits I love lances!!!!

My math hammer always comes back to Wolf claws being the better bet for every day use. You lose the ap3 on the second round of combat, and wolf claws have shred to add more rends, and keep wounding.
I really want to try a wulfen stone beat down squad with power mauls. A whole bunch of TWC with S8 ap4 rending attacks on the charge? Hell yes! Instagib all those pesky T4 multiwound models that are rarely used in game!

 gwarsh41 wrote:

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
Power Lances on TWC mixed with relics makes 5 S7 AP3 rending hits I love lances!!!!

My math hammer always comes back to Wolf claws being the better bet for every day use. You lose the ap3 on the second round of combat, and wolf claws have shred to add more rends, and keep wounding.
I really want to try a wulfen stone beat down squad with power mauls. A whole bunch of TWC with S8 ap4 rending attacks on the charge? Hell yes! Instagib all those pesky T4 multiwound models that are rarely used in game!

True Wolf Claws are better than Lances even with them being cheaper.
I think Lances would be much better if they got a +1I in the change. This you don't see them more even though I have had great luck with them.

I go with Power Sword. That is pretty awesome.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I go with Power Sword. That is pretty awesome.

But they are so boooooring

In the edition (5th) I play, they are ok.