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 Vineheart01 wrote:
I think pretty much everyone is going to kitbash the hell out of it lol.

I intend to give it arms, depending on the price of the model i'll either buy a riptide and modify it or buy the normal model and ebay some riptide arms. Rather than the Broadside fistbump rocket treatment im going to do the same thing i did for them: BFG OF ROCKETS!

Basically, i am going to turn it into a larger one of these:

Spoiler:

I'm currently looking at the Destroid Phalanx as a good proxy/scratch build core for the Stormsurge.


Edit:
BoLS has some clear french scans of the Stormsurge.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/09/breaking-wd-leaked-more-tau-pics-spotted.html

AP5 at 20-30" on the D shotgun isn't that nice.

Or if you could find a Wolf Bronski toy, that should be about the right size.

HAHA $150 bucks for a single suit? I think I will simply double it and buy the FW model. More bang for the buck. With that price point I don't think we will see too many of them on the average table top. Its an ugly suit too. For about $50 less I can see it, but I have enough to paint anyway. So since this came out in the white dwarf does that mean the dex will be on the shelf this weekend?

 pretre wrote:

 Atia wrote:
i can see something new here

Is that the rumored Aegis?

Looks like it. Is that also the rumoured crisis suit?? I don't know the tau range very well so could be wrong.

Col. Dash wrote:
HAHA $150 bucks for a single suit? I think I will simply double it and buy the FW model. More bang for the buck. With that price point I don't think we will see too many of them on the average table top. Its an ugly suit too. For about $50 less I can see it, but I have enough to paint anyway.

Ehhh...
The KX139 from FW is 250 GBP for the body and weapons.
If they cease to offer the bundle for 250 GBP, you are looking at 130 GBP for the body, 60 GBP for the Pulse Ordnance Multi-Driver(the backmounted weapon), and 30 GBP per Tri-Axis Ion Cannon(the arm mounts). Additionally that pricing will likely extend to the options that they have talked about giving it(including one which has been sighted of it having Fusion weapons for the arm mounts)--and it does not include the price of what almost assuredly will be the location for the rules in the next Imperial Armour book which is slated to be Mechanicus v. Tau.

Currency conversion, as of now, puts you at $379 for a KX139 via FW's "bundle"(which actually seems to come out a dollar or two HIGHER than the individual components)--and that's for a single LOW slot.

For $300 you can get two Stormsurges and field them as a single LOW.

So since this came out in the white dwarf does that mean the dex will be on the shelf this weekend?

...No?

Generally, Codex releases are a few weeks in.
So far we know the following schedule:
October 3rd preorder for Stormsurge
October 10th release for Stormsurge, preorder for Ghostkeel.
October 17th release for Ghostkeel, preorder for ????

For a little more you can get a Ta'unar. This things getting worse all the time. Now in the clear images we know the pulse shotgun is AP 5 at its longest range and not even 3.

This suits starting to fall below mediocre pretty quickly.

The bundle for the Forge World suit is the exact same price as buying the body and weapons separately.


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 Gamgee wrote:
For a little more you can get a Ta'unar. This things getting worse all the time. Now in the clear images we know the pulse shotgun is AP 5 at its longest range and not even 3.

This suits starting to fall below mediocre pretty quickly.

By 'for a little more' you mean over double the price coastwise and almost double the points right?

 ImAGeek wrote:
The bundle for the Forge World suit is the exact same price as buying the body and weapons separately.


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 Gamgee wrote:
For a little more you can get a Ta'unar. This things getting worse all the time. Now in the clear images we know the pulse shotgun is AP 5 at its longest range and not even 3.

This suits starting to fall below mediocre pretty quickly.

By 'for a little more' you mean over double the price coastwise and almost double the points right?

i agree with him... If you factor in the fact that you can take units of three of these (Good old money grabbing GW), the option of two stormsurges or one Tau'nar I think is pretty obvious. Plus on aesthetics alone I'd get the FW suit, that thing is gorgeous...

 ImAGeek wrote:
The bundle for the Forge World suit is the exact same price as buying the body and weapons separately.

Maybe in GBP, but currency conversion actually had them slightly different as of the time I posted that.
$90.9492 for the Pulse Ordnance Multi-Driver, another $90.9492 for the pair of Tri-Axis Ion Cannon, and $197.042 for the main body.
That comes out to $378.9404 for individual components.
You're looking at $378.902 for the "bundle".

When I made my post, however, it was showing $379 for the bundle while the individual components totaled out at $377.

Additionally, if you're in a state that GW has a shop in they now collect sales tax because of the way a lot of ecommerce laws have been worded so if you have a physical presence a company collects sales tax(for example, Amazon collects sales tax in my state because they have a warehouse).

If i had to pick between a squad of 2 Stormsurges (even kitbashed to have a proper damn gun and not stubs) or a Ta'unar, i'd much MUCH rather the Ta'unar because 1) the model is just sooooo sexy looking and 2) massive str d template at table range.....

Yes, speaking from maximum value per cost perspective, the duo stormsurges would be better because thats 16 wounds as oppose to 10 and while theyre not T9 theyre still T6, which is tough enough to make those extra wounds better than less wounds with more durability. Not by much imho though.

So look at the left side of the stormsurge there you can see the new Tau fortification!

Stormsurge is a mediocre model with mediocre rules and price. Honestly, I would have preferred a quad-walker, or at least some arms. The Tau'nar, on the other hand, is good looking and worth it's points.

For $150 I think I'd rather just buy more crisis suits.

