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 Ravenous D wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:
Do D scythes have ap2 still?

Sure do, all the Distort weapons do.

Ouch, well good news is that they already were nasty and people tried to avoid them so basically play against them like you always do and you should be okay, they are still only a template when it comes to range.

How is the rest of the book, fluff and such... anything new or interesting? Anything new in the unit descriptions?

What is the status of serpent shields and holo fields?

So, question not related to cheese, does it seem like a codex you could roll out for some fun games with your friends without completely stomping them or being TFG?

 gmaleron wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:
Do D scythes have ap2 still?

Sure do, all the Distort weapons do.

Ouch, well good news is that they already were nasty and people tried to avoid them so basically play against them like you always do and you should be okay, they are still only a template when it comes to range.

That's the thing a lot of people aren't understanding, I ran an all wraith army for entirety of the last book and it mauls whatever it gets close to, its just gone from "most likely dead" to "Your ancestors are on fire" They will just get punked by single models sucking up overwatch and getting thrown around in combat, we already have guys rolling out against the wraith knights and he is pretty much dying the same. Eldar just hit harder long range against tanks and MCs. Pretty much they stopped being bad at anything.


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 FakeBritishPerson wrote:
So, question not related to cheese, does it seem like a codex you could roll out for some fun games with your friends without completely stomping them or being TFG?

As long as you avoid the Craftworld warhost abuse and formation abuse the book is basically the same. Just focus fire on the nights, serpents aren't a big deal anymore. Its primary the formations that are the big cheese.


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 GearheadXII wrote:
How is the rest of the book, fluff and such... anything new or interesting? Anything new in the unit descriptions?

What is the status of serpent shields and holo fields?

You can mix serpent shield with holo fields, seems wasteful to me but oh well.

And no fluff yet I just got the rules side of things.

Can one still take multiple farseers and 7 warlocks if not how has a seerstar changed?

I have not heard anything about rangers, are they still troops? What if anything changed with them? How much do they cost?

Can you still make pathfinders, or do you need to take that ranger HQ guy still?

 Swabby wrote:
I have not heard anything about rangers, are they still troops? What if anything changed with them? How much do they cost?

Can you still make pathfinders, or do you need to take that ranger HQ guy still?

Rangers have shrouded, and are the exact same as before. Illic is there, his weapon works like it used to, it is NOT D. and his old bonuses only work on rangers.


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ninety0ne wrote:
Can one still take multiple farseers and 7 warlocks if not how has a seerstar changed?

There is a formation called the seer council where its 2 farseers and a warlock conclave (1-10 warlocks who are brotherhood of psykers) they can be on bikes. They cast powers on 3+ and can take bikes, this will probably be a thing that goes under the radar while everyone rages over D.

Brotherhood of psykers means that they cast and generate powers as a unit. I can live with that instead of getting all those powers per model.

Does the serpent shield lose defense if it fires?

 Leth wrote:
Brotherhood of psykers means that they cast and generate powers as a unit. I can live with that instead of getting all those powers per model.

Does the serpent shield lose defense if it fires?

A unit of 1 to 3 is ML1, 4-6 ML2, 7+ ML3

And the second the shield is used as a gun its lost for the rest of the game for the defensive side as well.

Are warlocks still a codex entry outside the formation?

Rangers with shrouded... *breathing intensifies*

Already answered sorry

ninety0ne wrote:
Are warlocks still a codex entry outside the formation?

There is the conclave is a standard dex thing, the seer council is a formation.

So 7 locks and 4 farseers is doable in a CAD+formation?

ninety0ne wrote:
and inside the detachment (1-10) do they generate ML's dofferently?

You mean the council? Its just a conclave and 2 farseers, you must take at least 5 warlocks in the conclave as per the restrictions on the council formation. They are just brotherhood of psykers, and work like Horrors, lose models and you can lose Master levels.

And thx for doing this!

ninety0ne wrote:
So 7 locks and 4 farseers is doable in a CAD+formation?

That's correct, 2 farseers from the CAD, and 2 more from the seer council formation.

How does Ghost helm work now?

ninety0ne wrote:
And thx for doing this!

No worries, damn kids have been taking my job doing this last bunch of releases, had to get ahead of them.


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 Leth wrote:
How does Ghost helm work now?

If you take a wound from perils you use a warp charge and shrug the wound. You still take the effects. Its still awesome.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
What special rules do Howling Banshees have?

+3" to runs and assaults, no overwatch, the exarch knocks -2Ld off and cause fear.

Also any unit that contains at least 1 banshee mask cannot have overwatch used on them. So autarch + whatever.

Wow...

That sound you hear is Tau players crying their eyes out.

Thanks, RD.

I have a strong feeling that based on previous leaks tau will be crying their eyes out for other reasons already.

Is the shard of Anaris still the same?

ninety0ne wrote:
Is the shard of Anaris still the same?

Yup, they added a rending pistol and dropped out the mantle of the laughing god.


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Here's a list

Wind rider host
Farseer on bike
Warlock on bike
Vyper
3 units of 3 jetbikes

That's 358pts.

Now add 5 wraithknights

total: 1833pts, Good luck with killing that.

Any of the Iyanden murderswords make it over?

Are there any mitigating rules for the jetbikes or distort weapons, e.g. something like gets hot. Or is it just 10 jet bikes, they all get scatter lasers, and the opponent has to deal?

ninety0ne wrote:
Any of the Iyanden murderswords make it over?

Negative, but you can still use the Iyanden book, but all it does is give you more relics and the shadow council, doesn't unlock wraithguard as troops.

Funny enough any standard cent star would demolish that list. Shoot, someone running double cents would have no problem with that.

Depending on stomps could probably do the same with my current list.

But that is the nature of extreme lists I suppose.

What's the cost of wraithguard now?

cm32 wrote:
Are there any mitigating rules for the jetbikes or distort weapons, e.g. something like gets hot. Or is it just 10 jet bikes, they all get scatter lasers, and the opponent has to deal?

Nothing. Your opponent just has to deal with the scatbikes. The D isn't bad because its harder to use wraithguard, I own a wraithguard army and Im having trouble getting everything in.


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 Great White wrote:
What's the cost of wraithguard now?

Blades are cheaper by 2pts, Guard are exactly the same, Dscythes are still +10pts


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 Leth wrote:
Funny enough any standard cent star would demolish that list. Shoot, someone running double cents would have no problem with that.

Depending on stomps could probably do the same with my current list.

But that is the nature of extreme lists I suppose.

Pretty much, and depends on how the star is, the knights get free sun cannons, and those dent cents in.

Do swooping hawks and bahorrath have hit and run still?

Paddlepop Lion wrote:
Do swooping hawks and bahorrath have hit and run still?

Bart has hit and run, hawks don't, but they kept sky leap and move 18" as well as herald of victory and attacking flyers.