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How do Shining Spear lances work? Only on the charge still?

Do Shining Spears have any access to Hit and Run?

 Saber wrote:
How do Shining Spear lances work? Only on the charge still?

Do Shining Spears have any access to Hit and Run?

Still on the charge, exact the same, no hit and run, they have a 4+ cover save if they move and the exarch rerolls against MCs and tanks

Swooping Hawks now have to buy the Exarch to get Herald of Victory, but all Exarchs are 2W now and cost the same 10pts to upgrade and pay no additional cost for the extra rule that they have.

Shining spears are better and worse. They still have Skilled rider and outflank, but the Exarch DOES NOT have access to Hit & Run. However, they come with a 4+ cover if they moved and the Laser Lance is ALWAYS AP3. The str bonus is only gained on the charge, though

Here's another list that is a little nicer (not by much)

Wind rider host
Farseer - 115pts
- jetbike

Warlock conclave - 50pts
- 1 warlock on jetbike

2x 5 jetbikes - 135pts (270pts)
- 5 scatter lasers

5 jetbikes - 125pts
- 4 scatter lasers

Vyper - 40pts

Dire Avenger Shrine:
3x 10 Dire avengers - 140pts (420pts)
- Exarch

3 Wave serpents - 115pts (345pts)
- twin linked scatter laser

Wraith Construct
Wraith Knight - 295pts

Wraith Construct
Hemlock - 185pts

Total: 1845pts

First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

 Talys wrote:
First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

You can go Cad + formation that's about it. Im having a hard time getting wraithguard into the list for an upcoming tournament that uses comp.

The wraithhost is the only way if you take the warhost detachment.

EDIT: You are welcome!

 Talys wrote:
First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

I don't have the book yet, but I have seen it. The answer is No. This is actually great for the game (formations, I mean). It forces players to either pay for tax units (Vyper) or spend more on the units they want (3x WG units, 3x Crimson Hunters, etc.) This will be the balancing factor for Eldar, Necrons and any other codex that has or will have the "detachment of formations & auxiliaries"

 Galef wrote:

 Talys wrote:
First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

I don't have the book yet, but I have seen it. The answer is No. This is actually great for the game (formations, I mean). It forces players to either pay for tax units (Vyper) or spend more on the units they want (3x WG units, 3x Crimson Hunters, etc.) This will be the balancing factor for Eldar, Necrons and any other codex that has or will have the "detachment of formations & auxiliaries"

This only matters if they want the Warhost benefits. If you're not running units that get a major boost out of "Matchless Agiility" (bonus for Run Moves), then you can just take individual formations or a CAD or any combination of them.

Thank you for doing this. Everything important has been answered. It would appears that the rumors are true. If the next books are not somewhat comparable, the exodus will be real. Oh the rage.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Talys wrote:
First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

I don't have the book yet, but I have seen it. The answer is No. This is actually great for the game (formations, I mean). It forces players to either pay for tax units (Vyper) or spend more on the units they want (3x WG units, 3x Crimson Hunters, etc.) This will be the balancing factor for Eldar, Necrons and any other codex that has or will have the "detachment of formations & auxiliaries"

This only matters if they want the Warhost benefits. If you're not running units that get a major boost out of "Matchless Agiility" (bonus for Run Moves), then you can just take individual formations or a CAD or any combination of them.

Matchless agility + Dscythes + Dark Eldar WWP = "You might as well burn down your own house and save us the time"

Ravenous D wrote:

 Talys wrote:
First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

You can go Cad + formation that's about it. Im having a hard time getting wraithguard into the list for an upcoming tournament that uses comp.

The wraithhost is the only way if you take the warhost detachment.

EDIT: You are welcome!

Thanks!

Galef wrote:

 Talys wrote:
First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

I don't have the book yet, but I have seen it. The answer is No. This is actually great for the game (formations, I mean). It forces players to either pay for tax units (Vyper) or spend more on the units they want (3x WG units, 3x Crimson Hunters, etc.) This will be the balancing factor for Eldar, Necrons and any other codex that has or will have the "detachment of formations & auxiliaries"

I don't disagree at all. I like this, especially in the context of max 2 detachments.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Talys wrote:
First: thank you very much for doing this!!

Is there any way to take Wraithguard in a Warhost without taking the auxiliary that requires 3 Guard units and 1 Wraithlord?

I don't have the book yet, but I have seen it. The answer is No. This is actually great for the game (formations, I mean). It forces players to either pay for tax units (Vyper) or spend more on the units they want (3x WG units, 3x Crimson Hunters, etc.) This will be the balancing factor for Eldar, Necrons and any other codex that has or will have the "detachment of formations & auxiliaries"

This only matters if they want the Warhost benefits. If you're not running units that get a major boost out of "Matchless Agiility" (bonus for Run Moves), then you can just take individual formations or a CAD or any combination of them.

Matchless agility + Dscythes + Dark Eldar WWP = "You might as well burn down your own house and save us the time"

That's could certainly be absolutely nasty

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Saber wrote:
How do Shining Spear lances work? Only on the charge still?

Do Shining Spears have any access to Hit and Run?

Still on the charge, exact the same, no hit and run, they have a 4+ cover save if they move and the exarch rerolls against MCs and tanks

Well, at least they had the good sense to make Shining Spears worse...

