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Note that this thread is related to my other thread so be welcome to check that one out also. So, as the title says, which dread is the best? Is it the BA, SW or vanilla version, or is there another one that is best overall?

Define "best". The wolves one with the shield is probably the best for 1 on 1 melee combat, the fragioso is best against horde armies, a double autocannon one is the best at dealing with light vehicles/aircraft and could deal decent damage before any of the other variants even get into CC....

I think the BA one that gets potentially limitless attacks is the best one. Was that Furioso with claws? Or Death Company Dread? Not sure but thats the one. All you need is good rolls and you can go to town.

I'm pretty fond of the ironclad. Gets work done.

 kingbobbito wrote:
Define "best". The wolves one with the shield is probably the best for 1 on 1 melee combat, the fragioso is best against horde armies, a double autocannon one is the best at dealing with light vehicles/aircraft and could deal decent damage before any of the other variants even get into CC....

What I have heard is that the fragioso has a weapon that fires two templates. However, couldn't you reach the same results by using an ironclad with two HFlamers?

I raise you a forgefiend to your double autocannon. 1 higher strength and reroll to armourpen/wound once per game. And twice the shots, though at one less BS. assuming you haven't abandoned the idea of chaos yet.




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plus it comes with an invu save and IWND


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It's also pinning.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I think the BA one that gets potentially limitless attacks is the best one. Was that Furioso with claws? Or Death Company Dread? Not sure but thats the one. All you need is good rolls and you can go to town.

They took that away with the 7th Ed Codex.

Best one? SW Venerable Dread with Storm Shield (yeah, a 3++ Storm Shield) and Frenrisian Great Axe. He still has a Storm Bolter for shooting.


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Of course, this is a purely academic discussion; no one uses dread's these days. Too expensive for what you get, horribly slow, bad AV's and too few HP's.

I enjoy a good BA Libby-nought. Able to toss d3 init and attacks on itself as well as fleet, plus whatever other powers he rolls, in addition to FA 13 and being a character for challenges.

That or the fragioso with frag cannon/heavy flamer in a pod.

 Tamwulf wrote:

Of course, this is a purely academic discussion; no one uses dread's these days. Too expensive for what you get, horribly slow, bad AV's and too few HP's.

I use a dreadnought in almost every list I run; of course I am not super competitive or anything and run the 'dread just because I love the model. I think with the right loadout they could be competitive (perhaps TL Lascannon with TL Autocannon?), but I agree that there are usually better things to fill the elites slot with.

 Sienisoturi wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
Define "best". The wolves one with the shield is probably the best for 1 on 1 melee combat, the fragioso is best against horde armies, a double autocannon one is the best at dealing with light vehicles/aircraft and could deal decent damage before any of the other variants even get into CC....

What I have heard is that the fragioso has a weapon that fires two templates. However, couldn't you reach the same results by using an ironclad with two HFlamers?

The furioso can take a frag launcher AND a heavy flamer. Keep in mind that the frag launcher is S6 rending, meaning you can hurt things in armor better than a flamer can manage. You're over doubling the wounds at the cost of AP 4, meaning against literally anything that isn't exactly a 4+ save you're going to do better, and even then you won't be doing any worse. Throw on ID vs T3.

 kingbobbito wrote:

 Sienisoturi wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
Define "best". The wolves one with the shield is probably the best for 1 on 1 melee combat, the fragioso is best against horde armies, a double autocannon one is the best at dealing with light vehicles/aircraft and could deal decent damage before any of the other variants even get into CC....

What I have heard is that the fragioso has a weapon that fires two templates. However, couldn't you reach the same results by using an ironclad with two HFlamers?

The furioso can take a frag launcher AND a heavy flamer. Keep in mind that the frag launcher is S6 rending, meaning you can hurt things in armor better than a flamer can manage. You're over doubling the wounds at the cost of AP 4, meaning against literally anything that isn't exactly a 4+ save you're going to do better, and even then you won't be doing any worse. Throw on ID vs T3.

Well then. It seems like the furioso is overall the best, as it has a decent anti-tank close combat capability and is excellent against hordes. What would support it well then? Death-company, terminators, plasma-dreads?

Contemptor ;-)

 Tamwulf wrote:

Of course, this is a purely academic discussion; no one uses dread's these days. Too expensive for what you get, horribly slow, bad AV's and too few HP's.

But fun as all get out!

The last list I took out, 1,250 points to celebrate me painting my 4th dread:


It was for a casual game, so not a “competitive” list, but a blast to play.

CC is an issue. You don’t have many attacks, so even with powerfists you just don’t kill that many guys. Even ironclads, the vanilla CC dread just can’t kill enough. Shooting is mediocre, a little overpriced, but solid. Pods/SR help with mobility.

I use fragnoughts in drop pods all the time. The frag cannon is much better than the heavy flamer, imo.

Martel732 wrote:
I use fragnoughts in drop pods all the time. The frag cannon is much better than the heavy flamer, imo.

Is there a BA formation that would let me run many dreads?