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I'm heading to a doubles 600pt tournament, 300pts each, utterly unbound. I soon as i saw it, i said to my friend ''Sigh, how many people do you think will bring Wraithknights?''. The answer was 6. 6 People will be using wraithknights, and 2 of those people are on a team together, meaning 2 Wraithknights in 600pts. So i was wondering what units can kill a Wraithknight in 300pts and not be useless vs other things.

I plan on using the Heroes Path formation, because the Solitaire is Ws 9 (get's hit on 5's by the Knight), has a 3+ invul vs all but a 6 on stomp and can chip away at the Wraithknight using Caress and Cegorarches Rose (6+ to wound, but shred and causes D3 wounds). The Shadowseer would also help chip wounds away using Psy-Shriek and Mask of Secrets, and maybe a lucky bladestorm from the Death Jester. However this has the problem of being able to handle the Ranged Wraithknights, but falling flat against the Melee one. He only needs to roll 1 6 to insta kill the Solitaire or fail my 3++ once and die 2/3 of the time.

However i am at a loss to think what my partner could bring. What other units can kill a Wraithknight at 300pts?

A lucky bloodthirster of insensate rage.

Grav weapons could. I'd probably go

3x SM Bikes w/ 2x Grav and Melta Bombs
3x SM Bikes w/ 2x Grav and Melta Bombs
3x SM Bikes w/ 2x Grav and Melta Bombs

comes to 294 and would have 18 Grav shots against Wraithknights. Do 5.4 wounds on average so between the pair of you, you should be able to down a Wraithknight per turn.

Also be aware that the Solitaire has Eternal Warrior so he stays alive against S10/D (provided no sixes are rolled). He can also Hit and Run out of combat allowing your Shadowseer to pluck off a few more wounds with Scream.

What are the missions going to be? Probably better off ignoring the knights and going MSU or horde.

There are actually a variety of answers to this question. Many of them are also very good TAC choices as well.

CWE
*Wraithguard w/ D-scythes in a DE raider (1 turn WK kill)
*Wraithguard w/ wraithcannons in a waveserpent (1 turn WK kill)
*Either of the above with an archon w/ WWP (1 turn WK kill)
*Aspect host w/ 2 units warp spiders and 1 unit anything cheaper (2 turn WK kill)
*3 units of warp spiders (2 turn WK kill)
*Dire Avenger Shrine with 21 avengers and 1 exarch (1 turn WK kill)
*six 2x shucannon vypers (2.5 turn WK kill)

SM
*Grav Centurions in BA Drop Pod

IG
*4 Earthshaker heavy artillery carriages (several forgeworld lists can do this better BTW due to the lack of morale control at 300 pts) (take ~3 turns but from across the board and are essentially immune to return fire)

Elysian Drop Troops
*two CCS w/ 4x plasmaguns (2 turns WK kill, you will loose one unit but will still accomplish the task)

Skitarii
*Vanguard maxed

3 grav cents in a pod have a not unreasonable chance at dropping one if it's silly enough to be out of cover.

4x ML1 librarians all attempting psy shriek crammed in a pod and splitting off into seperate units might be able to take one down.

Ahriman firing off 3 psychic shrieks could possibly manage it as well, and since he's 230, you could have a single obliterator along for support, or just a bunch of cultists and hope to roll a 2 or 3 on arhimans warlord trait so they can all go together and give him plenty of ablative wounds.

A pair of ML3 GK librarians, one with the domina, one with a daemonhammer both roll sanctic and try for vortex and try and D-weapon the bugger off the table since they should roll gate at least once between them.

StormRaven/Talon/Wolf/Vendetta/starting on a Landing pad and relying on 6's to be hit and jinking.

Wraithguard and Archon taxi should sneak in under 300

300 points of deathmarks should be able to take one out since their wound on 2+ overrides the wounded on 6's for snipers because specific trumps general.

Lascannon devastators deployed on the battlements of a void shield generator would have a chance, since it's 2 turns minimum before he can realistically begin to touch your guys.

2 naked chaos lords and as many cultists as you can fit and try to win on objectives

Boatloads of MSU Orks and/or grots to try and win on objectives

20 individual mucolid spores and laugh as he literally can't kill enough units to wipe you out.

None of those are good options, but at least there's a moderate chance.

Three Grav centurions with hurricane bolters in a blood Angels or space wolf drop pod? Throw in an omniscope for the sergeant? Spend the 5 points left over somehow?

If only centurion sergeants could be veteran sergeants, id say use red scorpion tactics. I'd say use Ultramarines tactics or iron hands.

Drop them in a ruin or terrain, so if it doesn't one round it, your cents have a bit of protection from the return fire. Don't get to close though, they can move 12"... If they charge the cents, the cents are most likely dead.

Those new grav gun skitarii guys.

Drop pod Skitarii or katapron destroyers.

Probably the best build in 40k.

I take a hammer and I smash him on the table in front of you

There we go, it will work 100% of the time no rng, and the hammer costs nothing to field, you'd be totally helpless

Any flyer.

10 Kabalite Warriors in a Raider w/ Splinter racks = 20 twin linked BS4 poison +4 shots = 150pts

It'll work until the Wraithknight starts shooting back.

Oh yeah, and you can deepstrike them in right next to the WK.

