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Doesnt it replace the mastery level dice, not add to it? So 5 generate 5, not 5 + 2

Nope. Communion of Minds grants them the bonus dice and a variable Mastery Level. Unless my leaked photo chopped off a sentence, it does not prevent their group Mastery Level from adding dice normally.


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Which means a squad of 10 would generate 13 dice, and only be able to cast 3 powers. Be a nice buff for your other psykers.

What is the point of it though? Its just 10 guardians that have a 4+ save and a bad statline.

At least before they wouldnt all die to a single round of fire from broadsides. I mean, they werent killy, but they could at least have a bunch of powers to reliably get a 2+ armor or something.


How will you guys use them?

The Avatar does get something out of the Warhost, he moves 12" so that's uh at least something.


Hrmmm weird question I wonder if you can put Eldrad on a Bike cause uh.. Seer council.

Anyone know what Dark Reapers do exactly? Scanned through the thread and couldn't find anything, sorry if I missed it!

Primarily to give me more psychic dice for my Farseers and Shadowseers.

In addition, Windriders can take one per Windrider group, which might be nice too. I use a Freakshow list, so the Horrify power would be super useful. They can always streak around on their 36" bikes for Maelstrom games. Plus, a unit with massed Witchblades and Hammer of Wrath can probably do pretty well at mopping up wounded or straggling units.

Not saying I will definitely use them, but I'm going to consider it.

 gmaleron wrote:
Anyone know what Dark Reapers do exactly? Scanned through the thread and couldn't find anything, sorry if I missed it!

it's literally been stated in the last couple of posts.


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I wonder if you can upgrade Eldrad to have a jetbike.

The Seer council says that if one model buys a jetbike all models MUST buy jetbikes.

 gmaleron wrote:
Anyone know what Dark Reapers do exactly? Scanned through the thread and couldn't find anything, sorry if I missed it!

Same as before, cheaper, with rerolls against anything swooping, zooming, turboboosting, or moving flat out.

And if taken in the Warhost, at BS 5, is that correct?

 Xerics wrote:
I am also happy that WK is a Titan like unit. I will just drop this thread here.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/582965.page

I was told that the Wraithknight is the Eldar titan... Now it really is.

In the fluff it is. They are piloted by psychic twins, as twins are rare and seen as special by the eldar race. They run around with revenant and phantom titans keeping the smaller targets away from the larger titans and generally fething gak up. The WK on the table finally fit the WK portrayed in books like Valedor.

 Jimsolo wrote:
And if taken in the Warhost, at BS 5, is that correct?

Yes, BS5. Which doesn't help snap shots but anything else that's moving fast is incredibly nasty. Of note the way it's worded the Exarchs get the BS bonus as well so Dark Reaper Exarch BS6.

One of the things mentioned but not yet truly digested is that the Eldar Missile Launcher comes standard with Starhawk Missiles (the new flakk missiles). There is no upgrade cost for them. Meaning that Wave Serpents, Vypers, Falcons, Warwalkers, Wraithlords, Guardians, Dark Reapers, Wasps, Hornets, Corsairs and Corsair Venoms can all get cheap skyfire now.

 Massawyrm wrote:
One of the things mentioned but not yet truly digested is that the Eldar Missile Launcher comes standard with Starhawk Missiles (the new flakk missiles). There is no upgrade cost for them. Meaning that Wave Serpents, Vypers, Falcons, Warwalkers, Wraithlords, Guardians, Dark Reapers, Wasps, Hornets, Corsairs and Corsair Venoms can all get cheap skyfire now.

Oh my. That's horrible.

 Massawyrm wrote:
One of the things mentioned but not yet truly digested is that the Eldar Missile Launcher comes standard with Starhawk Missiles (the new flakk missiles). There is no upgrade cost for them. Meaning that Wave Serpents, Vypers, Falcons, Warwalkers, Wraithlords, Guardians, Dark Reapers, Wasps, Hornets, Corsairs and Corsair Venoms can all get cheap skyfire now.

Warwalkers look like they might be a a good platform for that; double duty and all.

Do you guys reckon it's possible FW will update their shadow spectres to have the wound bonus, free powers and be included for aspect host formation?

EML has been overcosted and rarely ever taken. Free Flank might change that. Probably better than the Pinning it lost, but I'll miss Pinning more than I'll welcome Flank.

 Massawyrm wrote:
One of the things mentioned but not yet truly digested is that the Eldar Missile Launcher comes standard with Starhawk Missiles (the new flakk missiles). There is no upgrade cost for them. Meaning that Wave Serpents, Vypers, Falcons, Warwalkers, Wraithlords, Guardians, Dark Reapers, Wasps, Hornets, Corsairs and Corsair Venoms can all get cheap skyfire now.

Ahahahahah another nail in the competitive Eldar coffin.

Everyone else pays 10 points for it; the Eldar get it for free because hey, they are superior.

