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Step 1. Offer 25% off on new Eldar bundle releases including Codex, Jetbikes etc.

Step 2. Spend the coming weeks promoting how overpowered the new Eldar are.

Step 3. Create a challenge event with live battle reports, BEAT THE ELDAR AND WIN $250us !

Step 4. Sell a metric F*%K ton of Eldar

Step 5. ! ! ! ! PROFIT ! ! ! !

Step 6. Change your tournament rules and Nerf the living F*%K out of Eldar so that your customers who purchased Eldar either can't use the models at all, or can use a nerf'd version of them.

Step 7. Go straight to hell, do not pass go.

I don't see how this is a great conspiracy

 CrownAxe wrote:
I don't see how this is a great conspiracy

Agreed, edited. A simple conspiracy.

itsNot2ndEd wrote:
Step 1. Offer 25% off on new Eldar bundle releases including Codex, Jetbikes etc.

Step 2. Spend the coming weeks promoting how overpowered the new Eldar are.

Step 3. Create a challenge event with live battle reports, BEAT THE ELDAR AND WIN $250us !

Step 4. Sell a metric F*%K ton of Eldar

Step 5. ! ! ! ! PROFIT ! ! ! !

Step 6. Change your tournament rules and Nerf the living F*%K out of Eldar so that your customers who purchased Eldar either can't use the models at all, or can use a nerf'd version of them.

Step 7. Go straight to hell, do not pass go.

You do know under the current ITC rules the Wraithguard, ranged Wraithknight and Hemlock wouldn't be allowed anyway right?

Man, I can't believe Frontline Gaming manage to lobby GW to make the rules for Eldar so broken! Clearly one of them most be Kirby's nephew or something.

Also, God FORBID they offer a discount on this insanely priced plastic. AND they're trying to drum up excitement and views for their page? Now they've gone too far!!

itsNot2ndEd wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
I don't see how this is a great conspiracy

Agreed, edited. A simple conspiracy.

No. I mean there is no reason that this is a conspiracy. There is no logical reason to both promote eldar sells and simultaneously nerf them as they are completely conflicting. It's a lose-lose situation if they were actually doing this as one giant scheme.

I wouldnt call this a conspiracy, but more of a business tactic. Cant blame them for trying to make a profit from gullible people....Might as well take advantage of the chaos the internet brings.

itsNot2ndEd wrote:
Step 1. Offer 25% off on new Eldar bundle releases including Codex, Jetbikes etc.

Step 2. Spend the coming weeks promoting how overpowered the new Eldar are.

Step 3. Create a challenge event with live battle reports, BEAT THE ELDAR AND WIN $250us !

Step 4. Sell a metric F*%K ton of Eldar

Step 5. ! ! ! ! PROFIT ! ! ! !

Step 6. Change your tournament rules and Nerf the living F*%K out of Eldar so that your customers who purchased Eldar either can't use the models at all, or can use a nerf'd version of them.

Step 7. Go straight to hell, do not pass go.

Have you ever attended an ITC event in the US? If not how does this affect you?

Someone better tell Reecius that people are catching wind of his devious marketing strategy, next thing you know people will have put 2 and 2 together and realise he's actually a fine upstanding citizen.

Or you could stop being "That Guy" and not be a Bandwagoner to an OP Codex.

Yeah that strategy is pretty messed up. The things people resort to these days. I guess integrity is not among business models.

itsNot2ndEd wrote:
Step 1. Offer 25% off on new Eldar bundle releases including Codex, Jetbikes etc.

Step 2. Spend the coming weeks promoting how overpowered the new Eldar are.

Step 3. Create a challenge event with live battle reports, BEAT THE ELDAR AND WIN $250us !

Step 4. Sell a metric F*%K ton of Eldar

Step 5. ! ! ! ! PROFIT ! ! ! !

Step 6. Change your tournament rules and Nerf the living F*%K out of Eldar so that your customers who purchased Eldar either can't use the models at all, or can use a nerf'd version of them.

Step 7. Go straight to hell, do not pass go.