Deamon Prince of Khorne with wings and either AoBF or Black Mace.

Steveh15 wrote:
10 Kabalite Warriors in a Raider w/ Splinter racks = 20 twin linked BS4 poison +4 shots = 150pts

It'll work until the Wraithknight starts shooting back.

You know poison only works on 6's against GMCs?

A large investment in Grav bikes is the only counter I can think of that can still act as a part of a TAC list.

Star Phantom Grav Centurions in a drop pod.

10 DeffKoptas with Rokkits.

Or 15 single Kannoz, T7 4 wound Str 8 Ap 3 36" range.

3x5 Warp Spiders.
30 shots, hits on 2+ wounds on 3+, with 6's being ap2 and instant death (D3 wounds).
A single volley drops him.

A Dire Avenger Shrine, 25 dire avengers, using the 1/game 3 shots each toast him as well. 75 shots, 2+ hit, 6's are AP2.

Utterly unbound?

Bring 30 Dark Eldar beast packs. Each 1 model.
Laugh as you tap dance all over the objectives.

While you cannot kill the wraith knights, they cannot kill you. Not unless the game goes 15 turns.

the Solitaire has Eternal Warrior so cannot be instakilled. With the spirit seer, psy shriek works but if you get mirror of minds, with that -2 Ld, you could kill him completely in 1 psychic phase. The jester is the weak link but still has uses vs other units.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
with 6's being ap2 and instant death (D3 wounds).

Wait wut. Was this new in the dex and I just missed it? 6's are ID?

6s are not ID on Warp Spiders. Just AP2. Instant Death is determined normally with S vs T. No extra bonuses there.

You'd need more than 20 Warp Spiders to reliably take down a Wraithknight in one volley. They're decent at finishing him up, but you want to get a few hits in first.

Anyway, Hemlock Wraithfighter. Stick 11 Rangers in cover 36" from the 'knight and take pot shots at him. When the plane arrives, move in, shriek at him psychically, then drop two D-scythe templates on him. With two shots and no skyfire he can barely hurt the plane.

Maybe a metric ton of Daemonettes/Seekers?

Let's see...eight units of gretchins with boss Snikrot in reserve.

Those objectives are mine...

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Maybe a metric ton of Daemonettes/Seekers?

That would be hilarious. 33 Daemonettes sprinting across the board. With his wraithcannons the knight kills, on average, 0,81 'nettes each turn.

Or wait, how many option B) freakshow. Go dark Eldar armor of misery WWP blasterborn. Use Mask on the SS, go for the LD6 psychic shriek.


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Also is anyone else thinking this is the most slowed tournament setup ever? What tournament allows frickin unbound? Or doesn't even do combat patrol or AV/T restrictions at 300 points?


Waitwaitwait.


Flyers.


Vendettas and Valkyries! Maybe one of each with some mooks inside!

the_scotsman wrote:
Or wait, how many option B) freakshow. Go dark Eldar armor of misery WWP blasterborn. Use Mask on the SS, go for the LD6 psychic shriek.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also is anyone else thinking this is the most slowed tournament setup ever? What tournament allows frickin unbound? Or doesn't even do combat patrol or AV/T restrictions at 300 points?


Waitwaitwait.


Flyers.


Vendettas and Valkyries! Maybe one of each with some mooks inside!

FMC's work.

Flyers won't, you'll be tabled turn one.

Do Dakka flyrants get rending? What's the brainleech do again? Now there's an all-rounder that could beat a WK.

the_scotsman wrote:
Do Dakka flyrants get rending? What's the brainleech do again? Now there's an all-rounder that could beat a WK.

They are S6 AP-. On average doing .37 wounds.
This would probably be the only time I wouldn't recommend a Flyrant (or Tyranids in general for this tournament, super tight with points).

 Frozocrone wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Or wait, how many option B) freakshow. Go dark Eldar armor of misery WWP blasterborn. Use Mask on the SS, go for the LD6 psychic shriek.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also is anyone else thinking this is the most slowed tournament setup ever? What tournament allows frickin unbound? Or doesn't even do combat patrol or AV/T restrictions at 300 points?


Waitwaitwait.


Flyers.


Vendettas and Valkyries! Maybe one of each with some mooks inside!

FMC's work.

Flyers won't, you'll be tabled turn one.

Not if you're playing with a heroes path of harlies with 2+ cover...

 Frozocrone wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Or wait, how many option B) freakshow. Go dark Eldar armor of misery WWP blasterborn. Use Mask on the SS, go for the LD6 psychic shriek.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also is anyone else thinking this is the most slowed tournament setup ever? What tournament allows frickin unbound? Or doesn't even do combat patrol or AV/T restrictions at 300 points?


Waitwaitwait.


Flyers.


Vendettas and Valkyries! Maybe one of each with some mooks inside!

FMC's work.

Flyers won't, you'll be tabled turn one.

You only need one unit on the board though, and your partner can take care of that. 6 Ranger, 5 Rangers, Hemlock Wraithfighter + Crimson Hunter, Crimson Hunter Exarch? Would be absolutely hilarious to face two Wraithknights with that, and if you run into an opponent who has flyers of his own, try to go second and then hit him with the best superiority fighter in the game. Funnily enough Hemlocks work against Flyrants as well.