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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 07:38:00
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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$250? LOL!
Go home GW. You're drunk.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 09:31:53
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Oddly enough it does look kinda good from the back side. I kinda hate everything else about it, though.
Anyway, is the suit seriously meant to have an open cockpit like that? It looks like it might possibly be designed to have a removable lid just to show the detail like some of FW's titans, but the WD doesn't actually make it clear one way or the other and most of the pics are taken at such an angle that you can't really tell. I seriously hope that isn't meant to be open because that's probably the stupidest possible thing you could have done, second only to giving Tau titan-sized suits in the first place, in my opinion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 10:28:12
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Skillful Swordmaster
The Shadowlands of Nagarythe
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"Sir.. we just took out those new Xenos walkers"
"How, private, how???"
"We... we dropped some rocks on them"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 11:18:03
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Other than the open-topped issues, the Stormsurge seems to be controlled with buttons. That really doesn't seem to make much sense for Battlesuits. I thought the point of them was they are linked to the pilot and become like an extension of the wearer, which is why they can be so mobile and aren't walkers. That sort of control doesn't seem possible with buttons.
Having multiple crew doesn't fit too well either considering they have AI that could do the same job. Doesn't the Riptide have a crew of 1 and so do the large Forgeworld battlesuits?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 11:31:21
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Mentlegen324 wrote:Other than the open-topped issues, the Stormsurge seems to be controlled with buttons. That really doesn't seem to make much sense for Battlesuits. I thought the point of them was they are linked to the pilot and become like an extension of the wearer, which is why they can be so mobile and aren't walkers. That sort of control doesn't seem possible with buttons.
Having multiple crew doesn't fit too well either considering they have AI that could do the same job. Doesn't the Riptide have a crew of 1 and so do the large Forgeworld battlesuits?
Is it really the entire crew? I thought those two guys control the weapon systems, and there's one more dude inside who's controlling the movement, giving orders and stuff. If there's only two crewmen inside, what is that head for?
cheers
Kahnawake
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 11:36:37
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Kahnawake wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:Other than the open-topped issues, the Stormsurge seems to be controlled with buttons. That really doesn't seem to make much sense for Battlesuits. I thought the point of them was they are linked to the pilot and become like an extension of the wearer, which is why they can be so mobile and aren't walkers. That sort of control doesn't seem possible with buttons.
Having multiple crew doesn't fit too well either considering they have AI that could do the same job. Doesn't the Riptide have a crew of 1 and so do the large Forgeworld battlesuits?
Is it really the entire crew? I thought those two guys control the weapon systems, and there's one more dude inside who's controlling the movement, giving orders and stuff. If there's only two crewmen inside, what is that head for?
cheers
Kahnawake
Yeah, but why does it need someone to control the weapon systems? Isn't a suit just a big suit of powered armor?
It would make more sense if it were a vehicle.
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Peace through power!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 11:39:17
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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The head is a targeting array.
I'm guessing GW believes they'll get away with it being controlled by buttons because Rule Of Cool and that is "isn't a Battles Suit, its a Ballistic Suit! Totes different guys."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 11:44:40
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Hi !
WD pictures that leaked leaks show how out of place the stormsurge is. An open topped suit with two crewman, controlling the behamoth with buttons and tiny sceens. LOL.
Rule-wise it should have been treated as a super-heavy walker vehicle. Being gargantuan creature makes no sense.
Anyway, here are some sharper pictures of the rules than in OP, from the french WD :
As we can see, the pulse cannon blaster has an AP that drops fast with the distance. The four destroyer missiles (single use) do not seem to have any special rules. they have a convenient 60" range though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 11:50:20
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Bane Lord Tartar Sauce
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I'm more curious about the Ghostkeel than the Stormsurge at this point. The SS is gonna rock once you bump it up to about 400 points with its upgrades, and it'll probably kill its points' worth in most games, but the GK might have some really nasty tricks up its sleeve that give you the intangible edge that wins the game.
New Fire Warriors are like 3 codices overdue at this point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 11:54:20
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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I also can't wait for the Ghostkeel reveal. I'm hoping it won't be that expensive though!
@Ravajaxe, thanks for the sharper photos. Anyone got better photos of those new FW's? That small glimpse they gave us with the Ghostkeel left me with mixed feelings, I think I like the old sculpts more! I'm still curious though.
cheers
Kahnawake
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 12:19:11
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Sidstyler wrote:
Oddly enough it does look kinda good from the back side. I kinda hate everything else about it, though.
