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 ImAGeek wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Ghostkeel is clearly shorter than a Riptide, somewhere between Broadside and Riptide in size by my guess.

Going to be a bit sad if its an HQ because you know its going to be a named HQ if it is and thus have 0 options. And Tau's named HQs have a bad habit of only being good in a very few situations, and trash in the rest. Quite frankly i want Stealth Suits to be FA as it is, so i'd also hope this thing is FA. Our FA is really barren of useful units lol

Though i admit, part of me wants fluff for this thing about it being a new Shadowsun model lol. She got tired of fearing heavy arms so she ordered a new suit lol

Why will it be a named HQ..?

Two reasons governing this:
Crisis suits are the only suit we have HQ's for that isnt named right now. I'd love the other suits to open up for noname, customizable HQs but i dont see it happening.
Far as i know, nobody has gotten a new HQ except in named form for awhile. Could be wrong about this though. Painboy for orks doesnt count since that was moved to HQ to let it buff any unit not just nobz.

So, looking at GW's naming conventions for these suits, we have the Riptide and Stormsurge. Would that mean the next larger iteration (probably by FW) will be named the tsunami?

Tidalwave more likely, since Tsunami is Japanese.

There goes yet another crisis suit Bigfooting it in the background, soaking in all that partial visibility


I WANT TO BELEIVE

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
so which gundum kit do i need to buy to give this guy arms? then it can hold that rifle and the missiles can go on the shoulders.

Clearly this guy

 Stormonu wrote:
So, looking at GW's naming conventions for these suits, we have the Riptide and Stormsurge. Would that mean the next larger iteration (probably by FW) will be named the tsunami?

XV149 "Hurricane" Battle Suit lol

Comes close to 2ft tall and houses four Heavy Railguns that are individually manned by a Tau gunner behind each gun in the complete wide open!

 Vineheart01 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Ghostkeel is clearly shorter than a Riptide, somewhere between Broadside and Riptide in size by my guess.

Going to be a bit sad if its an HQ because you know its going to be a named HQ if it is and thus have 0 options. And Tau's named HQs have a bad habit of only being good in a very few situations, and trash in the rest. Quite frankly i want Stealth Suits to be FA as it is, so i'd also hope this thing is FA. Our FA is really barren of useful units lol

Though i admit, part of me wants fluff for this thing about it being a new Shadowsun model lol. She got tired of fearing heavy arms so she ordered a new suit lol

Why will it be a named HQ..?

Two reasons governing this:
Crisis suits are the only suit we have HQ's for that isnt named right now. I'd love the other suits to open up for noname, customizable HQs but i dont see it happening.
Far as i know, nobody has gotten a new HQ except in named form for awhile. Could be wrong about this though. Painboy for orks doesnt count since that was moved to HQ to let it buff any unit not just nobz.

Yeah, for the same reason I'm hoping it ends up in Fast Attack. I can't imagine they'd advertise it as the XV95 Ghostkeel and then give it another name and throw it in HQ.

What if it builds two suits? XV95 Ghostkeel and XV96 Command Suit?

Personally I'm surprised the Stormsurge isn't a dual kit, with a different weapon option (like moar/larger missile racks) it could also pull double-duty as an air-defense suit. Its a bit rare for GW to only have one unit entry buildable by such a large kit these days.

It is kinda odd now that you mention it. Especially since its fluff mentioned anti-titan gear. Kinda expected its giant missilepods to be swappable to either straight up Heavy Railguns (strD) or something not quite that powerful where it has ~50-50 odds to be StrD or S10.

Betcha anything FW will put out alternate "arm" weapons eventually. Thats one advantage of the position theyre in, its not that hard to magnetize so it can be swapped out quickly. Which is what i intend to do with the Ta'unar when i get it....that thing is bound to have a plethora of guns.

Yeah, I intend to magnetize the crap out of every suit I purchase once this new book comes out, especially with the design of these new suits FW will be missing out a huge opportunity if they dont release either mods (ala the Riptide) or new weapon systems entirely (like they did for the Hammerhead way back when).

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, I intend to magnetize the crap out of every suit I purchase once this new book comes out, especially with the design of these new suits FW will be missing out a huge opportunity if they dont release either mods (ala the Riptide) or new weapon systems entirely (like they did for the Hammerhead way back when).

Even FW seems to be 100% behind magnetizing now, the Ta'unar evidently has pre-drilled magnet holes and the instructions have what size magnets it takes.

 Tarnag wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, I intend to magnetize the crap out of every suit I purchase once this new book comes out, especially with the design of these new suits FW will be missing out a huge opportunity if they dont release either mods (ala the Riptide) or new weapon systems entirely (like they did for the Hammerhead way back when).

Even FW seems to be 100% behind magnetizing now, the Ta'unar evidently has pre-drilled magnet holes and the instructions have what size magnets it takes.