Or hemlocks new mind shock pods with death jesters near armour of misery and mask of secrets - 8Ld.

Do cannons have the -1 to the d table like the scythes?

Do hawks keep haywire grenades as standard? Is there anything limiting their ability to charge after moving 18?

 Leth wrote:
Do hawks keep haywire grenades as standard? Is there anything limiting their ability to charge after moving 18?

Yes and No respectively.

What can the Hawks do if anything after doing their Haywire a flyer trick?

What are the rules for Dark Reapers I've seen the image but whats the wording cause the image I got was in spanish.

Is it all FLiers, Flying Monstrous Creatures and Flyers or just Vehicle Flyers that they reroll.

Hollismason wrote:
What are the rules for Dark Reapers I've seen the image but whats the wording cause the image I got was in spanish.

Is it all FLiers, Flying Monstrous Creatures and Flyers or just Vehicle Flyers that they reroll.

Anything that Zoomed, Swooped, Turboboosted, or moved Flat Out.

Hollismason wrote:
What are the rules for Dark Reapers I've seen the image but whats the wording cause the image I got was in spanish.

Is it all FLiers, Flying Monstrous Creatures and Flyers or just Vehicle Flyers that they reroll.

The english image I have reads:

A model with this special rule re-rolls failed to hit rolls when fire at a unit that Zoomed (fliers), Swooped (FMC), Turbo-boosted (bikes/jetbikes), or moved Flat Out (Vehicles). Also no jink VS them. 5 meltabombs each. exarch is 2 more, and fires an extra shot. Entire unit can take flakk missiles for the cost of a chainaxe each

 Ravenous D wrote:
There is a formation called the seer council where its 2 farseers and a warlock conclave (1-10 warlocks who are brotherhood of psykers) they can be on bikes. They cast powers on 3+ and can take bikes, this will probably be a thing that goes under the radar while everyone rages over D.

This x 1000. Virtually no nerf to seer council via mastery system since you can CHOOSE which power to loose (Guess what, it'll never be +1 armor or shrouded), and you only ever need to cast 2 powers anyway. In addition, you get a spare Farseer from which ever core formation you choose. So 3 Farseers + 7 Warlocks -> 16 WC to start. Oh, yea, throw in Barrhoth for HnR as well as extra movement for charges. Comes in at ~870. For referance sake, 6ed 8 warlock council + baron was 805. So for almost exactly the cost of switching your 8th warlock to a Farseer, you get more movement, more Rolls for Invis/Fortune (yes....both), and an EW tank character who doesn't slow the unit down at all. And, oh yea, they cast on 3+. And the Farseers can re-roll powers.

Just wanted to preview the next GT winner for ya.

 Galef wrote:
and the Laser Lance is ALWAYS AP3. The str bonus is only gained on the charge, though

[rough rider crying intensifies]


Dire Avengers lost unitwide 5++ inv., am I correct?

Has Prince Yriel changed?

What about War Walkers, Falcon and the Fire Prism?

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Galef wrote:
and the Laser Lance is ALWAYS AP3. The str bonus is only gained on the charge, though

[rough rider crying intensifies]


Dire Avengers lost unitwide 5++ inv., am I correct?

The Exarch can still provide that to the squad.

Has Prince Yriel changed?

He's identical.

What about War Walkers, Falcon and the Fire Prism?

Yes, except Scatterlasers are now a free swap and EML's simply automatically come with flakk missiles.

Falcons and Fire Prisms are identical, Night Spinners are 15pts cheaper.

How has the base unit pricing in the following aspects changed:
- howling banshees
- striking scorpions
- fire dragons
- warp spiders
- dire avengers
- dark reapers (BTW are these started in squads of 3 or 5?)
- jain zar

Thanks for that!

....That slipped under the rumour radar.
So a warwalker squad with eldar missile launchers can do double duty as a hydra?

Do you pay for the wraithknight's weapon options, or are they all free swaps?

locarno24 wrote:
....That slipped under the rumour radar.
So a warwalker squad with eldar missile launchers can do double duty as a hydra?

Do you pay for the wraithknight's weapon options, or are they all free swaps?

apart from the weakness of the platform yes, and the wraithknight comes base with wraith cannons and the other two are free, with the should weapons the SL and SC went down a melta-bomb in price.

 hiveof_chimera wrote:
How has the base unit pricing in the following aspects changed:
- howling banshees

2ppm cheaper

- striking scorpions
- fire dragons
- warp spiders
- dire avengers

no change.

- dark reapers (BTW are these started in squads of 3 or 5?)

5pmm cheaper, min squad 3.

- jain zar

identical


Oh, another buff I hadn't seen elsewhere yet, Rangers get Shrouded now instead of just Stealth for the same price.

Any changes to Spiders?

I heard they can now use their special movement during the enemy's shooting phase? What about the rumor that they make to wound rolls against initiative?

 GearheadXII wrote:
Any changes to Spiders?

I heard they can now use their special movement during the enemy's shooting phase? What about the rumor that they make to wound rolls against initiative?

Basically if they're declared a target of a shooting attack they can warp jump (potentially taking them out of range) and the firing unit cannot choose a different target, but then the Warp Spiders give up their move in the next turn. Exarch makes the unit Fearless, but without any of the downsides (e.g. they can still Go to Ground). Otherwise identical