I don't see what's wrong. They simply raised aweness about the problem with eldar and then chose to limit it in their own setting while also letting people have a sick discount of new models in the process.

seems pretty nice to me.

Jaxler wrote:

itsNot2ndEd wrote:
Step 1. Offer 25% off on new Eldar bundle releases including Codex, Jetbikes etc.

Step 2. Spend the coming weeks promoting how overpowered the new Eldar are.

Step 3. Create a challenge event with live battle reports, BEAT THE ELDAR AND WIN $250us !

Step 4. Sell a metric F*%K ton of Eldar

Step 5. ! ! ! ! PROFIT ! ! ! !

Step 6. Change your tournament rules and Nerf the living F*%K out of Eldar so that your customers who purchased Eldar either can't use the models at all, or can use a nerf'd version of them.

Step 7. Go straight to hell, do not pass go.

I don't see what's wrong. They simply raised aweness about the problem with eldar and then chose to limit it in their own setting while also letting people have a sick discount of new models in the process.

seems pretty nice to me.

They cant use the models they bought... So unless you are buying them with the intention to not play with them then I guess its a pretty cool deal. But what % of people do ou think that is especially if they buy the codex?

I hope you were just trying to be funny as frontline gaming always offers a 25% preorder discount and always play tests the new codexes to see if they need any rule amendments. Reece has actually done 250 usd challenges twice before 1) you had to beat his revenant titan list when escalation came out and 2) win against him with nids when they came out.

Plus if anything he would his current gaming mat conspiracy is occupying his alpha legion.

I never realized that buying new models from a store at a large discount meant that you could only use the models at LVO, BAO, and wargames con, as those are the only tournaments run by Frontline. All other ITC tournaments are free to modify, change, or disregard anything they want about the ITC format.

Yes, it's not like the 25% off is a tradition, nope no way

People are going to buy the eldar stuff, if not from them then someone else. Why not make money off of it? And if your complaining because the book written by money grubbing idiots who pandered to make a buck no matter cost to name and reputation gets justifiably nerfed in order to bring it in line with the rest of the game, I have no sympathy for you.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yes, it's not like the 25% off is a tradition, nope no way

heck, at 25% off retail, they aren't making that much of a profit, unless they get a steep volume discount from GW.

Well as a person who play strictly by the rules, people who modify them (TO or otherwise) don't sit well with me. The fact that they moddified their tournament setting rules AFTER selling models to people is sneaky.

LOL. You can't play strictly by the rules. The game breaks when you try. The rules aren't written nearly tightly enough, plus GW tells you to change the rules however you like anyway.

I havn't broken the game yet. Everything I have done works by the book.

How dare they offer discounts. The nerve! What do they think they are, a business?

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Someone better tell Reecius that people are catching wind of his devious marketing strategy, next thing you know people will have put 2 and 2 together and realise he's actually a

Spoiler:

n Alpha Legion operative.

fine upstanding citizen.

Please!

The Legion has some standards!

Anyone who follows ITC and Frontline Gaming knew these nerfs were coming when pre-orders went live. Reece and Franky were very open that they were looking at the rules based off the rumors and that people should expect some sort of action if it was warranted. If people couldn't be bothered to follow along with the open process it's hardly FLG's fault.

Xerics wrote:I havn't broken the game yet. Everything I have done works by the book.

Arschbombe wrote:LOL. You can't play strictly by the rules. The game breaks when you try. The rules aren't written nearly tightly enough, plus GW tells you to change the rules however you like anyway.

Xerics wrote:Well as a person who play strictly by the rules, people who modify them (TO or otherwise) don't sit well with me. The fact that they moddified their tournament setting rules AFTER selling models to people is sneaky.

Try these;
1) Fire warp spiders into sentry gun with Init - ... yep that is not 0 or any number.
2) Shoot a baleflamer heldrake...where the LoS of the gun is obscured by part of the model.
3) How do you measure unit coherency between models vertically when not in ruins?
4) Can you turbo boost and run a models in the same unit?
5) Can you tank shock out of DS?
BTW all of that is off the top of my head without a single look at any rules or other webpages.

