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i just cant justify the Railguns anymore. It makes no sense that something 3x as big as a Lascannon is actually weaker. Extra range doesnt really count since 48" is still table-long in just about every scenario. i'd say 80% of the time an Iontide kills their targets much easier, with the other 20% being multiwounded T5/6 things.
If the Railguns were Heavy 2 or S9, i'd still field them. The AP1 means jack squat since i kill everything it reliably pens through sheer weight of fire anyway.

Heres to hoping the Broadsides get a buff in the new codex , the HRR is pretty lackluster in their current form, my squad of deathrains with buffmander is way more effective. Just to few shots to take out anything, their only advantage is their range, but so many time I had them fail, either they still miss, or the target has invul/cover saves (out of range of markerlights so no support) or the str is just no longer enough to reliably pen (even against trukks ).

Preaching to the choir here, I think the HRR sucks. I just modeled them with it because of how cool it looks. I play them as HYMP.

Gotcha.

Thats why i hacked off the barrels and replaced them with the rockets on their fists lol. Now they got a huge gun + obviously use missiles. Wasnt that hard of a conversion either since ironically once i hacked off one side of their fistbump rockets to bring them into one bundle and the railgun barrel, it sat on what was left just perfectly lol. Only greenstuff i put in were to patch a couple holes from sloppy cuts and the gap between the two halves at the front

Linked it earlier but i wont make you fetch if you wanna know what i mean:


Oddly enough, the main Railgun i want in our codex is Railrifles but i DONT want them on friggen pathfinders. I seriously, SERIOUSLY hope our Shas'ui in the firewarrior squads can buy those pathfinder toys. Heck that maybe the perk of the "new" firewarriors is more gun options at a steeper cost than usual. I use hammerheads more because the model is badass and its useful enough to not be worthless by any means, but if im being serious i leave it at home. Oh, im rarely serious when i play 40k lol its more fun to be goofy and bring a variety of stuff.
Railrifles are literally improved Plasma Rifles lol. Balancewise i can understand why the suits dont get access to it since its in every way shape and form better than Plasmas, but fluffwise i dont get why they dont have it. But since its already a footsoldier gun...give it to my damn firewarriors!!!

If they gave the railhead and rail broadsides something to buff their railguns that would go a long way towards fixing their deficiencies vs other options. Lance would probably do it.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Gotcha.

Thats why i hacked off the barrels and replaced them with the rockets on their fists lol. Now they got a huge gun + obviously use missiles. Wasnt that hard of a conversion either since ironically once i hacked off one side of their fistbump rockets to bring them into one bundle and the railgun barrel, it sat on what was left just perfectly lol. Only greenstuff i put in were to patch a couple holes from sloppy cuts and the gap between the two halves at the front

Linked it earlier but i wont make you fetch if you wanna know what i mean:

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Oddly enough, the main Railgun i want in our codex is Railrifles but i DONT want them on friggen pathfinders. I seriously, SERIOUSLY hope our Shas'ui in the firewarrior squads can buy those pathfinder toys. Heck that maybe the perk of the "new" firewarriors is more gun options at a steeper cost than usual. I use hammerheads more because the model is badass and its useful enough to not be worthless by any means, but if im being serious i leave it at home. Oh, im rarely serious when i play 40k lol its more fun to be goofy and bring a variety of stuff.
Railrifles are literally improved Plasma Rifles lol. Balancewise i can understand why the suits dont get access to it since its in every way shape and form better than Plasmas, but fluffwise i dont get why they dont have it. But since its already a footsoldier gun...give it to my damn firewarriors!!!

I like it. reminds me a lot of the old WW2 british grenades they would fire from their rifle.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i just cant justify the Railguns anymore. It makes no sense that something 3x as big as a Lascannon is actually weaker. Extra range doesnt really count since 48" is still table-long in just about every scenario. i'd say 80% of the time an Iontide kills their targets much easier, with the other 20% being multiwounded T5/6 things.
If the Railguns were Heavy 2 or S9, i'd still field them. The AP1 means jack squat since i kill everything it reliably pens through sheer weight of fire anyway.

Tau suck at miniaturization. All of their tech is bigger than Imperial or Eldar equivalents. This is so consistent across the range that it has to be a conscious design choice.

Someone read the WD issue and is claiming this thing is an open topped vehicle or has some rule similar to it on Warseer.

Take this with some salt since we've seen pictures of this things rules all over the place with Gargantuan Creature in it. He also mentioned having issues viewing the copy of WD.

Still thought it worth mentioning this is the rumors. I'm personally calling BS until we get more substantiated information.

If it did though? Lol.

Doesn't make sense as it obviously doesn't have an AV value; the Toughness value in the leaks is obvious even in the most blurry pics.

thats not rumors, thats someone just making gak up and doing a really bad job of it.