Anyway, is the suit seriously meant to have an open cockpit like that? It looks like it might possibly be designed to have a removable lid just to show the detail like some of FW's titans, but the WD doesn't actually make it clear one way or the other and most of the pics are taken at such an angle that you can't really tell. I seriously hope that isn't meant to be open because that's probably the stupidest possible thing you could have done, second only to giving Tau titan-sized suits in the first place, in my opinion.
It seems to be open topped.
If you look at all the photos of it, you can look at the Devilfish looking part and see a kind of half-circle on that and the part immediately next to it. In all the shots of it that half-circle is never completed like one would assume any canopy would do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 12:57:21
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Mentlegen324 wrote:Other than the open-topped issues, the Stormsurge seems to be controlled with buttons. That really doesn't seem to make much sense for Battlesuits. I thought the point of them was they are linked to the pilot and become like an extension of the wearer, which is why they can be so mobile and aren't walkers. That sort of control doesn't seem possible with buttons.
Having multiple crew doesn't fit too well either considering they have AI that could do the same job. Doesn't the Riptide have a crew of 1 and so do the large Forgeworld battlesuits?
It's not a battle suit in the sense that a Crisis Suit or Riptide is, where it just has one pilot and is basically a huge suit of power armour, it's more like a vehicle with a crew, like Imperial Titans are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 12:57:22
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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While I'll admit that the exposed crew is very impractical, I gotta say I really like this model. I think more than anything I really like the shapes on it. I dunno, it just appeals to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 13:00:52
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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ImAGeek wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:Other than the open-topped issues, the Stormsurge seems to be controlled with buttons. That really doesn't seem to make much sense for Battlesuits. I thought the point of them was they are linked to the pilot and become like an extension of the wearer, which is why they can be so mobile and aren't walkers. That sort of control doesn't seem possible with buttons.
Having multiple crew doesn't fit too well either considering they have AI that could do the same job. Doesn't the Riptide have a crew of 1 and so do the large Forgeworld battlesuits?
It's not a battle suit in the sense that a Crisis Suit or Riptide is, where it just has one pilot and is basically a huge suit of power armour, it's more like a vehicle with a crew, like Imperial Titans are.
So why not make it a vehicle?
If its that radically different it shouldn't follow that convention.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 13:15:53
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Wow, GW, really selling the illusion that this thing is a GC with the pilots riding on top like a vehicle...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 13:17:30
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Moscow, Russia
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That technologically advanced societies see physical protection as primitive is an old sci-fi trope. Because energy fields are better.
In fact, in most cases, in game terms, the Necron transport has the benefits of an open-topped vehicle while having the same AV as a solid tank.
As for critters vs. walkers, in terms of rules rather than words, what it boils down to is generally not whether something is literally a creature or literally a vehicle (which is irrelevant) but whether or not the thing is subject to penetrating hits, the melta rule/armourbane, and so forth. Mainly, is the thing subject to gradual impairment caused by damage,
This can in general be rationalized away,I think, by saying that Tau suits and Dreadknights are sophisticated enough that they have numerous backup systems, meaning that they are not subject to incremental damage, for instance. Not that they function like a creature. Real creatures don't function like 40K ones either, because they become injured and are nor either fully functional or out of action.
It is totally irrelevant whether or not something that is actually a little hunk of plastic is supposed to represent a machine or a living thing -- what matters is how it interacts with specific rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 13:20:30
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As a superheavy walker (if you are wanting it to be at about the same points) it would be 12/12/11 open topped with 9 hullpoints.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 13:38:59
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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so which gundum kit do i need to buy to give this guy arms? then it can hold that rifle and the missiles can go on the shoulders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 13:43:46
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:As a superheavy walker (if you are wanting it to be at about the same points) it would be 12/12/11 open topped with 9 hullpoints. AV 12 being the equivalent of T8, so this could not be the case. To convert it to a walker vehicle would need a whole recalculation of its profile. Bumping it up from T6 to AV 11 or 12 would need to alter HP, plus taking into consideration the absence of armour save on vehicles. So it is not an easy task. And as I feared, Games Workshop just took the lazy & easy way : treat it as a creature.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 13:47:34
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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bossfearless wrote:I'm more curious about the Ghostkeel than the Stormsurge at this point. The SS is gonna rock once you bump it up to about 400 points with its upgrades, and it'll probably kill its points' worth in most games, but the GK might have some really nasty tricks up its sleeve that give you the intangible edge that wins the game. New Fire Warriors are like 3 codices overdue at this point. Sorry I can't hear your complaining over the Adepta Sororitas kits who are in dire need of a reboot across the board...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0013/08/03 14:05:39
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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Kahnawake wrote:I also can't wait for the Ghostkeel reveal. I'm hoping it won't be that expensive though!
cheers
Kahnawake
Agreed - any word on what slot the Ghostkeel might actually take? It looks to be the same kit as Riptide with probably a different sprue for head/weapon options.
