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 Vaktathi wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's nonsense then.

rangers get shrouded instead of stealth now, same price, so they basically just buffed all rangers to pathfinders

Other than the whole Pathfinders(meaning multiple units rather than the single unit that Illic joins) losing their Sharpshot ability?

Hollismason wrote:
The only two units that are objectionably bad are Wraith Lords and Shining Spears.

Everything else is straight up better.

Why is the Wraithlord still bad?

Did Dark Reapers keep slow and purposeful (and thus relentless)?


Did the DR Exarch lose the fast shot power?

they still have both

Have the heavy weapon platforms (artillery) changed in point values at all?

Can warlocks still break off from the council to join units?
And if so is it still limited to guardian squads only?

Bharring wrote:
Aside from Deep Striking if and only if you take 3, was there any change at all to Falcons? (I haven't seen their page in any of the leaks)

Is this true? I thought it was a no-scatter deep strike with 3 but otherwise a solo can just deep strike normally?

 Gavik Dross wrote:
Can warlocks still break off from the council to join units?
And if so is it still limited to guardian squads only?

No. The units they could join before can now take Warlocks though.

 Jambles wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Aside from Deep Striking if and only if you take 3, was there any change at all to Falcons? (I haven't seen their page in any of the leaks)

Is this true? I thought it was a no-scatter deep strike with 3 but otherwise a solo can just deep strike normally?

Its true you need 3 to deepstrike otherwise no deep strike


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Vilicate wrote:
Have the heavy weapon platforms (artillery) changed in point values at all?

Nope! D cannons are even better if they ever have anything get in range.


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 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Did Dark Reapers keep slow and purposeful (and thus relentless)?


Did the DR Exarch lose the fast shot power?

The exarch gets fast shot for free and they kept their range finders and slow and purposeful


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pm713 wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
The only two units that are objectionably bad are Wraith Lords and Shining Spears.

Everything else is straight up better.

Why is the Wraithlord still bad?

He isn't bad, he just is in a weird spot where wraithguard outshoot him and for less then twice the points you get a knight who is twice as effective.

How much are flakk missiles in a dark reaper squad?

And is the tempest launcher still in(the str 5 ap 3 barrage one)

I honestly don't see a reference for it, EMLs have flakk missiles noted but the reaper launchers don't. Looks like reapers don't have access to flakk missiles but reroll hits against flyers as a rule.

Temptest is S4 ap3 barrage 2

How is Illic's gun? Still Distort?

Ah sweet so its still in. and i'm guessing the exarchs fast shot still works on the tempest launcher?

 Ashiraya wrote:
How is Illic's gun? Still Distort?

Its definitely not D. Its the same as it was, on a 6 it causes instant death or a pen on a tank.


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Avlaen wrote:
Ah sweet so its still in. and i'm guessing the exarchs fast shot still works on the tempest launcher?

To the wording it adds a shot to any weapon he fires

What's the wording on an autarch with a banshee mask ?

I've been hearing he won't prevent over watch with the mask and that's a banshee rule.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
What's the wording on an autarch with a banshee mask ?

I've been hearing he won't prevent over watch with the mask and that's a banshee rule.

"At least one model in the unit...."

Yup, so an autarch or Jain Zarr attached to anything will stop overwatch

pm713 wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
The only two units that are objectionably bad are Wraith Lords and Shining Spears.

Everything else is straight up better.

Why is the Wraithlord still bad?

Because he was bad before, got no extra rules or upgrades to make him better, got no points decrease to make him more viable, and everything around him got better making it even less likely you would want to take him. For the cost of 1 WL, I can take 5 scatter bikes. For the price of 2, I can take a WK.

Does a autarch with Swooping hawk wings move 18 to or is that a hawk only rule?

Does the banshees +3" to run and charge distances require the whole unit to have the rule? (ie would adding in an autarch negate that bonus?)

