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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:37:56
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Gargantuan Gargant
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Buy formation, return models at local GW store, after scanning rules dataslate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:40:33
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Stoic Grail Knight
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Sure, I guess that's an option. I suppose it would just be easier to rip them from the internet like anything else rules-wise, but it doesn't change what GW is trying to do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:47:07
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Gargantuan Gargant
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Accolade wrote:Sure, I guess that's an option. I suppose it would just be easier to rip them from the internet like anything else rules-wise, but it doesn't change what GW is trying to do.
I'm can't get upset at GW for throwing a little something extra in for anyone willing to buy 5 knights, when I'll get the datalsate for the investment of the time it takes to do a google search and print it.
There is just no point to the rage against it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:47:34
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Lord of the Fleet
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It'd be even easier if GW just, you know, sold reasonably priced rules available to everyone.
But that's crazy talk.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:50:07
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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The next logical step for this ridiculousness is to make the limited edition versions of the codex with different rules, so people who buy more (limited, of course) get better rules than the plebs who buy the regular version.
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- Wayne
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:52:53
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Lord of the Fleet
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WayneTheGame wrote:The next logical step for this ridiculousness is to make the limited edition versions of the codex with different rules, so people who buy more (limited, of course) get better rules than the plebs who buy the regular version.
Yeah, but that's fine, cause you can just pirate it, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 21:07:44
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Regular Dakkanaut
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People were suggesting to ship the rules with the models right? GW provided exactly that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 21:17:02
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Stoic Grail Knight
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killerdou wrote:People were suggesting to ship the rules with the models right? GW provided exactly that 
The rules for the unit themselves
I'm not raging against this, I just think it's a lousy move in a series of lousy moves GW has made in an attempt to create exclusivity in a game whose biggest strength is ubiquity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 21:20:11
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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There rules practices. Kinda meh..
The models look very good though! Knights are a acquired taste but they look impressive.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 21:26:28
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Paramount Plague Censer Bearer
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Accolade wrote:killerdou wrote:People were suggesting to ship the rules with the models right? GW provided exactly that 
The rules for the unit themselves
I'm not raging against this, I just think it's a lousy move in a series of lousy moves GW has made in an attempt to create exclusivity in a game whose biggest strength is ubiquity.
The hilarious thing is it's not even exclusivity in terms of models. It's an exclusive PIECE OF PAPER. There is no reason I can think of to make this exclusive when you're using kits you're going to sell in the future anyway. They are not selling the models at a reduced price, just adding a piece of paper (hell it might even just be a digital document).
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My win rate while having my arms and legs tied behind by back while blindfolded and stuffed in a safe that is submerged underwater:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 22:34:28
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Accolade wrote:There is no 40k, there is only Apocalypse. Now get buying, Tom Kirby needs a boosted revenue report so he can convince the board to drop 40k production to only Space Marines and Imperial Knights.
and he did this by making Eldar the most obscenely OP faction in the game? your logic sir is questionable
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 22:41:52
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Stoic Grail Knight
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BrianDavion wrote: Accolade wrote:There is no 40k, there is only Apocalypse. Now get buying, Tom Kirby needs a boosted revenue report so he can convince the board to drop 40k production to only Space Marines and Imperial Knights.
and he did this by making Eldar the most obscenely OP faction in the game? your logic sir is questionable
Alright, you got me there.
Space Marines, evil Space Marines, AND Space elves. That better?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 22:44:02
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Accolade wrote:BrianDavion wrote: Accolade wrote:There is no 40k, there is only Apocalypse. Now get buying, Tom Kirby needs a boosted revenue report so he can convince the board to drop 40k production to only Space Marines and Imperial Knights.
and he did this by making Eldar the most obscenely OP faction in the game? your logic sir is questionable
Alright, you got me there.
Space Marines, evil Space Marines, AND Space elves. That better?
I dunno, how many people actually feel like GW wants us to play CSMs?
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 22:52:30
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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BrianDavion wrote: Accolade wrote:BrianDavion wrote: Accolade wrote:There is no 40k, there is only Apocalypse. Now get buying, Tom Kirby needs a boosted revenue report so he can convince the board to drop 40k production to only Space Marines and Imperial Knights.
and he did this by making Eldar the most obscenely OP faction in the game? your logic sir is questionable
Alright, you got me there.
Space Marines, evil Space Marines, AND Space elves. That better?
