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Hi Guys,

I have started building a Skitarii army and I am going over the rules and I am a bit unsure about using the ruststalkers in assault, so I am hoping to clarify the rules. Questions are:

Ruststalkers are armed with a transonic razor, chordclaw and a mindscrambler grendade (assuming they havent upgraded).

When attacking in assault am i correct in saying that ONE ruststalker can choose to throw a grenade not the whole squad each throwing one?

If the princeps is armed with a prehensile dataspike can he elect to make all his attacks with this weapon as well as the bonus attack at initiative 10? I have never used a model with multiple types of assault weapons before, have read the rules and I am confident that this is correct but wanted to make sure.

Thanks

Fez

1) When you are in an assault, all models can elect to use their grenades as their weapon. This means that all Ruststalkers can attack with grenades in melee combat.

2) If the princeps is armed with the dataspike, he makes one attack at I10 with the dataspike. Then, at I4, he attacks with a weapon of your choice as normal.

DaPino wrote:
1) When you are in an assault, all models can elect to use their grenades as their weapon. This means that all Ruststalkers can attack with grenades in melee combat.

2) If the princeps is armed with the dataspike, he makes one attack at I10 with the dataspike. Then, at I4, he attacks with a weapon of your choice as normal.

Just a side note, keep in mind that you can only use grenades in melee against vehicles or MCs. The only time you can use grenades against infantry is throwing a single one during the shooting phase.

Dataspike is as stated above, you get a single attack with the dataspike before doing your regular attacks at initiative.

The above are only mostly correct, they follow the general rules but the rustsalker's gear adds extra specials.

For the base ruststalkers you have all of the following:

In shooting 1 ruststalker can throw the grenade.

When assaulting the grenades are assault grenades(like frag) and then the whole unit can make their cc attacks as grenade attacks only against vehicles (this is special to the mindscrambler grenades).

The princeps whith dataspike always makes the I10 single dataspike attack in addition to his other attacks.

When attacking a non-vehicle unit(or a vehicle and opting not to use the grenades) 1 of your attacks (and only 1)is always with the claw(this is also special to the claw.

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

awesome thanks for clearing that up guys

Appreciate it.

Fez

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

Not quite true. When you nominate a weapon to use all of your attacks come from that weapon. If you choose to use the razor then you do not get your 1 fleshbane attack granted from the chord claw. IIRC the dataspike also counts as a CCW with haywire so you could use that instead of throwing a grenade against vehicles

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

Not quite true. When you nominate a weapon to use all of your attacks come from that weapon. If you choose to use the razor then you do not get your 1 fleshbane attack granted from the chord claw. IIRC the dataspike also counts as a CCW with haywire so you could use that instead of throwing a grenade against vehicles

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570/633677.page
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Full debate on the whole "when equipped with this weapon" working / not working in RaW.

But RaI and HIWPI, Kommissar Kel is correct.

 BlackTalos wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

Not quite true. When you nominate a weapon to use all of your attacks come from that weapon. If you choose to use the razor then you do not get your 1 fleshbane attack granted from the chord claw. IIRC the dataspike also counts as a CCW with haywire so you could use that instead of throwing a grenade against vehicles

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570/633677.page
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Full debate on the whole "when equipped with this weapon" working / not working in RaW.

But RaI and HIWPI, Kommissar Kel is correct.

Agreed. From an apparent RaI standpoint and HIWPI, the same. From a RaW standpoint, the second you say you're attacking with the Transonic Razor, you lose the special abilities of the Chord Claw. I don't actually know anyone who plays this way, though. I assume this is another example of GW meaning one thing and writing another.

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

Not quite true. When you nominate a weapon to use all of your attacks come from that weapon. If you choose to use the razor then you do not get your 1 fleshbane attack granted from the chord claw. IIRC the dataspike also counts as a CCW with haywire so you could use that instead of throwing a grenade against vehicles

You are absolutely correct; no chord claw attack at all.

