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Will admit, the stormsurge would be quite effective against bugs. And only bugs.

Squadrons of Hammerheads. Thats what I want. Squadrons of Hammerheads.

Zelnik wrote:
Will admit, the stormsurge would be quite effective against bugs. And only bugs.

This....this made me laugh.

I have to admit, when comparing the stormsurge to most other armies (imperial, eldar, crons, demons, etc.) it feels very...underwhelming...not bad per se, just underwhelming.

Then I think of tyranids - yeah....the poor bugs. They would kill for a unit like this....or be killed by it.

Actually, I would prefer formations of Hammerheads. Squadrons are too limiting, save for hit allocation. Formations allow you to split your fire, and you can still reshuffle your tanks to hide a damaged on behind the undamaged ones if you need to.

I'm just looking forward to the badly named water/fire themed formations at this point.

davethepak wrote:

Zelnik wrote:
Will admit, the stormsurge would be quite effective against bugs. And only bugs.

This....this made me laugh.

I have to admit, when comparing the stormsurge to most other armies (imperial, eldar, crons, demons, etc.) it feels very...underwhelming...not bad per se, just underwhelming.

Then I think of tyranids - yeah....the poor bugs. They would kill for a unit like this....or be killed by it.

Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

It will be unlikely you will ever anchor it against a decent player and its weapons are just meh. Even fire at double at B5 it struggles at killing a tactical squad in the open, and gods help you if go against grav.

The stormsuck should have either been large blast 3-4, or apocalyptic barrage 3-4, Str 6 AP 3. Plus, be a dual build kit with either missile storm of doom© with the above profile, or a 72" range rifle that either does heavy 2 Str D AP 1, or large blast Str 8 AP 3. Basically make it a super Broadside. And probably drop the points a bit since you're getting an either/or.

That's what I would have liked for our LoW slot.

I still don't understand why it is open topped, lol. Why would you have an exposed crew compartment on a vehicle destined to have large amounts of firepower directed at it?

Though, even aside from that it's a fairly silly looking model, both in practice and in concept. A multi-crewed skimmer tank would be a far more effective platform for that firepower. And it isn't like the Tau lack that capability in their tech.

But new Fire Warriors and Crisis Suits would be a good thing. Having worked with them, those two are among the worst kits GW offers right now.

Zelnik wrote:
Will admit, the stormsurge would be quite effective against bugs. And only bugs.

Not also against Orks or mirror?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Though, even aside from that it's a fairly silly looking model, both in practice and in concept. A multi-crewed skimmer tank would be a far more effective platform for that firepower. And it isn't like the Tau lack that capability in their tech.

Yes, but this is true of every faction. The benefits of building a giant robot that can fall over, versus a floating weapons platform, is virtually nil. Imperial Knights, Wraithknights, Warlord Titans, all those things would be better off being on treads instead of having legs. To put it in perspective and scale, simply remove the legs from a Warlord Titan and build ginormous treads, and you can just crush the trees (or orks) in front of you. And why put a pilot in the head or the center of a torso? The crew should be in a heavily armored core.

But these things aren't made to make sense... they're made to be giant robots, because giant robots are more cool than practical tanks

Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

Doesn't that just sum up the problems with the game - what was once a big scary unit - a Carnfex now just arrow fodder.

Plus of course the Carnfex does not get the near immunity to posions and shed loads of other special rules the Tau Walker - Sorry its a GCreature get . Its likely better in Clsoe Combat given stomp :( Yeah that makes sense............

The other problem is that to many it seems about right for its points but because its not stupidly broken like the Wraith Kinght - its usless..............

 Mr Morden wrote:

Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

Doesn't that just sum up the problems with the game - what was once a big scary unit - a Carnfex now just arrow fodder.

Plus of course the Carnfex does not get the near immunity to posions and shed loads of other special rules the Tau Walker - Sorry its a GCreature get . Its likely better in Clsoe Combat given stomp :( Yeah that makes sense............

The other problem is that to many it seems about right for its points but because its not stupidly broken like the Wraith Kinght - its usless..............

Ai, I remember how scary MC were in fourth, especially fexes due to their numbers and versatility.
Now...not so much.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

Doesn't that just sum up the problems with the game - what was once a big scary unit - a Carnfex now just arrow fodder.

Plus of course the Carnfex does not get the near immunity to posions and shed loads of other special rules the Tau Walker - Sorry its a GCreature get . Its likely better in Clsoe Combat given stomp :( Yeah that makes sense............

The other problem is that to many it seems about right for its points but because its not stupidly broken like the Wraith Kinght - its usless..............

Ai, I remember how scary MC were in fourth, especially fexes due to their numbers and versatility.
Now...not so much.

The only scary creatures are Walkers pretending to be creatures

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

Doesn't that just sum up the problems with the game - what was once a big scary unit - a Carnfex now just arrow fodder.

Plus of course the Carnfex does not get the near immunity to posions and shed loads of other special rules the Tau Walker - Sorry its a GCreature get . Its likely better in Clsoe Combat given stomp :( Yeah that makes sense............

