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Looks like the New TIE comes with some sort of title upgrade available to all TIE's. Something about a twin ion engine and maneuvering. Might be intended as a buff for TIE Defenders, Bombers, and interceptors?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Looks like the New TIE comes with some sort of title upgrade available to all TIE's. Something about a twin ion engine and maneuvering. Might be intended as a buff for TIE Defenders, Bombers, and interceptors?

Well, both bombers and Defenders have Red 2-turns. Could be something to deal with that.

Well, the picture on the card is a Tie Defender, so it'll seemingly have something to do with that ship. It's one of my favorite ships, so if it gets something to buff it, great.

Did this get linked yet?

Hit them hard and fast!

edit: yes, yes it did on the last page. going to sleep now

edit 2: I'm not overly impressed by the Kihraxz fighter just yet. Looks like standard slots are missile and illicit, both kind of 'meh'. Although looks like it comes with 2 new EPTs: Crack Shot and Lightning Reflexes would be my guess?

The extra munitions is kind of disappointing to me, it helps a ton on the new ships and the existing TIE Bomber, but it just doesnt strike me as making the disposable secondaries on the existing ships all that worth it, especially since most of them cant make use of it, barring the Y and B Wings, both of which are probably more useful filling a role other than a torpedoboat.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The extra munitions is kind of disappointing to me, it helps a ton on the new ships and the existing TIE Bomber, but it just doesnt strike me as making the disposable secondaries on the existing ships all that worth it, especially since most of them cant make use of it, barring the Y and B Wings, both of which are probably more useful filling a role other than a torpedoboat.

I think it depends on what those new missiles do. If they are good on their own, the Y-wing would be the cheapest platform, and this would be the cheaper option.

well, generally speaking the actual missile options arent that bad, but most of the torpedo options strike me as being just not worth it (with the possible exception of the advanced proton todpedo) The problem is that very few ships have both a missile and a torpedo slot, both the y-wing and the b-wing are double torpedo, and this far both of them are better geared towards turret/cannon loadouts

chaos0xomega wrote:
and this far both of them are better geared towards turret/cannon loadouts

Horton Salm. Nera Dantels. Drea Renthal.

A Slave-I Firespray would actually get some use out of it. Might be worthwhile for Emon to fly the Slave I instead of the Andrasta? Get 2 missiles and 2 bombs instead of 3 bombs? Be nice with saving 3 points on double proton bombs, but it means giving up being able to take bomb variety (I was a fan of 2x seismic with 1 proximity).

So, some thoughts on Bossk.

His pilot ability lets you trade 1 crit for 2 hits. His upgrades include a cannon slot and EPT (among others). Now, the HLC says to IMMEDIATELY change crits to hits, whereas his pilot ability specifies "before you deal damage". If I'm reading the timing of it correctly, the HLC isn't great for Bossk since barring outside forces, he would never have crits to turn to hits. The mangler cannon, OTOH, would let you turn a hit to a crit, which Bossk could then trade for 2 hits. Basically an extra hit for 4 points I guess.

Edit whatever: I guess a Mercenary co-pilot could do the same thing, but only at range 3.

Man, those 3 crew slots though. I don't even know where to start.

Looking at this, see some possibilities. K-wing, Advanced Slam, Extra Munitions, and Proximity Mine/Cluster Mines/That hourglass-shaped bomb. Fly up to an enemy formation, SLAM past them, and then use Advanced Slam to chuck a bomb at them. Shoot my opponent with my turret as I circle for another attack.

Edit: Likely include the new bombardier. All told, this is 12pt, plus whatever the K-wing costs. Given how good Miranda's ability is, I'd guess that the generic isn't that much, and this would probably only cost around 35pt.

 streamdragon wrote:
he would never have crits to turn to hits.

He would if he uses a target lock/predator/etc to re-roll dice and gets {crit} results. The HLC only turns {crit} results to {hit} results immediately after the initial roll. Once that effect triggers any later dice modification can add crits.

The mangler cannon, OTOH, would let you turn a hit to a crit, which Bossk could then trade for 2 hits.