Is that what the holes are for? I just assumed they were lock and key type sockets rather than flat pads.
Course i immediately thought "wonder if my magnets fit in those holes..." when i saw them on the unarmed model lol

I hope Ghostkeel isn't a HQ choice as well, but if it is - I'm still going to use it, I love the stealth suits so Ghostkeel is an appealing miniature to me as well. So glad it's smaller than the riptide! I don't like the huge suits at all.

@ChillPowderKeg WOW I hate the current crisis suits so much, this one looks soooo much better. PLEASE I HOPE THESE ARE NEW CRISIS SUITS

cheers
Kahnawake

 Vineheart01 wrote:
It is kinda odd now that you mention it. Especially since its fluff mentioned anti-titan gear. Kinda expected its giant missilepods to be swappable to either straight up Heavy Railguns (strD) or something not quite that powerful where it has ~50-50 odds to be StrD or S10.

Betcha anything FW will put out alternate "arm" weapons eventually. Thats one advantage of the position theyre in, its not that hard to magnetize so it can be swapped out quickly. Which is what i intend to do with the Ta'unar when i get it....that thing is bound to have a plethora of guns.

Judging from what they did with the riptide, they'll come out with an independent kit for "their" version of the Stormsurge and not just weapon swaps. It'll significantly modify the model and only use one or two of the sprues but not all and be completely NOT magnetized swappable judging from the two Riptide kits we have. And that is assuming they do anything which isn't likely IMO since they're offering a competing gargantuan robot (that is appropriately close topped!).

i have 12 crisis suits and 3 "broadsides" (face it theyre still crisis suits). Only 3 are assembled properly and painted lol and i only did that because i use them almost every game so i kinda felt obligated. Theyre all ebay rejects, which i got for dirt cheap lol. Think it was like $3 each for most of them. Really wish i took pics of one in particular during the renovation process...cause it was hilariously bad lol. Green paint was so thick i swear to god the idiot painted Liquid Greenstuff on it instead of paint, feet were on backwards (yes that bugs me when the little "toe" is outward not inward), had every single wargear that could possible fit on it even if it normally didnt go there, and the LEGS were backwards! I mean how do you glue their legs on backwards lol. Spent a freakin week on that guy after he sat in some Simple Green for about a month CUTTING that green slop off and grinding out the grooves on his armor. Now hes one of my finished trio and barely looks any worse than the other two lol.

Yaknow..i just realized i never took pics of that trio lol. Theyre missing from my imgur albums entirely. Yay something to do other than sit on my butt waiting to goto work! lol

I hate the crisis suit model. Its so bland and blocky. Ive tried to fix that but im not that great at greenstuff sculpting any further than just patching holes.

If that blurry pic is a new crisis suit model and not just a commander, i'll be seriously tempted to at least get a squad of them to replace the squad i usually bring.

Just got word (friend/eyewitness who works at GW just txtd me) that the Ghostkeel is in fact larger than a broadside and smaller than a riptide.

Take it with a grain of salt if you must.

Sounds good, I'm still hoping it won't be an HQ! Can't wait for the final reveal, will they do it on October 3rd?

cheers
Kahnawake

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Other than the open-topped issues, the Stormsurge seems to be controlled with buttons. That really doesn't seem to make much sense for Battlesuits. I thought the point of them was they are linked to the pilot and become like an extension of the wearer, which is why they can be so mobile and aren't walkers. That sort of control doesn't seem possible with buttons.

Yeah, that's another reason I don't like that detail, because "WASD" is not at all how I imagined piloting a battlesuit worked.

 Kanluwen wrote:

It seems to be open topped.

If you look at all the photos of it, you can look at the Devilfish looking part and see a kind of half-circle on that and the part immediately next to it. In all the shots of it that half-circle is never completed like one would assume any canopy would do.

That's what I was afraid of.

Oh, well. I wasn't exactly hot on the design in the first place, and GW already put me off of it with the $150 price tag.

And in case anyone is wondering, no, a closed cockpit wouldn't have really made much of a difference. It's really more of the cherry on top of a gak sundae.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 bossfearless wrote:
New Fire Warriors are like 3 codices overdue at this point.

Sorry I can't hear your complaining over the Adepta Sororitas kits who are in dire need of a reboot across the board...

Which is, like the Dark Eldar update in 2010, a monumental task that will likely take multiple years and result in a massive release with dozens of kits likely stretched out over months.

Had they decided not to release a new fire warrior kit it wouldn't have helped Sisters come out any faster.

This thread is also about Tau, not Sisters. Not sure what kind of discussion you expected when you started reading it. The fire warrior kit needed replacing, and also, no one was trying to argue that it was more important than the Sisters update that will never happen.