I had misread the entry on my phone waiting for my gf to walk her dog and thought the special rule was that a single regular chord claw attack was made(along with normal other weapons attacks).

I would absolutely not advocate the use of a dissonance attack along with the razors.

 Kriswall wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

Not quite true. When you nominate a weapon to use all of your attacks come from that weapon. If you choose to use the razor then you do not get your 1 fleshbane attack granted from the chord claw. IIRC the dataspike also counts as a CCW with haywire so you could use that instead of throwing a grenade against vehicles

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570/633677.page
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Full debate on the whole "when equipped with this weapon" working / not working in RaW.

But RaI and HIWPI, Kommissar Kel is correct.

Agreed. From an apparent RaI standpoint and HIWPI, the same. From a RaW standpoint, the second you say you're attacking with the Transonic Razor, you lose the special abilities of the Chord Claw. I don't actually know anyone who plays this way, though. I assume this is another example of GW meaning one thing and writing another.

Indeed, i'd always allow an opponent to attack at I4 with 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw. As that was the intention (IIRC written with even more intent to work this way than Harlequins had) of the weapon in question.

 Kriswall wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

Not quite true. When you nominate a weapon to use all of your attacks come from that weapon. If you choose to use the razor then you do not get your 1 fleshbane attack granted from the chord claw. IIRC the dataspike also counts as a CCW with haywire so you could use that instead of throwing a grenade against vehicles

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570/633677.page
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Full debate on the whole "when equipped with this weapon" working / not working in RaW.

But RaI and HIWPI, Kommissar Kel is correct.

Agreed. From an apparent RaI standpoint and HIWPI, the same. From a RaW standpoint, the second you say you're attacking with the Transonic Razor, you lose the special abilities of the Chord Claw. I don't actually know anyone who plays this way, though. I assume this is another example of GW meaning one thing and writing another.

Technically the only difference between the chordclaw and the transonic razor is that the chordclaw has the "one of each models attack dice becomes fleshbane in CC"
you would have to be taking large amounts of cough-medicene to only use the transonic razor!

 SirDonlad wrote:
Technically the only difference between the chordclaw and the transonic razor is that the chordclaw has the "one of each models attack dice becomes fleshbane in CC"
you would have to be taking large amounts of cough-medicene to only use the transonic razor!

Agreed. I think this is just an example of rules being written to match the model. There is no reason to EVER attack with the Transonic Razor.

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

So the princeps after charging goes: i10 dataspike, then i4 4 transonic razor attacks and 1 chord claw

Not quite true. When you nominate a weapon to use all of your attacks come from that weapon. If you choose to use the razor then you do not get your 1 fleshbane attack granted from the chord claw. IIRC the dataspike also counts as a CCW with haywire so you could use that instead of throwing a grenade against vehicles

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570/633677.page
/\
Full debate on the whole "when equipped with this weapon" working / not working in RaW.

But RaI and HIWPI, Kommissar Kel is correct.

Agreed. From an apparent RaI standpoint and HIWPI, the same. From a RaW standpoint, the second you say you're attacking with the Transonic Razor, you lose the special abilities of the Chord Claw. I don't actually know anyone who plays this way, though. I assume this is another example of GW meaning one thing and writing another.

Technically the only difference between the chordclaw and the transonic razor is that the chordclaw has the "one of each models attack dice becomes fleshbane in CC"
you would have to be taking large amounts of cough-medicene to only use the transonic razor!

^This. The transonic razor as it exists in the codex is an entirely pointless weapon, as there is no downside to using the chordclaw. Both have transonic, and only difference is that the chordclaw makes one of your attacks fleshbane. Thus transonic razor has no purpose other than to be an additional close combat weapon.

You also can absolutely use the prehensile dataspike in close combat, as it is a melee weapon thus granting your princeps a ton of haywire attacks on the charge. 3 regular, 1 for charging, 1 for the extra that prehensile dataspike gives at I10, for 5 haywire attacks!