Yeah, this is going to be really good. You're essentially getting slightly more than 4 dice worth of firepower (with focus, an average of 3.25 hits from the mangler vs. 3 hits from a 4-dice shot on a non-Bossk ship) for 3 points less than a HLC. This is a pretty good upgrade over the ~2.6 hits (with focus) Bossk gets with his primary weapon at range 2-3 but less than the ~3.4 hits from a primary shot at range 1. Is it worth buying? Maybe. The answer depends on how often you expect to be at range 1 or shoot outside of your primary arc.


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 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
Given how good Miranda's ability is, I'd guess that the generic isn't that much, and this would probably only cost around 35pt.

I'm actually not too impressed with her ability. Let's look at each half separately:

Paying a shield to roll an extra die sounds good on paper, but you're probably going to take shield damage in the initial pass (like with Vader ships, even if you can't kill her you need to minimize her ability to trade HP for damage) and that's going to limit the number of times you can use the ability. Meanwhile you don't have any inherent dice modification if you're spending your target lock to fire a weapon, so that extra die is just a 50% chance of adding damage. A lot of the time a ship with PTL/predator is going to do at least that much additional damage.

Paying a die to recover a shield is situational at best. You can't attack after you SLAM, so forget about trading away marginally-useful shots on turns when you're running away instead of shooting your big guns. And when you do get a HP back it's only protected by a single green die, so it's not a huge increase in durability. It's the same reason why R2-D2 is great on Corran but borderline useless on a y-wing. It's nice to have the second half as a free bonus, but it's not the reason to take her.

And on top of this she doesn't get an EPT slot. Traditionally unique pilots with EPT slots cost 1 point more than they should based on their PS alone, so this factor isn't going to apply. Her ability isn't bad, but I don't think it's so amazing that it needs a high price to justify it. So based on her 29 point cost I'm going to expect 22 points for the PS 2 generic, maybe 21 at the lowest.

Aww man for a minute there I thought you guys were describing the Bossk upgrade card. That would have been pretty sweet on my HWK..

Is that TIE only card a title or a modification?

Rhymer with apt and extra munitions jonus on the wing. Fun times.

 Riquende wrote:
Is that TIE only card a title or a modification?

No idea.

This means I could remake a classic squad that I've always had a soft spot for.
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Captain Jonus [Proton Torpedoes, Munitions Failsafe]

Major Rhymer [Advanced Proton Torpedoes, Cluster Missiles, Expanded Munitions]

Darth Vader [TIE/x1, Cluster Missiles, Squad Leader, Advanced Sensors (Or something else you want?)]

 Compel wrote:
Darth Vader [TIE/x1, Cluster Missiles, Squad Leader, Advanced Sensors (Or something else you want?)]

Advanced sensors is terrible on Vader because his ability to take two actions only works during the perform action step. If you use AS you only get one action.

Bleh, fair enough. Well, it doesn't exactly matter anyhow as long as it's free.

 Compel wrote:
Bleh, fair enough. Well, it doesn't exactly matter anyhow as long as it's free.

It's not free because it uses up a valuable slot that could otherwise have accuracy corrector or the new advanced targeting computer.

What I mean is, the specifics doesn't matter, replace it with <Insert System Upgrade of your choice that costs zero points>. But thanks for your rule correction anyhow.

That has to be the least inspired TIE variant FFg has made yet. Why don't they use the cool ones? Like the TIE hunter?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Why don't they use the cool ones? Like the TIE hunter?

Because they needed a heavy bomber to mirror the k-wing, and the TIE hunter isn't a heavy bomber.

What the Empire really needs is an extremely nimble ship, preferably with a high PS.

 Manchu wrote:
What the Empire really needs is an extremely nimble ship, preferably with a high PS.

No way!!! Are they any good?

Anything that moves the meta far, far away from 2-supership builds (and especially friggin turret supership builds) is good in my book.

I just pray this stuff does it. I want a tie bomber to spray out missiles like in that Tie Fighter animated video, and just massacre things.

But alas, this fix is still months off, and more fixes are even more months beyond that.

SLAM. I like SLAM. Do you know what else had SLAM? The Missile Boat. Please FFG. Please...

I hope the missile/assault/whatever boat never comes. Seriously, it doesnt even look cool.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I hope the missile/assault/whatever boat never comes. Seriously, it doesnt even look cool.

You don't look cool

(this is in jest, not meant as a personal attack btw feel I should point this out as its a forum..)

I wasnt offended lol