Ive been slowly selling off most of my remaining 40k stuff, including my Tau, in anticipation of restarting the game with this new codex. Thinking about it, depending on what they do with the rules (specifically in regards to Broadsides and Hammerheads), I might just cut my losses and walk away entirely.

People will make gak up that makes a unit the absolute worst thing in the game when they dont get to use it. Thats why i avoid tournies because you find a lot of people that try to make rules up or dodge them/nitpick them to win rather than actually play.

Considering they mention its not a "battlesuit" i could see it being a walker instead of gmc, but even fuzzy picture its pretty damn obvious its not a vehicle. Idiots be idiots.

No offense, but instead of immediately flaming the user on Warseer with only the info from Gamgee, i went to warseer to check the new info out. The user who posted it is quite clear in that it is about how the model looks.
In his first sentence he indeed says it's an open-topped vehicle, but after that he explains it's about the looks.

And lo and behold: a few minutes after that these pictures emerge, proving him right
http://www.gamestrust.de/bilder,list1263,1,warhammer-40-000-sternenreich-tau.html

so yeah, there is no "gak" here...

p.s. i love the pilot-and-gunner combo. It gives the suit a more support-y vibe like true artillery should have.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Thats why i avoid tournies because you find a lot of people that try to make rules up or dodge them/nitpick them to win rather than actually play.

Yes. Of course they do, of course they do. Damn those tournies players.

From the pics in that link, it does appear to get a shield generator of some kind on the left "shoulder".




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That is unexpected. I guess that explains why it's a 3+ instead of a 2+.

eskeblaf wrote:
No offense, but instead of immediately flaming the user on Warseer with only the info from Gamgee, i went to warseer to check the new info out. The user who posted it is quite clear in that it is about how the model looks.
In his first sentence he indeed says it's an open-topped vehicle, but after that he explains it's about the looks.

And lo and behold: a few minutes after that these pictures emerge, proving him right
http://www.gamestrust.de/bilder,list1263,1,warhammer-40-000-sternenreich-tau.html

so yeah, there is no "gak" here...

p.s. i love the pilot-and-gunner combo. It gives the suit a more support-y vibe like true artillery should have.

Work blocked - anyone post it?

Well, I bought one of the newer Broadsides and Riptide because they were so cool looking so I guess I'll have to get one of these too. Just when I thought this year was going to be so easy on my wallet GW goes and does something like this.

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img0024hx0vf7crds.jpg

Looks like a codex picture, and it can take suit systems

That seems like bad design...

 Forcast wrote:
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img0024hx0vf7crds.jpg

Looks like a codex picture, and it can take suit systems

Codex pictures don't say "WHITE DWARF" at the bottom.

It's just a clear, non-blurry photo of the French White Dwarf. We've known it can take Support Systems since Monday when the blurry English photos showed up.

 Forcast wrote:
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img0024hx0vf7crds.jpg

Looks like a codex picture, and it can take suit systems

No, it says white dwarf at the bottom.

Oh so the debate is over what restrictions there are on systems like the riptide?

I like the two pilot look. Inspired by Pacific Rim? Time for me to convert in a Mako Mori model

I'm not a fan of the open topped look. I realize the pirahna is but it just doesn't look right to me on a big giant Tau robot. It's too Dust.

Co'tor Shas wrote:That seems like bad design...

Its better than the artillery fielded by Marines, Eldar and Orks.

crazyK wrote:I like the two pilot look. Inspired by Pacific Rim? Time for me to convert in a Mako Mori model

Are either of those actually the pilot? There could be another Tau inside the suit piloting it and those are just the gunner and artillery commander.

according to the German text next to the picture, the suit has a crew of 2: mostly graduates of the ballistic Suit Academy, although some are shas'vre (like the one without helmet) who have great experience with suit- and/or tank-warfare.
the set contains 4 heads for the crew: 2 with helmet and 2 without. the big "head" of the suit itself (called targeting array in the text) has 3 options to choose from.

the 4th point describes how the front of the body has been designed to be glued in after painting the crew compartment.

the first two text bits just describe the shoulder weapons.

 Ghaz wrote:

Co'tor Shas wrote:That seems like bad design...

Its better than the artillery fielded by Marines, Eldar and Orks.

crazyK wrote:I like the two pilot look. Inspired by Pacific Rim? Time for me to convert in a Mako Mori model

Are either of those actually the pilot? There could be another Tau inside the suit piloting it and those are just the gunner and artillery commander.

By your command....


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(It does look like a crisis suit attached itself to the larger suit though....)

We're talking about Tau, not Necrons.

 Ghaz wrote:
We're talking about Tau, not Necrons.

I know, but the two tau, with a crisis head behind, reminded me of the old BSG three pilot system.

I quite like the open topped design. Detail wise it's really cool, I just don't like the way it's posed.