I actually like the current Firewarrior models alot. Theres a reason i have a bunch of them painted lol (40, colorcoded into squads of 10). What i want is access to special weapons, since theyre a Shooty unit that has next to no Shooty options.
Specifically the pathfinder guns. Even if i can only take 1 per squad, i WANT THOSE DAMN GUNS! lol. Ionrifles and Railrifles are awesome but i hate pathfinders due to their cost and squishyness, not to mention the ML part automatically labels them a priority target.

Ive tried to use them as offensive units with the guns, but the guns feel so out of place coupled with Pulse Carbines and the pricetag on that unit is outrageous for how easy theyre removed. Thus ive never actually fielded them because i despise paying for crap i dont use, and in order to use those guns i have to buy the carbines + ML on the other models which will rarely get used to any real effect.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I actually like the current Firewarrior models alot. Theres a reason i have a bunch of them painted lol (40, colorcoded into squads of 10). What i want is access to special weapons, since theyre a Shooty unit that has next to no Shooty options.
Specifically the pathfinder guns. Even if i can only take 1 per squad, i WANT THOSE DAMN GUNS! lol. Ionrifles and Railrifles are awesome but i hate pathfinders due to their cost and squishyness, not to mention the ML part automatically labels them a priority target.

Ive tried to use them as offensive units with the guns, but the guns feel so out of place coupled with Pulse Carbines and the pricetag on that unit is outrageous for how easy theyre removed. Thus ive never actually fielded them because i despise paying for crap i dont use, and in order to use those guns i have to buy the carbines + ML on the other models which will rarely get used to any real effect.

I definitely could see that happening, it seems that Cadre Fireblades are moving to be an upgrade character for the squads, I definitely could see them getting a few other toys as well. Here's hoping, I would love to see Ionrifles on Fire Warriors.

Why do you think the Cadre Fireblade is becomming a upgrade character instead of a HQ? If it is ebcause he's in the Troops slot of the GW website, I doubt it. e's been in the Troops slot on the GW website since he was first released. Just GW error.

I think being able to bring cadre fireblades as an slotless HQ (like commissars or priests for IG) or as a squad upgrade to FW would be amazing. And yes! Either pathfinder weapons in FW squads, or heavy weapon drones and give the squad leader an option to buy a drone controller (or a drone BS upgrade).

The fire warriors are a good design (not a fan of the helmets on the new ones, either), but the kit itself is garbage. Barren sprues, miscast legs always, and the molds have worn out so much that the details are very, very soft.

I just wish they hadn't decided to give them goofier helmets. I'm almost 100% positive the only reason they did so is to shut up the occasional whiner who complained about not being able to tell the difference between a fire warrior and a pathfinder...yet us xenos players are expected to tell which models are tactical Marines, assault Marines, devastator Marines, Vangaurd, Sternguard, etc.

The Cadre is going to a squad upgrade?

Thats both amazing and bad lol.

If its a general upgrade, meaning you can get multiple squads with it, then holy crap thats awesome. If its a unique upgrade like 'Ard Boyz used to be then eww....can no longer swap his unit if its numbers get thin.

Well, I don't think anyone knows if it is going to be a general upgrade or not. Probably not, but it would be nice (with a price drop) if it did.

This is how rumors start, I expect to see BOLS pick up the story by this weekend.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
The Cadre is going to a squad upgrade?

Thats both amazing and bad lol.

If its a general upgrade, meaning you can get multiple squads with it, then holy crap thats awesome. If its a unique upgrade like 'Ard Boyz used to be then eww....can no longer swap his unit if its numbers get thin.

That's not right. People started saying that because they saw the Fireblade in the Troops section of the GW website; but, as people have been saying, it's been there since 2013. What's new is that Drones are there instead of Fast Attack.

So no, I don't believe Fireblade will be a FW upgrade. AFAIK, it'll remain a HQ choice.

 ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
There goes yet another crisis suit Bigfooting it in the background, soaking in all that partial visibility


I WANT TO BELEIVE

Oh god, yes. I'm believing so hard right now.. if there are no new Crisis suits, I'll be way too sad :-(

BoLS rumor on the way now... Lol

Truth be told, even if thats just the new Commander model and there isnt a new normal crisis suit, you can still buy multiple Commanders and just leave off any fancy frilly stuff/marks that signify theyre a boss character.

Though that would be rather pricy rofl since even no-name character HQs are always jacked up on prices since they dont expect you to buy more than a couple of them, so they gotta squeeze more money outta the few you buy.

 Sidstyler wrote:


I just wish they hadn't decided to give them goofier helmets. I'm almost 100% positive the only reason they did so is to shut up the occasional whiner who complained about not being able to tell the difference between a fire warrior and a pathfinder...yet us xenos players are expected to tell which models are tactical Marines, assault Marines, devastator Marines, Vangaurd, Sternguard, etc.

Exactly this. I can never tell the difference between all those marines.

I am very curious about the new FWs but I like the old helmets better. Unfortunately, as you said some legs and details are terrible in the current set!

Cheers,
Kahnawake

PS: My faith in the new crisis suits is growing!