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Massawyrm wrote: One of the things mentioned but not yet truly digested is that the Eldar Missile Launcher comes standard with Starhawk Missiles (the new flakk missiles). There is no upgrade cost for them. Meaning that Wave Serpents, Vypers, Falcons, Warwalkers, Wraithlords, Guardians, Dark Reapers, Wasps, Hornets, Corsairs and Corsair Venoms can all get cheap skyfire now.
Ahahahahah another nail in the competitive Eldar coffin.
Everyone else pays 10 points for it; the Eldar get it for free because hey, they are superior.
If this is really true, then EMLs will be the most common weapon on pretty much any mounting in an Eldar army. Watch how Tau just got dethroned as anti-air kings. Watch how Eldar bring everything down, even Fliers and FMCs now.
Just a day or so ago I was trying to come up with counters for Eldar lists that dominate with ranged D WK, WG and scatbikes and I had assumed FMC and flier spam should have a chance.
You say it like anyone would willingly okay against it in the first place. Its just another thing to pile on to GW's screwup pile. This codex is going to go down in their history as their biggest mistake ever. Complaints from all the other sane players that know its nothing but pandering model selling trash, and complaints from those who bought it and now get unfairly screwed by public opinion and get no games.
warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
Bharring wrote: Why would anyone have a problem facing the EML? SL, sure. WW, I can see it. But EML pays for Flakk like IoM, they just can't decide not to take it?
No. In the new codex the skyfire missiles come standard. There's no longer an upgrade charge. Half the codex has access to cheap skyfire now, and Guardians get it for free with one of the formations.
Bharring wrote: Why would anyone have a problem facing the EML? SL, sure. WW, I can see it. But EML pays for Flakk like IoM, they just can't decide not to take it?
No. In the new codex the skyfire missiles come standard. There's no longer an upgrade charge. Half the codex has access to cheap skyfire now, and Guardians get it for free with one of the formations.
I think what he means is, the price is baked in. A space marine pays 15 for the missile launcher and 10 for the flakk, but that's from a bolter.
The Eldar seem to mostly, if not always, have to drop a heavy weapon to get it, meaning the model that takes it is already paying up to the equivalent of a space marine with a heavy bolter.
Seen in that light, they've already payed the 10 extra for the flakk. They just don't have the option not to take it. But I could be missing something, as I do not play Eldar.
I was comparing more directly to the difference between an SM with a HB, and an SM with a ML, but same general idea, Purifier.
I can't think of a single place where its not replacing a Shuriken Cannon - the sort of a equivalent of a HB - to take an EML, aside from a Dark Reaper Exarch, where its replacing a different ML.
Bharring wrote: I was comparing more directly to the difference between an SM with a HB, and an SM with a ML, but same general idea, Purifier.
I can't think of a single place where its not replacing a Shuriken Cannon - the sort of a equivalent of a HB - to take an EML, aside from a Dark Reaper Exarch, where its replacing a different ML.
Ah, I see what you're saying. It's not the price decrease from the previous codex which is the issue (The price of most EML's didn't change, and you're right about the Cannon tax), the issue is only 2 units in the previous codex, Dark reapers and Warwalkers, could purchase the Flakks. Now Everyone that can take an EML gets it, removing the need for dedicated AA. Personally I like the change, but that's the issue.
Compared to 'Crimson Hunter, Serpents, or pray', having a few other ways to do AA is nice.
And at that price point, its usually only purchased if you really, really like the EML (I do), or you want a little AA somewhere.
That said,
1) With the new dex, we didn't need it. So much else can do AA now it seems.
2) flakk doesn't seem to be a common AA strategy for other armies that can take it.
3) The EML lost pinning. Still kinda bummed.
I really don't think the EML is going to be a problem. Might actually be worth 15pts each now, even. But it's certainly not undercosted.
So what does the Dire Avenger Shrine get?
What units are required for the StormHost?
If you dont short hand your list, Im not reading it.
Example: Assault Intercessors- x5 -Thunder hammer and plasma pistol on sgt.
or Assault Terminators 3xTH/SS, 2xLCs
For the love of God, GW, get rid of reroll mechanics. ALL OF THEM!
Col. Dash wrote: So what does the Dire Avenger Shrine get?
What units are required for the StormHost?
Simply ridiculous (and wonderful!) number of perks for the Dire Avenger Shrine:
1. 3 units of Dire Avengers, only 1 can have an Exarch, but not mandatory to have one
2. +1 BS for the Dire Avengers in the formation
3. Once per game (one shooting phase per game), guns are Assault 3 instead of Assault 2
4. Can reroll Morale, Fear and Pinning tests
The Stormhost requirements are:
1. 1 Farseer
2. 1 Squadron of Vypers (minimum of 1)
3. 1 Unit of Warwalkers (minimum of 1)
4. 3 Units of Storm Guardians (8-man sized minimum)
5. 1 Unit of Vaul's Wraith Support Battery (minimum of 1)
6. 0-1 Warlock Conclave (optional)
3 units in any combo of aspects. All must take an exarch. All can re-roll morale checks. Before battle, pick +1BS or +1WS, this applies to all models in the formation. Bit inflexible that, because obviously if you mix close combat and shooting aspects you don't quite get the full benefits.
Same everything as before but scatter lasers are now free like the shuri canons
Do you guys see WW becomming defunct with this release since scatbikes are effectively the same platform, the HS slot being crowded already and them getting no new buffs. I have 4 collcted over the years but am not sure they now serve a function?
Before taking 3 could put out 24 shots with a 5+ save from the shield but bike spam now makes that seem insignificant.
Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
Seeing what's going to be in this codex and what's comming in the future, the days of the Force Organisation chart are comming to an end. 40K is living another reboot comparable to what we have seen between 2nd and 3rd eddition. Welcome to the age of Unbown and Formation. Don't worry, it's gonna be fun (PS: I am actualy honest saying that).
Does the timeline page contain an entree for a future event that seems to be a really big deal? It would be the last entree of the timeline, I ask because as Matt from MWG pointed out, the past few codicies have had a sort of hint for big events to come, with the Harlequin timeline referencing a "big final act" and the Skitarii discussed a them fining an STC which would allow them to master psychic powers, and optimize humanity's psychic form.
I am curious if this trend continues and if it i indeed pointing to some kind of timeline advancement.
Would appreciate you looking into it, thanks ahead of time!
so no.
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Blood Ravens (using Ravenguard CT) 1500 l 
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Eldar Corsairs: 4000 pts
Imperial Guard: 4000 pts
Corregidor 700 pts
Acontecimento 400 pts 
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