It's a shame they didn't include the Wraithseer in there. I don't see the Revenant so its stats stayed the same as the Apocalypse Book while the trancendant C'Tan got added to the necron codex and got worse.

Avlaen wrote:
Does a autarch with Swooping hawk wings move 18 to or is that a hawk only rule?

Does the banshees +3" to run and charge distances require the whole unit to have the rule? (ie would adding in an autarch negate that bonus?)

Any model with hawk wings moves 18" and can sky leap.

*double checking on the banshees*

Entirely must consist of models with the rule.

Yeah reapers actually have to pay for the Star Shot Missiles, that are ST8 AP3 however they reroll shots versus fliers and the Dark Eldar Exarch can purchase a Eldar Missile Launcher that has skyfire missiles and with his ability will be Heavy 2 reroll misses at BS 5.

So no Dark Reapers do not have access to skyfire.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah reapers actually have to pay for the Star Shot Missiles, that are ST8 AP3 however they reroll shots versus fliers and the Dark Eldar Exarch can purchase a Eldar Missile Launcher that has skyfire missiles and with his ability will be Heavy 2 reroll misses at BS 5.

So no Dark Reapers do not have access to skyfire.

Even then, 6 s8 shots that ignore jink with rerolls should net 1 or 2 hits.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah reapers actually have to pay for the Star Shot Missiles, that are ST8 AP3 however they reroll shots versus fliers and the Dark Eldar Exarch can purchase a Eldar Missile Launcher that has skyfire missiles and with his ability will be Heavy 2 reroll misses at BS 5.

So no Dark Reapers do not have access to skyfire.

Even then, 6 s8 shots that ignore jink with rerolls should net 1 or 2 hits.

Reapers are actually pretty good against Flyrants since they overcome all of his saves.

6 starshots will average about 1.53 wounds.

Can you please tell me how Warlock councils work? Can Seerstar be a thing?

Conclaves are pretty straight forward.

Warlocks do not have independent character.

1-3 They are Mastery Level 1
3-7 Level 2
8+ Level 3

Each Warlock in the Conclave generates a Warp charge.


Seer Council is absolutely a thing however it's expensive , it's a formation that's 2 Farseers and a Conclave of Warlocks, which has to be at least 5 Warlocks.

So at minimum you're looking at 250 points for Jetbike Warlocks, and another 260 for the 2 Farseers. That generates 11 Warp Charge on it's own and casts spells on a 3+.

So a lot of points but casting spells on a 3+ is kind of boss. Especially if you reduce the Warp Charge of Spells that are level 2 to one with the special trinket.

Enjoy throwing around Apocalyptic Blasts with Haywire, Fleshbane and AP3.

But they would only know runes of battle and sanctic?


Also, the squad of 5 will only know 2 powers?

Can they also take heavy weapons? What are their stats? Would they absolutely fail at combat?


Thank you very much btw. I have just been accumulating Harlequin jetbikes, and I have been turning them into warlocks.

I am also happy that WK is a Titan like unit. I will just drop this thread here.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/582965.page

I was told that the Wraithknight is the Eldar titan... Now it really is.

 Lord Commissar wrote:
But they would only know runes of battle and sanctic?


Also, the squad of 5 will only know 2 powers?

Can they also take heavy weapons? What are their stats? Would they absolutely fail at combat?


Thank you very much btw. I have just been accumulating Harlequin jetbikes, and I have been turning them into warlocks.

A squad of five if they only went runes of Battle Wound know 3 powers, also going Sanctic is not a bad idea with the formation.

They get Jetbikes and Singing Spears. That's it. Same stats as before 1w.

Warlocks do not have independent character.

I dunno how it'd be in CC. You could attach a Autarch though so they'd get the whole " no overwatch"

Also, they move 12" in a turn on foot. Kind of neat.

However, a squad of 5 warlocks will generate an additional 7 psychic dice (2 for mastery level and an additional 1/model). So they definitely have some juice.