The actual rules GW publishes are very patchy and they in fact state outright that you should change them however you want. The funniest part is that most people are playing under house rules of "we each take X pts in models" and think that is the "official" way the game "must" be played. GW outright says to take whatever you want in the BRB.


The funniest part of the your statement is that you say it is dishonest to sell models after a release, tell people there will probably be rule changes in their ITC rules before selling the models, then play test the new codex they have never seen before to determine in changes need to be made... So should they not play test and announce arbitrary changes or not sell models until a small business play tests something GW supposedly should play test, or not tell people there might be changes to one of the largest tournament packets in use? You do know that they are not GW and you do NOT need to use their rules packet right? (though I highly recommend it as it answers how to shoot a heldrake)

Crikey, do people really think like this?? The FLG guys are a great bunch and do a LOT to promote the hobby, and continued enjoyment of the hobby. I'm sad that I don't live in the US and have the opportunity to play in their tournaments.

 ansacs wrote:

Xerics wrote:I havn't broken the game yet. Everything I have done works by the book.

Arschbombe wrote:LOL. You can't play strictly by the rules. The game breaks when you try. The rules aren't written nearly tightly enough, plus GW tells you to change the rules however you like anyway.

Xerics wrote:Well as a person who play strictly by the rules, people who modify them (TO or otherwise) don't sit well with me. The fact that they moddified their tournament setting rules AFTER selling models to people is sneaky.

Try these;
1) Fire warp spiders into sentry gun with Init - ... yep that is not 0 or any number.
2) Shoot a baleflamer heldrake...where the LoS of the gun is obscured by part of the model.
3) How do you measure unit coherency between models vertically when not in ruins?
4) Can you turbo boost and run a models in the same unit?
5) Can you tank shock out of DS?
BTW all of that is off the top of my head without a single look at any rules or other webpages.

The actual rules GW publishes are very patchy and they in fact state outright that you should change them however you want. The funniest part is that most people are playing under house rules of "we each take X pts in models" and think that is the "official" way the game "must" be played. GW outright says to take whatever you want in the BRB.


The funniest part of the your statement is that you say it is dishonest to sell models after a release, tell people there will probably be rule changes in their ITC rules before selling the models, then play test the new codex they have never seen before to determine in changes need to be made... So should they not play test and announce arbitrary changes or not sell models until a small business play tests something GW supposedly should play test, or not tell people there might be changes to one of the largest tournament packets in use? You do know that they are not GW and you do NOT need to use their rules packet right? (though I highly recommend it as it answers how to shoot a heldrake)

I'm sure that just as many models would have gotten bought from thier store if they had announced the rules changes for their tournaments prior to selling Models (sarcasm)


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Also I am pretty sure the missions say to agree to a point value (I have my book on loan to a friend to read)

 Xerics wrote:

I'm sure that just as many models would have gotten bought from thier store if they had announced the rules changes for their tournaments prior to selling Models (sarcasm)

Also I am pretty sure the missions say to agree to a point value (I have my book on loan to a friend to read)

They stated before the codex came out that they were going to rebalance some of the units, they just weren't sure how. The modifications only apply to the tournaments that they run. They currently ban all ranged D weapons at their tournaments, so what they're doing is EASING the current restrictions to allow eldar players to actually bring Wraith units. They also modify invisibility and don't allow 2+ rerollable saves. This has been true for quite some time.

Anybody that has read the rules for any of their tournaments would have thought that the models they were selling would be ILLEGAL. Now they are legal, just toned down from the book. There was certainly no deception on their part. Even the most cursory inspection of their website reveals that they've been discussing these issues since before the codex was released.

The rulebook says that one acceptable way of choosing armies is to play to an agreed points limit, but it does also explicitly state that this is optional.

Accepting your suppositions for the sake of argument, your conclusion that its all a conspiracy makes no sense.

1. They spend a bunch of time talking about how overpowered units are.

2. They have a history of toning down overpowered units and abilities.

3. What exactly did you expect?!

Man, not allowing some things at a tourney to try to make it fair? Sheesh, da nerve. I bet they only ban Eldar and don't ban anything else.

/sarcasm

Seriously, as conspiracies go, this is rather lackluster.