The other problem is that to many it seems about right for its points but because its not stupidly broken like the Wraith Kinght - its usless..............

Ai, I remember how scary MC were in fourth, especially fexes due to their numbers and versatility.
Now...not so much.

Carnifexes have sucked since 3rd. Even dakkafexes are overrated.

WTF? Stormsurge is 90 GBP ($136.60 in USD conversion) & on US site it is $150! Really GW? Really?

Is there a way to order from GB and have it sent to USA?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
WTF? Stormsurge is 90 GBP ($136.60 in USD conversion) & on US site it is $150! Really GW? Really?

Is there a way to order from GB and have it sent to USA?

no but i do it for aus people sometimes. and it saves them quite a bit. postage is like 10 pounds though

14 dollar difference prolly not worth the shipping + possible import taxes.

118 USD when converted from PLN but the shipping costs would be large and as MoD_Legion mentioned, import costs are plausible.

cheers
Kahnawake

.... I like it.

I would have hoped that GW would have done fair pricing across the board.

They want 90 gbp then from that calculate out other countries price.

Fair is fair.

It's €120, or €121,something-something if going from 90 quid, so not everybody is getting ripped off here.

MoD_Legion wrote:
14 dollar difference prolly not worth the shipping + possible import taxes.

We have 10% tax on that $150 tag too....

Depending on your local sales tax, true.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

It will be unlikely you will ever anchor it against a decent player and its weapons are just meh. Even fire at double at B5 it struggles at killing a tactical squad in the open, and gods help you if go against grav.

Carnifexes don't have Interceptor, Skyfire or a 4++ which is almost a guaranteed add on the Stormsurge.

Multiple S10AP1 blasts are not going to struggle against Tac squads or even Grav Cents. It has a Skyfire D weapon that you can combo with Ignore Cover, it has 60" range missiles that hit at AP1, it has Stomp and a 12" move, it's got tons of S5 in a single unit that will economise Markerlights... this is good. It will handle FMC, drop armies, Gladius MSU, Decurion, hordes, whatever. At 400-ish points each with upgrades, you are getting close to 2x Stormsurges for the price of a super tuna + bubblewrap or even a maxed-out FSC. That's a very respectable comparison.

I think a lot of the hate is due to players who wanted an ultra-durable castling gunline centrepiece, instead they got a door-kicker with a shotgun. A curveball Tau list with 2 Stormsurges could win LVO, and Tau players would probably still hate it due to T6/3+ and the anchoring mechanic. It all seems a little irrational.

Yoyoyo wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

It will be unlikely you will ever anchor it against a decent player and its weapons are just meh. Even fire at double at B5 it struggles at killing a tactical squad in the open, and gods help you if go against grav.

Carnifexes don't have Interceptor, Skyfire or a 4++ which is almost a guaranteed add on the Stormsurge.

Multiple S10AP1 blasts are not going to struggle against Tac squads or even Grav Cents. It has a Skyfire D weapon that you can combo with Ignore Cover, it has 60" range missiles that hit at AP1, it has Stomp and a 12" move, it's got tons of S5 in a single unit that will economise Markerlights... this is good. It will handle FMC, drop armies, Gladius MSU, Decurion, hordes, whatever. At 400-ish points each with upgrades, you are getting close to 2x Stormsurges for the price of a super tuna + bubblewrap or even a maxed-out FSC. That's a very respectable comparison.

I think a lot of the hate is due to players who wanted an ultra-durable castling gunline centrepiece, instead they got a door-kicker with a shotgun. A curveball Tau list with 2 Stormsurges could win LVO, and Tau players would probably still hate it due to T6/3+ and the anchoring mechanic. It all seems a little irrational.

First, blast weapons can't hit flyers or FMCs/ FGMCs. Even if they have skyfire they can't. Besides, the D is at 10", not a real game-changer, except against something like an assaulting knight (and if the knight survives, the suit is beyond dead because of the knights CC abilities and weapons). And those big scary missiles, are actually just 4 seeker missiles without the ability to to fire ignoring cover+LOS for s single marker. Not anything new at all. In fact, they are worse than seekers.

Also, we have no ideas what the support system retriciton in the codex will be, or even what will be removed. It will probably have a sheild generator available (judging from the pics), but probably the same as a riptide (5++), so it's not a big deal).

Now, I'm not one of the crowd who things this thing is weak, it seems very balanced to me, neither weak nor strong, I just find it underwhelming in what it does. We seriously don't need more anti-horde.

So any blurry, non-english language pics of the Codex yet?

Just realized the Ghostkeel is on a typical MC oval base. Drat, was hoping since its smaller than a Riptide it would be on a Large base.

Thats potentially a LOT of oval bases being fielded lol.

The oval bases get in the way more often than i'd like to admit. That might deter me from fielding more than a single squad of ghostkeels lol

Pathfinders and BattleForce are not available at this time. I wonder why

Reboxing with the new decals maybe?
Or just reboxing in general (or did Pathfinders already have the current 'grey style' box?)

Probably reboxing.