I dunno, how many people actually feel like GW wants us to play CSMs?
CSMs are under selling, that's why a bunch of dated sprues were included in the assassins game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 23:15:21
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Gargantuan Gargant
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Accolade wrote:
I dunno, how many people actually feel like GW wants us to play CSMs?
They just tossed Chaos Space Marine players a few bones with Codex: Khorne Daemonkin and the Assasins Board Game.
To be honest, I thought people were crazy when they said they'd start redoing the 6E hardcover codex, until the Eldar Craftworlds codex came out. Now I fully expect Chaos Space Marines to get a new dex within a year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 23:23:30
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Dakka Veteran
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Talys wrote: tenebre wrote:
you cant find the rules becasue they are ONLY available in that "exclusive" web bundle. hahah WOW.. even i call foul on this.
But agian releasing knights agian is an obvious money grab. I had hoped they would at least expand it to have chaos knights and various other factions "knight sized" units or something.
well, until ONE guy buys it and it gets posted up everywhere 
I wonder how many people are out there who'd buy this. There are a lot of people who've spent $1000 on this hobby, but there should by quite few who'd spend that much on impulse buying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 00:01:56
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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The IK's look awesome. I'm very tempted to throw down for one, but I dont know if my painting skills are capable of doing it any real justice. I think the price is worthwhile, and I'm going to buy the codex no matter what, but I'm just intimidated by such a large and impressive model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 00:05:30
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Bi'ios wrote:The IK's look awesome. I'm very tempted to throw down for one, but I dont know if my painting skills are capable of doing it any real justice. I think the price is worthwhile, and I'm going to buy the codex no matter what, but I'm just intimidated by such a large and impressive model.
I bought one of the old ones and did alright, you have to look real close to see the brush strokes, my painting has improved sicne then so I'm eager to put it to the test
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 00:08:27
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Flashy Flashgitz
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I don't get why they made exclusive rules. Still, I'm hoping the internet will do the right thing and make them available to everyone anyway.
As an ork player, I'm just totally jealous. The Knight Gallant is a close combat beast that can still bring some valuable shooting in the form of triple krak missiles and a meltagun, or a heavy stubber and a whirlwind rocket launcher. And then there's the Knight Crusader, which is basically what I had hoped the Gorka/Morkanauts would be, but better. Oh and the Gallant throws stuff, kinda like a klawstompa used to.
Man, I wouldn't even mind if Codex Orks: Gorkamorkanauts became a thing if it meant the 'nauts wouldn't suck anymore.
They still look good aesthetically too. Lovin' the Gallant and his powerfist (although every knight can take it, but in my mind it belongs to that variant). The Crusader is beautiful with all of its cannons. The Warden is a bit 'meh' compared to those two for me. I guess I just like lots of shooty or lots of choppy to a bit of both.
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Krush, stomp, kill! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 00:50:27
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Wait... in the year 2015 GW really thinks they can make exclusive rules? Srsly? How disconnected are they from the wold around them?
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 05:47:06
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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TheCustomLime wrote:Wait... in the year 2015 GW really thinks they can make exclusive rules? Srsly? How disconnected are they from the wold around them?
exclusive rules are stupid anyway, if only 1000 people ever had access to the formation it'd swiftly become de facto banned
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 05:51:39
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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2nd Lieutenant
San Jose, California
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Well, looks like I made the correct choice and quit 40k for X-Wing.
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Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime - Belkar Bitterleaf |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 06:10:02
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Zathras wrote:Well, looks like I made the correct choice and quit 40k for X-Wing.
I enjoy building and painting minis too much for x-wing to hold any appeal nut the rapid release pattern of 40k almost has me wondering if I can afford to keep playing
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 08:33:44
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Dakka Veteran
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Mumblez wrote:I don't get why they made exclusive rules. Still, I'm hoping the internet will do the right thing and make them available to everyone anyway.
As an ork player, I'm just totally jealous. The Knight Gallant is a close combat beast that can still bring some valuable shooting in the form of triple krak missiles and a meltagun, or a heavy stubber and a whirlwind rocket launcher. And then there's the Knight Crusader, which is basically what I had hoped the Gorka/Morkanauts would be, but better. Oh and the Gallant throws stuff, kinda like a klawstompa used to.
Man, I wouldn't even mind if Codex Orks: Gorkamorkanauts became a thing if it meant the 'nauts wouldn't suck anymore.