If this is really true, then EMLs will be the most common weapon on pretty much any mounting in an Eldar army. Watch how Tau just got dethroned as anti-air kings. Watch how Eldar bring everything down, even Fliers and FMCs now.

Just a day or so ago I was trying to come up with counters for Eldar lists that dominate with ranged D WK, WG and scatbikes and I had assumed FMC and flier spam should have a chance.

Doesn't change the fact that the EML is by far the most expensive heavy weapon choice. You can't pin EMLs on Jetbikes which all the prophets here are invoking on upcoming tournaments. So your counterlist is pretty much not influenced by the addition of flak missiles to EML.

Imperials usually pay +5 points, if that, when they can get a Missile Launcher over a Heavy Bolter. +10 for Flakk.

Eldar usually pay +15 points for a missile launcher over a basic heavy weapon, which comes with Flakk.

Heavy weapon availability might be a concern, but the pricing for EML specifically doesn't seem that broken...

Is a CAD wraith list still possible with this? I had nothing living in my lists besides vehicle pilots and seers.

Yeah. EML is 15 points, while BL is 5 points. I think the Skyfire missiles are figured into the point cost, especially when you consider they lost pinning.

Bharring wrote:
Imperials usually pay +5 points, if that, when they can get a Missile Launcher over a Heavy Bolter. +10 for Flakk.

Eldar usually pay +15 points for a missile launcher over a basic heavy weapon, which comes with Flakk.

Heavy weapon availability might be a concern, but the pricing for EML specifically doesn't seem that broken...

Devastator Squads pay 15 points for the Missile Launcher and another 10 for the flakk. Sure, that's from bolter, but it does end up at 39 points for what is a basic marine with flakk. What does the equivalent cost at the Eldar camp?

 n0t_u wrote:
Is a CAD wraith list still possible with this? I had nothing living in my lists besides vehicle pilots and seers.

No: Spirit Seers no long change the FoC slot for Wraith Guard. They are Elites, so you'll have to take the requisite 2 units of troops. However, the Wraith Host Formation is 1 Spirit Seer, 3 units of Wraith Guard (any type), a Wraithlord and a Wraithknight. /shrug

90 for a Guardian unit
15? For a HB-equivelent
30? For an EML

Max 1 per 10 Guardians

But perhaps the WW is a better example:
160? For 4x HB-equivelent
+15 per ML, so 220 for 4xML

Devs:
70 stock
110 for 4xHB
130 for 4xML no flak
170 for 4xML+Flakk

On the WW it seems fairly reasonable. A pretty good balance against what it costs for the Devs. 10 points cheaper, a little more mobile but on two platforms that are fairly easy to pick off. Not that 5 marines are immensely hard to pick off, but easier to place somewhere nice, I suppose.

But aren't EML scattered quite liberally across a lot of bigger gun platforms too?

Yes, but you always pay a premium plus you have no access to what you took before, i.e. Bright Lances, Scatter Lasers etc.

According to those numbers, WW is 10 more points per ML+Flank, not less. But yes, it seems reasonable to me.

The heavier platforms can typically take a single EML in place of a heavy weapon for 15pts. When we're talking 110 points for a stock Serpent, that's 125 for one EML shot a round. Useful, but not terrible.


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Also, the small blast version is AP4, which makes it better than an IoM ML by a little.

Bharring wrote:
According to those numbers, WW is 10 more points per ML+Flank, not less. But yes, it seems reasonable to me.

Actually, 50 more now that you mention it.

The heavier platforms can typically take a single EML in place of a heavy weapon for 15pts. When we're talking 110 points for a stock Serpent, that's 125 for one EML shot a round. Useful, but not terrible.

As long as it can split fire, that 15 point cost is gonna be auto include unless you know you're not gonna face a flier. If you're not able to split fire, though, shooting that one weapon at a flier is gonna invalidate the rest of your guns that round. In that case, no. I would never take it there.
This is my problem with the Dunewalkers. They have a skyfire array that is insane. A group of 3 Dunewalkers with that thing is gonna keep the skies clear... but they will not be able to do anything else well, and if you run one with and two without, then they will have two people firing blindly into the air for rounds where they try to take out airborne things and one that mostly makes "prrrrt" sounds when they are targeting ground targets. And you REALLY want them in that group of 3 for the save.

In the case of the 125 Serpent, it doesn't have Split Fire. But its only other gun (aside from the nerfed Serpent Shield) is a TL shuriken catapult. 2 s4 shots at 12". Not losing much.

Split Fire is really only available to Eldar on HQs and Superheavies.

I really don't see EML being much of a threat.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Nope. Communion of Minds grants them the bonus dice and a variable Mastery Level. Unless my leaked photo chopped off a sentence, it does not prevent their group Mastery Level from adding dice normally.


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Which means a squad of 10 would generate 13 dice, and only be able to cast 3 powers. Be a nice buff for your other psykers.

This is RAW, but purely a function of the crappy rules writing ability of GW designers. It's clear to me that they intended it to replace, not augment, the dice they gain from their ML. Wondering how tournaments will rule it.