 Sidstyler wrote:
For $150 I think I'd rather just buy more crisis suits.

ding ding ding, we have a winner. Or some of the new firewarriors. Or a new video card. Or a new tablet. Or a roundtrip flight to many locations. Or. Or. Or.

Yeah, it's a pretty model but it's not $150 pretty.

 agnosto wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
For $150 I think I'd rather just buy more crisis suits.

ding ding ding, we have a winner. Or some of the new firewarriors. Or a new video card. Or a new tablet. Or a roundtrip flight to many locations. Or. Or. Or.

Yeah, it's a pretty model but it's not $150 pretty.

This is why I advocate using Bandai 1/100 Gundam or 1/100 Macross Destroid kits for Tau giant robots. Their prices are between $60-$20 for a 7" model, perfect for conversions.

 Nilok wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
For $150 I think I'd rather just buy more crisis suits.

ding ding ding, we have a winner. Or some of the new firewarriors. Or a new video card. Or a new tablet. Or a roundtrip flight to many locations. Or. Or. Or.

Yeah, it's a pretty model but it's not $150 pretty.

This is why I advocate using Bandai 1/100 Gundam or 1/100 Macross Destroid kits for Tau giant robots. Their prices are between $60-$20 for a 7" model, perfect for conversions.

I'd absolutely love to see a MG 1/100 Heavy Arms Custom with some Tau flair on the table. If you swapped out the gatling guns for some Tau pulse/ion weaponry it seems like a perfect fit for the Stormsurge.

What worries me is the size and price. In an earlier pic from last week, it said the new suit is riptide sized (but obviously a bit bulkier). Other lords of war kits are MUCH bigger for the same or cheaper. If there isn't a very big difference in both bulk and height between the stormsurge and riptide, the relative value of the kit is crap (and that isn't taking into account the value compared with other companies' offering).

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

This is why I advocate using Bandai 1/100 Gundam or 1/100 Macross Destroid kits for Tau giant robots. Their prices are between $60-$20 for a 7" model, perfect for conversions.

I'd absolutely love to see a MG 1/100 Heavy Arms Custom with some Tau flair on the table. If you swapped out the gatling guns for some Tau pulse/ion weaponry it seems like a perfect fit for the Stormsurge.

I would suggest the MG Heavy Arms Ver. Ka
It is built on the MG Heavy Arms Custom body, but is designed after the original Heavy Arms with a much more intimidating gatling gun.


Though I do wish they released the Igel weapons pack for it just to turn the missile spam up to 12.

Stay on topic folks I want to read about the new Tau stuff not conversions or tree crabs or other random topics. Thanks.

Waiting on codex leak at this point, really.

I got a feeling our codex is going to be a mess with the crappy rules they put in the limpstorm.

What is a limpstorm?

Stormsurge doesn't deserve its name. Limpstorm. Little MLE. Mediocre. Ect. My little nicknames for it. I call it little MLE because it reminds me of the french designed 1897 MLE "artillery" of WW1 fame/infamy. Before WW1 broke out they insisted heavy artillery and weapons were useless for the mobile combat they would fight so they in theory designed the perfect field gun of rapid fire anti infantry. If the wars were fought like Napoleon had it would be a very good gun, but as it is it turned out to be very crappy for the conditions that soon followed the outbreak of WW1. It's shells were often not strong enough to get to the troops in the bunkers and just contributed heavily to making no mans land a pile of muck and it shot up the ground. Not only that but it had limited traversal and was a direct fire weapon so it couldn't fire like a typical artillery could in an arc. The French had ordered so many of them they had no choice but to try and use them and fire massive artillery barrages that had little effect due to how light the rounds being fired were. Propaganda tried to spin how the war was being won by them, but we all know how well it turned out after the fact.

This reminds me of the very same thing. It was all sold up before coming out as some amazing artillery piece and anti-tank gun. Now some people have proxied it and it dies fast, and doesn't contribute much in the way of firepower or points efficient. It's a joke. Now if the fighting conditions are absolutely perfect like this thing was designed for it will do its job well, but that's a big if. When has any game ever gone perfectly?

So it's little MLE to me. They even tried to mount the damn gun on tanks as an anti-tank gun and it was useless there as well. So it'll be little MLE for me. Or limpstorm depending on my mood.

Okay, so the new Stormsurge isn't the Great White Hope of Tau players everywhere. You know what else isn't? The new codex, because we don't know anything about it yet other than the fact that it will contain the Stormsurge and some nice new pictures of the new infantry and battlesuits. In short, wait until we get rules spoilered for us from reliable sources before saying the unit is garbage. For all we know is has just as broken an equipment selection as the current Riptide.

Unless it gets three support systems for free, it will still be mediocre at best.

Those systems could even cost more for this thing as opposed to being free. I'm being as pessimistic as possible here since these stats are so poor.

Also the Stormsurge is fairly priced.

According to Lythrandire Biehrellian's vehicle/mc design rules, the Stormsurge (not including the cluster missiles and pulseweapon) is 321 points (I used the cost of hunterkiller missiles for the destroyers)

39 points seems fair the the cluster missiles and pulse shotgun.

But I forgot, something has to be OP to the max for it to be good...

And the only way the upgrades will cost more for this thing is if they make the costs super crazy for every other unit as they purchase from the general Support Systems list, not some new one that's only for it.

Riptide pays more for some upgrades and can't take some. It's not unprecedented this thing could be hamstrung further by poor options and/or expensive upgrades.

Like how the stim injectors were the same for Riptides as everything else? I understand that you think this thing is the bees knees, but a lot of people don't. And don't try to claim that everything will be the same cost, because YOU DON'T KNOW.

There's also no idea of how the army, detachment and formation special rules will affect the Storm Surge.