They still look good aesthetically too. Lovin' the Gallant and his powerfist (although every knight can take it, but in my mind it belongs to that variant). The Crusader is beautiful with all of its cannons. The Warden is a bit 'meh' compared to those two for me. I guess I just like lots of shooty or lots of choppy to a bit of both.
The Klaw Stompa still does throw any vehicle it destroys in close combat.
In fact its abilities are actually superior there as it can throw ANY vehicle it wrecks in close combat and all of them at that.
The Knight Gallant is limited to just Monstrous Creatures and regular Vehicles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 11:03:27
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Flashy Flashgitz
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The Imperial Answer wrote: Mumblez wrote:I don't get why they made exclusive rules. Still, I'm hoping the internet will do the right thing and make them available to everyone anyway.
As an ork player, I'm just totally jealous. The Knight Gallant is a close combat beast that can still bring some valuable shooting in the form of triple krak missiles and a meltagun, or a heavy stubber and a whirlwind rocket launcher. And then there's the Knight Crusader, which is basically what I had hoped the Gorka/Morkanauts would be, but better. Oh and the Gallant throws stuff, kinda like a klawstompa used to.
Man, I wouldn't even mind if Codex Orks: Gorkamorkanauts became a thing if it meant the 'nauts wouldn't suck anymore.
They still look good aesthetically too. Lovin' the Gallant and his powerfist (although every knight can take it, but in my mind it belongs to that variant). The Crusader is beautiful with all of its cannons. The Warden is a bit 'meh' compared to those two for me. I guess I just like lots of shooty or lots of choppy to a bit of both.
The Klaw Stompa still does throw any vehicle it destroys in close combat.
In fact its abilities are actually superior there as it can throw ANY vehicle it wrecks in close combat and all of them at that.
The Knight Gallant is limited to just Monstrous Creatures and regular Vehicles.
Isn't the klawstompa outdated by now? It's from the first Apocalypse book and that has since been re-done.
I realize the klawstompa's throwing was better, but it was also an apoc only unit back in the day. The Gallant seems to do pretty much the same just in regular games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 11:40:13
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Can we just say now that limited availability rules are not tournaments legal? It's crazy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 13:11:04
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ah forget it.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 19:46:28
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Grey Knight Psionic Stormraven Pilot
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I guess we all look at our hobbies from different view points. To be honest I don't mind buying a new codex after only one year. Is it optimal, no, but with new models and content I'll be happy. I much prefer this to my Tomb Kings, I got into Kings when they redid them back in the early 90's. Then nothing for more than 10 years.
I spent this morning shooting competitively with a gun that's worth more than $3000 and burned about $45 worth of ammo, for about 5 hours of enjoyment. So $41 for a book I will use for a year seems well valued to me. And there is no doubt they are beautiful books.
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Grey Knights 7500 points
Inquisition, 2500 points
Baneblade
Adeptus Mechanicus 3000 points |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 22:39:36
Subject: Re:So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I was on my way to become a regular white knight but GW make themselves impossible to defend. Rules exclusive to buyers of 785$ bundle, also rules exclusive to buyers of any bundle just expose them. Hey GW if that's one person idea, better fire that idiot asap, release the rules for free and make a public apology because otherwise your rules are a confirmed wortless pile of crap not worh spitting on.
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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.
A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.
How could I look away?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 23:06:49
Subject: So, NEW Imperial Knights
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Solis Luna Astrum wrote:I guess we all look at our hobbies from different view points. To be honest I don't mind buying a new codex after only one year. Is it optimal, no, but with new models and content I'll be happy. I much prefer this to my Tomb Kings, I got into Kings when they redid them back in the early 90's. Then nothing for more than 10 years.
I'd hardly call the new Knight release 'new models and new content'. Its an extra sprue for an existing kit and a codex with about a dozen new options all told.
I spent this morning shooting competitively with a gun that's worth more than $3000 and burned about $45 worth of ammo, for about 5 hours of enjoyment. So $41 for a book I will use for a year seems well valued to me. And there is no doubt they are beautiful books.
I just finished an afternoon on my half a million dollar yacht and plan on taking my own helo for a spin this evening.
None of that makes GW's pricing and codex replacements/cycle any less ridiculous or above reproach.
Some hobbies are more expensive. Comparing them is entirely useless. Instead, compare GW and their prices to something similar, like another wargame.
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