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 14:07:02
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Supposedly the Ghostkeel is an HQ choice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 14:12:27
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Matt.Kingsley wrote:The head is a targeting array.
I'm guessing GW believes they'll get away with it being controlled by buttons because Rule Of Cool and that is "isn't a Battles Suit, its a Ballistic Suit! Totes different guys."
Well, it has two 'heads'. Theres also what looks to be a hatch on the back, which is what I assumed a crewmember would climb in through (until I saw it was open topped)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 14:17:12
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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chaos0xomega wrote: Matt.Kingsley wrote:The head is a targeting array.
I'm guessing GW believes they'll get away with it being controlled by buttons because Rule Of Cool and that is "isn't a Battles Suit, its a Ballistic Suit! Totes different guys."
Well, it has two 'heads'. Theres also what looks to be a hatch on the back, which is what I assumed a crewmember would climb in through (until I saw it was open topped)
Yeah, the 'hatch' is the reactor apparently.
I like the fact that they finally put to rest the argument about "Is the Fire Warrior inside of a suit putting his head inside of the Suit head?". It's like the remote weapon systems we have today on armored vehicles. It having two separate ones doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but maybe one is dedicated for the Pulse cannon mount and the other is for the rest?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 14:24:06
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Abel
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I was kinda looking forward to this thing until I saw the price. Now, I'm reconsidering. Might try and pick up one on eBay in a couple months, or pursue other options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 15:51:27
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Uriels_Flame wrote: Kahnawake wrote:I also can't wait for the Ghostkeel reveal. I'm hoping it won't be that expensive though!
cheers
Kahnawake
Agreed - any word on what slot the Ghostkeel might actually take? It looks to be the same kit as Riptide with probably a different sprue for head/weapon options.
It's a XV9 scale suit, won't be as big as a Riptide.
Prolly about £40 per model I'd think. Hope it isn't an HQ honestly: Then I'd only be able to take one in my current list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 16:04:41
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Uriels_Flame wrote: Kahnawake wrote:I also can't wait for the Ghostkeel reveal. I'm hoping it won't be that expensive though!
cheers
Kahnawake
Agreed - any word on what slot the Ghostkeel might actually take? It looks to be the same kit as Riptide with probably a different sprue for head/weapon options.
It's smaller than the Riptide, and even if it was the same size there looks to be no parts in common at all. It's definitely a whole new kit with no shared sprues with the Riptide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 16:05:09
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Big Mek in Kustom Dragster with Soopa-Gun
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Ghostkeel is clearly shorter than a Riptide, somewhere between Broadside and Riptide in size by my guess. Probably be a T5 MC with 3+ armor (2+ armor kinda doesnt make sense if its going to have Stealth and Shrouded like the Stealth Suits have, which its clearly meant to be a bigger brother for) Going to be a bit sad if its an HQ because you know its going to be a named HQ if it is and thus have 0 options. And Tau's named HQs have a bad habit of only being good in a very few situations, and trash in the rest. Quite frankly i want Stealth Suits to be FA as it is, so i'd also hope this thing is FA. Our FA is really barren of useful units lol Though i admit, part of me wants fluff for this thing about it being a new Shadowsun model lol. She got tired of fearing heavy arms so she ordered a new suit lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 16:07:20
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Zognob Gorgoff wrote:so which gundum kit do i need to buy to give this guy arms? then it can hold that rifle and the missiles can go on the shoulders.
Funny you should mention that. I had just recently bought a Gundam Heavy Arms model, and I would dare to say it makes a decent stand-in at $35 US.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 16:09:01
Subject: Tau Rumors: New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? P13 for Pics. P37 for Stormsurge rules
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Vineheart01 wrote:Ghostkeel is clearly shorter than a Riptide, somewhere between Broadside and Riptide in size by my guess.
Going to be a bit sad if its an HQ because you know its going to be a named HQ if it is and thus have 0 options. And Tau's named HQs have a bad habit of only being good in a very few situations, and trash in the rest. Quite frankly i want Stealth Suits to be FA as it is, so i'd also hope this thing is FA. Our FA is really barren of useful units lol
Though i admit, part of me wants fluff for this thing about it being a new Shadowsun model lol. She got tired of fearing heavy arms so she ordered a new suit lol
Why will it be a named HQ..?
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